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May 8, 2020 at 8:46 am #72054
By Sandy . . . A democracy works as it should only when the people trust their elected officials. Trust is not a given; it is earned, and the key to e
[See the full post at: Who Can We Believe?]
May 8, 2020 at 10:15 am #72060
An inconvenient reality I think it’s important to point out is that one of the seven offenders released committed another sex offense within a week of being released. I point this out not to say the Orange County DA was right by any means. But there are enough screaming ideologues running around thumping their scripture and ignoring inconsistencies. The cause of ending up with sex offender legislation that makes sense and ACTUALLY prevents sex offenses and re-offenses is too fragile an issue for us to play that game too. If we want to educate people about sex offenders in the real world (and I am one), then we need to unequivocally live in the real world ourselves. It’s an uphill battle, and “everyone else” has the easy job, being able to simply ask, “well what about how one of those seven people reoffended less than a week later?” You can’t respond to that with dogma, or simply saying the same thing again. Personally, I think NARSOL would do well not only to take ownership of the fight to reform sex offender laws, but to at least try to take ownership of the offenses and the offenders themselves. I don’t have the answer for how to do it, but on a personal level, I have earned the trust of many friends and neighbors by making it clear that I live in the real world, and that I live with what I have done–along with firmly believing the way we have written the laws is grossly hypocritical to how we as a society like to think of ourselves. I think an organization can do that on an organization level.
May 8, 2020 at 12:39 pm #72068
Tom, I appreciate what you are saying. Yes, one of the seven has been re-arrested on a public obscenity charge, as is appropriate. I do think that anyone reading the history of that specific person would be hard-pressed not to feel that there must be some mental health issues that are not being addressed, but that is not the point. He was in jail for a supervision violation; he was released; he committed another sexual offense; he was re-arrested. That is the way the system is supposed to work.
I’m not sure what you mean by our needing to “take ownership” of offenders and their offenses. If you mean acknowledge that those who are convicted — with the obvious exception of those who are actually innocent — did commit crimes and that some will, upon release, continue to commit crimes, we fully acknowledge that. There is nothing in the registry system that will prevent that. Our mission is that everyone receive fair and just treatment pre-conviction, with the presumption of innocence maintained, and that everyone receive fair and just treatment post-conviction, with the opportunities for law-abiding community re-integration not hampered by discriminatory and ineffective laws and policies. And for the few who either cannot or will not alter their behavior, that the process starts all over again.
May 8, 2020 at 1:01 pm #72072
T & S
I think I know this story, most of them, were charged with failure to charge their GPS trackers!!!!
Oh my god!!!
Isn’t that a death penalty offense in California, failure to charge your cell phone?
May 8, 2020 at 2:27 pm #72079
T & S
Yes! Found it!
7 “high risk”
James: failing to charge GPS monitor
Rudy: failing to charge GPS monitor
Calvin: failing to charge GPS monitor
Kyle: failing to charge GPS
Jose: failing to charge GPS
Mario: failing to report to charge GPS monitor
Orange County District Attorney Toff Spitzer said in a statement. “They are doing everything they can to avoid detection by the parole officers assigned to monitor them so they can potentially commit additional sex offenses. These are not the kind of people who should be getting a break.
The true answer is, class action lawsuit against OC and Toff for millions dollars each victim for slander & defamation of character. When the tax payers start having to pay off for such bull, then they will grow very tired of this.
OC / LA didn’t care about beating black people until 3.8 million dollars for Rodney King. Then it stopped or at least slowed down.
