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June 8, 2020 at 9:39 am #73252
By George Hunter . . . Michigan lawmakers are debating how to overhaul the state’s sex offender registry after a federal appeals court ruled sections
[See the full post at: What’s next for the Michigan SOR?]
June 8, 2020 at 12:50 pm #73256
Tim in WI
IS THERE ANYWAY TO GO?
Given the the U.S. Supreme court’s acknowledgement that Congress used an ex post facto law to interject a new duty and their civil designation was based upon the court’s natural deference to stated congressional intent, thus ” only the clearest proof [in the record] would suffice to overcome what Congress has reasonably deemed a legitimate government exercises to protect the most vulnerable.
In other words despite Congresses’ opted for the use of ex post text “was in prison for……a codified crime. ” We must afford the benefit of the doubt to congressional intent ”
Congressional intent reflect normally ” the people’s” intent and today the clearest proof of the traditional aims of punishment: (i) Affirmative restraint, (ii) Retribution
are readily observable. However observable decreases in the other traditional aim (iii) deterrent via the database machine use (The registry and broadcast) cannot be scientifically proven by measurement of efficacy, predictably because recidivism rates are tied to what state’s do ( convict) and not what offenders do ( behave criminally). Do registries point to or identity specific behavior of individual offenders? NO! While registry may categorize, in somewhat ambiguous terms, the profiles point to codified law the registrants have broken. Therefore the court erred in its conclusion that an effect of criminal behavioral deterrent could potentially fruit from the regime. The minority pointed to the regimes’ use based on ” wholly dissimilar crimes” as proof along with “outpaced excessive demands for information” as a mere revisiting of past crimes NOT the preventing new ones. The minority was implicating pure retribution as motive for the life time indenture of man to government database machine property maintenance.
Even if the State of Michigan reverts to their original version of the Wetterling Act the underlying cause will not withstand the intermediate scrutiny applied to it in the context of ex post balance. The benefit of doubt no longer holds. What has always been true, congresses like the people are perfectly capable of acting or behaving unconstitutionally, our founders knew it and prepared for that human inevitability. The proof found in part in Art.1 sec.9-10.
That the Rehnquist lead court failed to acknowledge its right duty, the prohibition as absolute restraint upon Congress per certain text uses, and in promulgating law and database wholesale to settled claims and completely without formal process to contest the plain indenture, in favor of canonizing the benevolent role of database in the culture of American government and the culture whole, notwithstanding basic logic test nor, historical precedent under the 13th.
Slavery itself always had it’s fans! Some fought to the death to defend it.
Recently the 8th Circuit COA paid claim the notion that “moral terpitude” was evidenced by FTR infraction, justifying deportation of a man. The value of the database has indeed risen to epic godly status, but it is none the less simultaneously, golden calf for some and a golden goose for others.
And this too, will be a fight to the death!
June 14, 2020 at 8:04 pm #73471
This isn’t over by a long shot in Michigan. Those State legislators just might come up with some kind of: ‘Last-Second-Back-Door-Corruption Deal’-that will satisfy The High Court. No doubt there’ll also be some Political Impetus thrown in too, because after all, that’s how things work in the real scheme of things.
June 16, 2020 at 8:02 pm #73515
I am so tired of all this so called legal BS. I watched the two Judicial SOR hearings. If the panel put in any more energy they would have fallen asleep.
God help us all!
June 24, 2020 at 5:46 am #73766
It was a fun little dog and pony show, but in the end, it’s just so much circus sideshow.
July 6, 2020 at 6:34 am #74148
Im sure the founding for fathers of our Country would have created Regulatory Schemes if they were legal for felons, which they did not. Theres a reason why the Amendments of Our Constitution are listed, and numbered logically in order starting with the 1st Amendment. The freedom to choose to speak or not to speak. Registration requires one to speak. If you want to exercise your guaranteed protected right, and choose to not speak you are criminalized for failure to register. In the whole Scheme of registration people generally get some form of favor or permission by doing so like driving, fishing, hunting ect not to say one cannot do any of those actions while on private owned land. The registration Scheme over time basically has created a second sub class of Citizens who do not get the same rights as others even after serving their time. Sex Offenders do not get anything in return for registration, and is the fist time laws been created with the attempt to take away Guaranteed Constitutional Protected Rights in the States interest to protect the public. They are forced into servitude in multiple various ways changing from State to State. If a State ever had a duty to protect the public it comes at the time of trial, and sentencing and not after the effect taking away rights on the whim. See PEOPLE v. TOOLATE | 115 Ill. App.3d 13 (1983) where the State wanted to convict for rape where a rape never had happened. This is the leading case that originally started with California, and Illinois changing Rape Laws into SEX OFFENDER laws, and classifying Rape charges into lower charges since Rape needed specific aggravating factors to pass as Rape. Cant be called a rapist or classified as a rapist if you dont have a conviction for rape correct? Think again…. This is why The Sex Offender label was created and equally applied to all persons given a label as a Sex Offender when there is no real law labeled as Sex Offender because according to Supreme Court Ruling in TOOLATE that man could not be convicted for Rape since theres no evidence to support it. Hence why we have Various degrees of sex offender laws today. The legislators are now trying to lump sum everyone in the same boat to bypass/ circumvent the Courts ruling by creating Sex Offenders and Labeling them all Rapist by placing them all onto the same registry based off child molestation even tho in some cases never had anything to do with children.
