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The MI SOR: From non-public tool for LE to public, punitive, ineffective monstrosity in 20 years

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    By Dawn Wolfe . . . The ACLU and activists seeking changes to Michigan’s 40,000-person sex offender registry may have a new ally: new state Democratic
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    Bill

    Wow! It’s finally happening…We have an advocate Attorney General instead of an enemy Attorney General. You know what was cool about this is we had a full conservative court that decided this at the 6th circuit and then who some see as liberal we get an attorney general that wants to do things rationally. This is awesome, and thanks so much Dawn Wolfe for the article. I know we are not done yet, but many thanks go out to the ACLU of Michigan, the University of Michigan law school, and NARSOL for all their hard work. I am a paying member for both the ACLU and NARSOL.

    I am one of those ex post facto cases that is over 25 years old.

    Bill

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    Bobby

    I listened to todays Oral Arguments, and it was a bit confusing and sounded more like they continuing to kick the can down the road. Why the ACLU is still negotiating with the legislature is ridiculous, we won game over, even our own AG, says it’s punishment and unconstitutional, but yet that was not even mentioned in todays Oral Arguments. It’s time they stop procrastinating and FIX THE DAMN REGISTRY ALREADY. I was convicted in 6-19-1992, I was placed on it for 25 years, and then for life in 2011, then the 6th Circuit rules it punitive and unconstitutional, and yet I am still on it and it will be 27 years on 6-19-2019. I hate to say it but by the time they actually make the necessary changes I will be dead.

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      aurelius

      I’m willing to bet that’s part of the plan, play it out for as long as possible, if you haven’t noticed by now, justice doesn’t matter, only law and bureaucratic stalling.

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        Timothy

        @aurilus,
        Smack hard against the federal surveillance saints. Plain and simple. To now impede on state level by default impinge upon fed “use of a database to assist law enforcement.” AND the big data agendas over ran established STATE SOVEREIGNTY in determining its own statutes in fiat ways AND the congressional use of ” was in prison for X crime ” when creating statutes.
        American liberty died some the day that OMNIBUS was signed.

        A man voted NAY! “Unfathomable” he said. I would link to the vote in each house HR 5533(94),’& Senate version. Few voted no. Real Americans ALL. Take my word for it, not the politically popular nor profitable choice. But the big data vendors licked their chops & so did the lawyers. They’d convinced ” the people” the USES of the infrastructure electronic would be without pitfalls concerning Democracy & Liberty. Infact, the first indenture, man to machine had began. The upkeep plain property “maintenance”. In fact electronic poll tabulation is insane! It too closely resembles electronic financial transactions to RESPECT “of the people RE:PUBLICA”. When opting to post bad behavior ONLINE Congress by collateral made a leadership example to follow. IT’S OK TO POST the unlawful online. And so the people followed. They made it a hate issue and won.

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    Dr.

    Just went in and paid the extortion,
    Still waiting while I turn 63…..

  • #53194 Reply
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    Loyd

    There are a couple of issues when it comes to the SOR law, especially in MI where I live: 1) is the impingement of registering 4 times per year in prison under threat of imprisonment, that they created a supervisory tool that hinges on the presence of the registrant identically to parole/probation. There isn’t any need for this because parole/probation exists, can be extended and can even be instituted for life under certain circumstances; 2) loss of privacy and deliberate mass publication and advertising of past crimes that affect the registrant AND THEIR FAMILIES (when a registrant loses his privacy, so does his spouse and children), and this makes it nearly impossible attain even a minimum standard of quality of life; 3) the weight (what is required and prohibited and who is responsible to acquire it) and threat of the registration (threat of imprisonment) is so great that it does not commensurate with the crime (many repeat offenders have life sentences where life sentences are far outside the standard of sentencing guidelines); 4) The SOR act in its administration and through the extension of the states going beyond simple database creation of information and inducting themselves into life-long supervision of free persons having past convictions of sex offenses AND unwarranted life-long public punishments, prohibitions and escalations of hardships for registrants that all of this undermines the judicial process of adjudicating criminal matters and circumstances and applying the necessary sentencing that is appropriate for the crime. The database may have been needed for the FEDs during a time when online information was burgeoning, but all of the information they make burdonsome onto registrants is already easily acquired by law enforcement at their fingertips. The SOR act and laws around it, are unnecessary in light of today’s technology–despite whether or not they are a useful tool to law enforcement. And the current application of the registry laws are nothing more than legislation exercising their power to be heroes too: “Look, I can show that I’m hard on crime too by adding more punishment on free persons even after they’ve served their time.”

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    Bill

    Sounds like there is still alot going on here with trying to finish this fixing the registration process. We currently have a federal class action suit that I am a part of; which started last June. We have the attorney general helping on the state front to fix the registry. Finally we have the original court case from Judge Cleveland I believe where he asked us and the legislature to work out the fixes. Something that may not have been mentioned so far is judge Cleveland summary last January…he enjoined the the ex post facto people and the 5 Does together. If this does not meet his expectations and the legislature continues to slow walk us; then he will let the judgement stand and the state of Michigan will have no choice. Let me know if I’m off on any of this.

    Bill

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