May 8, 2020 at 3:31 pm #72089
I have to apologize in advance this article angered me so much
This so-called attorney who is supposed to fight for and defend truth and justice, depend on misinformation and lies. As much as I hate and I’m ashamed to admit that I am a registered sex offender but I also educated myself on sex offender laws and also learning as much as I can about registry laws and recidivism, they call many of us disgusting when this man as a DA’s knowledge on the subject is what is truly disgusting. He says I as a registered sex offender is more likely to reoffend, My offence occurred more then 8 years ago, I’ve never reoffended and never will. I made a mistake and I’ve paid for that mistake. I truly hope this DA is sued for the lies and slander he is spreading, not to mention his attempt to cause a public panic based on those lies
May 8, 2020 at 3:36 pm #72090
This is one of those kinds of stories I can only speak for Myself: I am an SVP. I was given that designation because of My History of repeated Sexual Offenses over the span of several years, with both Adult Women and Children. I have; and continue to, accept Full Responsibility for those crimes. It is unfortunate that I have committed them, yet, I have completed each and every Incarceration-but one-successfully. When I say ‘Incarceration’ I also mean Parole or Probation as well. I Violated My Parole, Once. So I was re-arrested, and subsequently convicted yet again. Now, have I used Force or a Weapon in All of My crimes? Again, only Once. It was for a Burglary I’d committed when I was still a teenager, and I punched the Homeowner. Did I deserve the sentence I’d gotten from my last conviction? Yes! Should I have been convicted for Life? More than likely-inasmuch as I hate to say it again-Yes. Today, at 62 Years Of Age, I’m on ‘Special Probation’. Meaning if I mess up even Once in My Supervision Contract, they can commit me back to prison For The Rest Of My Life! I have reviewed the entire course of My Life, and found I’ve wasted a great deal of it, in seeking what we call in Treatment:’ The Problem Of Immediate Gratification’. The P.I.G. Today, the result of the entire cumulation of My History of Offenses, prompted the Assistant District Attorney from my last conviction, to seek my being given the Title of SVP. That I deserved Being Given That, I hesitate to say, was appropriate inasmuch as I hate to Admit it. how, it was given me, is Problematic. Here’s Why: As I currently understand it here in Pennsylvania; One is supposed to be given such a Title when convicted and sentenced, not almost a year later! That is what happened to Me. Furthermore; because of the timing of it all, I now live with Lifetime Registration and Quarterly Reporting Requirements. Mine, was the kind of Life, that would support what Many Politicians call for. Yet, what they fail to see is that now, My Life is centered around fully committing to The Goal of NEVER Reoffending Ever Again! What they fail, or desire to see, is how someone like Me is living today! So often, such people only see what One’s Past was like. So they will base their Opinions and Presumptions ON Someone’s Past. Not their Present. That I believe, is what drives such people to say what they do, and persuade as many in the General Populace, as they can despite Established Proven and Overwhelming Evidence to the contrary…with regard to other Offenders who HAVE NOT, Reoffended as I have. My Conclusion is this: The Laws as they are written Today, are meant to be an Overwhelming Dragnet on ALL of Us Registered Citizens, because to compartmentalize Us into Categories and have Differing Laws for each Category, would be even more Expensive than The Registry’s Current Operation. They know this. Also; the propensity to keep Prison Beds filled for the sake of raking in Dollars, is another reason such people desire to see Us treated as we are. ‘Let The Virus Kill Them All Off’. Is what they Not-So-Secretly are saying. Yet, The hypocrisy of The Laws often-and does indeed-come into play when THEY-Judges, D.A.’s, A.D.A.’s, and Some Politicians themselves, are Convicted of the same Types of Crimes as We Are! So then, I have a Theory as to why this is so. It is one shared by many of not only Us, but also by most People not connected in any way whatsoever, to Politics or anything connected even remotely, to it. People with money, can do just about anything and get away with it. Oh you’ll say: ‘Well, R-Kelly didn’t get away with it . Neither did Harvey Weinstein’. They aren’t Politicians. They’re people in the Professional Entertainment Industry. There are others that did and have I’m sorry to say. We know of some of them. Many Victims of Sexual Crime, will gladly take a huge payoff, instead of a Conviction. Oh, there are exceptions. Everyone knows about Bill Cosby. So overall, it comes down to this well known quote from a Famous Book: ‘THE LOVE OF MONEY, is The Root of Evil!’
And we know Politicians Love That.
May 8, 2020 at 3:50 pm #72094
Thank you Sandy. I appreciate the time you take to write and respond to so much misinformation . To me you are such an inspiration. As the commercial for the census says “don’t just talk about it ,be about it. Thank you from a member who belongs but doesn’t participate. You’ve inspired me to do at least one thing in the next week to be a little more proactive. You are a true hero.
May 8, 2020 at 7:13 pm #72126
I emailed the reporter and the Kern County district attorney’s office with the following:
Contrary to the public statements of Joseph Kinzel, Kern County assistant district attorney, according to official federal government figures, sex offenders have a very low rate of recidivism – the lowest rates of any ex-criminal.
According to the National Criminal Justice Reference Service Office of Justice Programs – A United States Federal Publication
Although, sex offenders are more likely than other offenders to commit a sexual crime (obviously), research that has compared the recidivism rates of sex offenders with those of non-sex offenders has consistently found that sex offenders have lower overall recidivism rates than non-sex offenders. The sexual recidivism rates of sex offenders range from about 3 percent after 3 years to approximately 24 percent after 15 years. This is much lower than the recidivism rates of any other type of criminal.
Another finding was that although sex offender’s have a much lower rate of recidivism than any other former criminal, they are much more likely to recidivate by committing a non-sexual crime rather than committing a new sexual crime.