Im just giving a more accurate detail of whats happened over time since the 80s since Ive researched this in depth, and have kept an eye on this, and this is the information they dont want anyone to know about because it discloses and shows their intent and vindictiveness as they create a class and take away rights with the intent to punish/shame and control people in the name of public safety..
July 24, 2020 at 6:31 am #74643
The sex offender registry is not working. It has not worked for a very long time. Though I do agree that there are some people that are repeat offenders period. The majority are just trying to get on with their life and move forward. When I was originally convicted I was sentenced to be on the registry for 25 years. That law changed and when they made it retroactive I put everybody on there for life. But what a lot of people don’t know is that the state of Michigan send people back to prison after being paroled and told that it was a glitch in the system to the public. I’ll never forget it was the week my grandfather went to the hospital for a heart attack. We were rounded up and sent back to prison and they rescinded our parole. When it all came down to it they told us it was because we didn’t take a class before we got released. I was originally convicted 3 years to 15 years. To be on the registry for 25 years. After the law changed and I got released after taking this so-called class… They restarted our parole and they told us that they were changing the guidelines. We were told if we didn’t sign the paper it could affect our parole…. I say that to say this… our system is very flawed. If someone commits a crime, they are tried by a jury sentenced and convicted period. Once they do their designated time improve it they are no longer going to commit a crime.. they should all be given the opportunity for a second chance. Unfortunately the world that we live in, people want to judge one another without knowing somebody’s story. This not only hinders people from moving forward in their life but also makes it difficult to get a job or to get into a decent relationship. The bottom line is they need to get rid of the registry! Or if they’re not going to consider that, they need to put everybody back at their original sentencing. 25 years sounds a lot better than life don’t you think?! What if that was your kid that was on the registry? For life! Think about that word for a minute. And then think about how our state change the law and made it retroactive for everyone even after the fact they were already serving their time. Everyone deserves a second chance to have a better life. You can’t undo the past but you can make a better future. We are all human… We all have skeletons in their closet. Just a lot of people haven’t been caught. Sorry for the lengthy message but I really had to get that off my chest. Thank you for your time.
August 1, 2020 at 12:13 pm #74934
A great reset is coming, and I, for one, welcome it.
August 13, 2020 at 6:59 am #75192
Does anyone know how to get more information on what is happening in Michigan? I tried the ACLU site but could not find it.
August 13, 2020 at 1:24 pm #75208
<8/13/2020> The fight for justice in Michigan is all but forgotten, and nothing has changed.
August 13, 2020 at 2:10 pm #75210
That is not true. Mi ACLU is watching and prepared to challenge any bad bills that come out in response to Does v Snyder. Judge Cleland has made clear instructions on how the legislature must proceed. Just a couple months ago he stopped the enforcement of the registry statewide, until the COVID19 restrictions are lifted. Things move slow in government, especially now, just because you hadn’t heard anything for a couple months, doesn’t mean it’s all forgotten.
August 20, 2020 at 8:11 am #75374
Well I guess my fake news is coming true …
Fed’s are trying to slip more bullshit against Us by Removing ex post facto defense In this new change to sorna .
Or maybe I didn’t read this correctly?
If I didn’t Read this correctly, maybe you can clear it up ?
August 29, 2020 at 11:21 pm #75899
“Just a couple months ago he stopped the enforcement of the registry statewide, until the COVID19 restrictions are lifted”
So I still have to register WHY? -Nothing- has changed. Forced to register in 2008 btw.
September 1, 2020 at 3:40 pm #76099
Does anyone know what’s going on?! Haven’t registered since March
Tried in June and was turned away by MSP. They said I was to receive a notice of my future obligations. I never received anything. Does anyone know what the deal is with pre 2011’s?
September 14, 2020 at 7:41 am #76502
Fred, do you have any idea what is going on with the class action here in MI since the new ruling in the 6th Circuit? Interested in hearing your thoughts and how it could or will change the route in which we were headed.