Here is a direct quote:”…Research indicates that sex offenders, regardless of their type of sex offense, have higher rates of general recidivism than sexual recidivism. The magnitude of the difference suggests that sex offenders are far more likely to reoffend for a non-sexual crime than a sexual crime, so policies designed to increase public safety should also be concerned with the likelihood of sex offenders reoffending with crimes other than sexual offenses. Research that has compared the recidivism rates of sex offenders with those of non-sex offenders has consistently found that sex offenders have lower overall recidivism rates than non-sex offenders; however, child molesters, rapists, and sex offenders overall are far more likely than non-sex offenders to reoffend with a sexual [(DUHH??)] crime. The sexual recidivism rates of sex offenders range from about 3 percent after 3 years to approximately 24 percent after 15 years. The highest recidivism rates have been found among child molesters who offend against boys. Comparatively lower recidivism rates have been found for rapists, child molesters who victimize girls, and incest offenders. Female sex offenders have lower rates of recidivism than male sex offenders. Policy implications are drawn for each of the main research findings.”
PS: (There are numerous government and university studies as well as credible national news sources that will confirm these facts.)
May 8, 2020 at 9:49 pm #72131
Excellent article, Sandy. Thanks again!
May 8, 2020 at 9:54 pm #72132
I had originally included the link to the US Government publication in this post. It has a .gov top-domain address (so anyone can tell immediately that it is an official US Federal publication).
But I can see that it was redacted. This is Narsol’s policy.
Personally, I think that this is an unfortunate policy because it hinders the dissemination of information to other members. On the other hand, I can see why this policy would be adopted. But I think that the pros outweigh the cons.
But, that’s just one member’s opinion.
May 8, 2020 at 9:56 pm #72135
JJJJ, there is a link to that report in my piece. It is the second hyperlink in the piece, the first one in paragraph 5.
May 9, 2020 at 6:48 am #72144
Also, please remember, this troubled soul, has a wife who is a JUDGE!
even, more pressure to push!
May 9, 2020 at 6:50 am #72137
I stand corrected.
By the way, thank you for all that you do!
Where would we be without all of you who put conscience and integrity and devotion to the principles of liberty and justice “for all” above everything else.
It would be easy and convenient for you and so many others (like Janice Belucci) to simply get on with your private lives and do nothing.
Again…Thank you so much, Sandy!!
May 9, 2020 at 7:17 am #72151
Sandy, once again, (and I find my self saying that a lot) THANK. YOU.
JJJJ, THANK. YOU.
And if there are anyone else within this forum anonymously helping our cause as these two are, THANK. YOU., as well.
I will be visiting my local sheriffs office this coming Tuesday.
I plan on educating my deputy detective on the local sexual crimes that have occurred since the pandemic started.
He will see with his own eyes, from a known “sex offender”, that these crimes were NOT perpetrated by me, a “known sex offender”.
One story, I also included, is about a little girl in our area, who went missing for a while.
She was later found hiding in an abandoned house in her neighborhood.
…And she was fine.
No one…including me…sexually assaulted her.
To anyone who would say, “S.O.C., that’s only a detective you’re talking to!”
To them I would say, “Yes. It is.
But, he will see reality.
Not just “statistic numbers” in a report he might have read somewhere.”
Also, “this detective has contacts. Men and women who enforce this law all the way to those who write this law.
He will have concrete evidence in his own memory.
The time that a “sex offender”…proved … that he wasnt..a sex offender.
He will know that, in the event that he reads the statements this D.A. is speaking, or anyone else for that matter, are in fact, wrong.”
And lastly, I would say this,
“At least I’m trying.
I’m trying to stop this law on behalf of everyone here and not just myself.
May 9, 2020 at 9:56 am #72154
What a great article Sandy. I wish it could be available for others to read., Not only those who belong to this organization. Perhaps the California Governor himself should be sent a copy of the letter. If these types of responses are not circulated somehow to the general public , the myths will continue and beliefs will not change.
May 9, 2020 at 9:58 am #72157
Owing to his rather strident protestations (and, the DA doth protest too much, me thinks), human nature and experience indicates there is little doubt that Todd Spritzer is clamoring mightily to deflect attention from what, at least his conscience seems to know, is clearly guilt over his own sexual misdoings. Whether he is secretly amassing child pornography, has molested young children in the past, or even been victim himself, it seems painfully evident that he is lashing out at those publicly identified with his own brand of perversion lest he himself be found out. I think it’s time to investigate Mr. Spitzer. If he belongs in jail for offenses against children, hopefully he will remain there the rest of his life, being as such deviants cannot be rehabilitated (by which I mean, those who spew vitriol at others for crimes of which they themselves are guilty).
May 9, 2020 at 11:23 am #72169
This purposeful misleading public statement goes beyond just slander, but could be insightful for those already committing acts of violence, discrimination, and acts toward those on the registry.
May 9, 2020 at 12:39 pm #72182
Knife, fork, bottle, cork
What this wackadoodle politician leaves out of his diatribe is that all these scary men had 6-month sentences and would be released by law anyway in 6 months.
May 9, 2020 at 4:20 pm #72184
As a mother I am extremely worried about the corona virus in the US prisons. How many of our sons, fathers, brothers will have to die before any changes will be made to our outdated US prison system? How many of them, even if they survive, after spending years in an environment based on punishment rather than education and improvement, will reenter the “real World” a better person? A sex offender released from prison will not only be on the register for years to come, his where about is matter of public information. Do I want a sex offender residing in my neighborhood? Do I need to be concerned about the safety of my children? What about our property values? These are valid questions of the public. On the other hand, how can an ex sex or criminal offender ever become a member of our society? Will he/she be able to find a job? His record follows him no matter where he/she goes.
Thank you for allowing me to voice my opinion. This is the first time I ever heard about NARSOL. How did you get my name and email address?
May 9, 2020 at 4:23 pm #72188
Tim in WI
This Mr. Spitzer would not be the only DA lawyer type named Spitzer who’s been caught up in sex scandal. There is no cure for self promoting politically connected elitist lawyer types. They should all be treated to a good dose of humility.
May 9, 2020 at 4:36 pm #72193
Claudia, the only way you would have received this is if your email address had been entered into the “subscribe” function in the right-hand sidebar of this website. If you did not enter it yourself, a friend or relative or someone who felt you might benefit from getting our emails must have done it. Welcome to NARSOL; we hope you will explore the website and become even more involved with us.
May 10, 2020 at 6:06 am #72196
I was horrified to read, above, that one of them re-offended. I assumed that meant that perhaps a child had been abused. But instead, he exposed himself in the parole office. Allegedly. Which is illegal, but not what the public imagines when they see the headline about him. Are we really going to accept that seven people should be punished over one person’s re-offense?
I accept Tom’s larger point, though. When we start to get someone interested in reforming or abolishing the registry, they also want to know what they’re supposed to to protect society from those few that ARE dangerous.
May 10, 2020 at 6:08 am #72194
I reached out to Josh Campbell who is the CNN contributor that did a story on this.
I wrote to let him know that the “dangerous” offenders were serving time for failure to charge their GPS monitoring devices. I also explained how hard it is for some people to charge them if they’re homeless without access to a place where they can connect themselves to an outlet for several hours. And let’s not get started on how they malfunction!
I did suggest that he reach out to NARSOL as a source for facts whenever he has a story involving a sex offense. There is too much uncontested misinformation out there that is being used by society & the legal system to target people who aren’t any more of a risk to reoffend than many other formerly convicted people.
Thanks for being the voice of reason & fighting for the truth to be heard.
May 10, 2020 at 8:07 am #72210
@ Jacob: The same way we protect ourselves from those who are dangerous in other areas of criminal activities.
Personalized restrictions. Increased supervision and monitoring. Enhanced penalties and conditions. Lengthier prison terms if all else fails. And, for some, all else will fail. Just as it does for those in all areas of criminal activity.
But when Tom robs a bank at gunpoint for the second time, having served a sentence for the first time, Tom is given a longer sentence. Everyone who has ever committed a robbery is not put on a publicly distributed list and forced to stay 1000 feet from banks, stores, gas stations, and any other place that could possibly be robbed.
May 10, 2020 at 1:23 pm #72212
The Criminalized Man
This guy is showing he’s just like Ron Book and similar “victim advocate” types who spend their spare time watching “Law and Order: SVU” reruns all day. They get off on it, and it warps their minds to want to harm RSO’s in real life. This TV show needs to be banned from broadcast, and it should be a felony to possess video recordings of it.
NB, I’m not for censorship of ANY kind, and by writing the above I hold my nose and stoop to the level of these chowderheads. I hope it helps at least one of them think about what they believe, and ask themselves why.
May 10, 2020 at 7:12 pm #72218
This D.A.’s remarks were intentionally misleading and incendiary if you ask me. This man knows exactly what he was doing and what he was saying. He’s a disgusting hate-monger who, like a child, is squinting his eyes shut and plugging his ears with his fingers.
May 14, 2020 at 10:31 pm #72409
I still think it’s sad how the system declairs sex offenders as mentally disabled but the principal goal has always been to throw them in prison and lose the key. If it’s a mental issue like they say it is, wouldn’t the more humane and logical thing be to give a offender 5 years in a psychological institution over 5 years imprisonment? I’m just saying from personal experience, prison never did me any favors. It harmed more than it helped. It strips away the last shreds of dignity and humanity a guy has having to fight people just to survive another day all the while listening to the heckling and bs from day to day. God willing, you’d have a good support system when you get out after a decade because starting over is far from easy. I say I got lucky because I had absolutely no social skills what-so-ever when I got out and I was stuck having to make do in a state where I was a non-resident on a lengthy parole. I got a job and made things work. Now I don’t worry so much anymore. I just feel bad for those who are labeled wrong and misunderstood. God help them.