Sticks, stones break bones, but names destroy

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    • #17635 Reply
      Sandy Rozek
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      By Steve Yoder . . . In May, the AP Stylebook changed its guidelines for how reporters should refer to people with substance abuse problems. “Avoid wo
      [See the full post at: Sticks, stones break bones, but names destroy]

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      Chris

      I hope Steve Yoder reads this page. I’m a big fan, and I would tell him so on Twitter if I was allowed on social media. Big time respect to true journalists who report facts (as they were taught in journalism school) and do not go for the splashy headline. I especially appreciate that he is willing to call out other journalists and editors.

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      Steven Yoder

      Thanks for that Chris, appreciate it. -SY

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      Bill

      I was involved in the largest sexual offender treatment program in the U.S. back in 1991. Predator was only used for a small group of offenders that equated to about 1% of the sexual offender population.

      • #17684 Reply
        Sandy Rozek
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        Bill, I imagine that was an actual designation using specific criteria. Some states, such as Florida, divide those who are convicted of sexual crimes into two categories: sexual offenders and sexual predators. This post deals with the tendency of media to use the term ‘predators’ as a synonym for anyone on the registry.

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          W.C.

          At one time “sexual predator” was applied to that small 1 to 3% of sex offenders who abducted, raped, and murdered children previously unknown to them. It was the Jacob Wetterling sort of offender.
          Now it’s a term used across the board because “predator” brings up frightening imagery and plays on people’s fears. The sad thing is that even when facts backed by evidence are submitted to the contrary, the masses still choose to hang on to the hate.

          Basically, people need to get honest and say it’s not that we’re afraid of you. It’s that you molested or raped an innocent child (or woman) and we’ll never forgive or forget what you’ve done. We hate your guts and want you and your kind exterminated from society. We don’t care about your so-called rights. You have no rights in our eyes; not even the right to keep breathing after you committed your crimes. This is even the sentiment of legislators and judges because they all are parents, grandparents, etc.

          Some court rulings are giving me hope that judges are starting to be more objective in their rulings as in the 6th Circuit’s ruling against Michigan or the SCOTUS ruling in Packingham v. North Carolina, or J.I. v. State of New Jersey Parole Board. Of course it could be that the laws have gotten so out of proportion that the judges’ hands are tied and can no longer ignore the punitive intent behind these laws without revealing their own bias for the whole world to see.

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            Maestro

            Gotta love those people who say things like: “Send all sex offenders and LGBT off to an island somewhere”

            As if they don’t comprehend that people are born every day who may grow up to be the kinds of people they hate. Send us off out of society isn’t going to stop the future from happening. They tend to forget that we were all once those precious, innocent children once, too. LMAO
            I hate people.

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            Maestro

            I wish it was possible to edit a comment after it’s posted. I can’t stand typos.

            My sentence should have read;

            “…who may grow up to be the KINDS of people they hate.” That’s what I get for typing on my phone with its auto spell.

          • #17826 Reply
            Robin Vander Wall
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            I made the change in your original post, Maestro. You should have 7 minutes of editing time for each reply. Let me know if you get a chance to test that out.

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      DW

      Grateful for your voice of reason Mr. Yoder, and for your journalistic integrity. Great article.

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      TL

      Chris, didn’t a recent SCOTUS decision find it unconstitutional to prohibit registrants from using social media?

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        Sandy Rozek
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        I have no idea of Chris’s legal status, AND my legal knowledge is very limited, but I believe that the ruling you refer to is only applicable to those who are no longer under any sort of supervision.

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          Chris

          Yup… I live in NC, where the Packingham challenge originated. But I still have a little over two years of post-release supervision (parole) and as Sandy pointed out the ruling only applies to those no longer under supervision. I asked P&P how the decision affected us and they said that they would still consider social media access to be a parole violation. I ain’t trying to test the limits of their generosity, so I abstain. For now.

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      david

      Of course the Media uses terms like “predator” to describe ANY sex related offense. If it bleeds it leads. I responded to a Craigslist ad in a “bait and switch” sting and it was called “Man Arrested In Child Sex Trafficking Ring”. The many articles that followed the sting all used language like “child sex predator”, etc. to describe me.

      Often more misinformation is used to back up the sensationalized story. In my case it was reported as “shocking” the hundreds of responses these “ads posted by children'” received. Actually the ad was posted in the gay casual encounters section of Craigslist by someone (a cop no doubt) who originally claimed to be eighteen. Hardly shocking at all it received lots of attention.

      If the public knew the truth would they support the millions of federal dollars being spent on sex stings? Some still would, sure, but i bet many people would change their minds if these types of “bait and switch” stings were accurately portrayed by the Media.

      Misinformation helps support the story that’s being told to the public that we must live in fear- and only Big Brother can protect us. So if the Govt needs to strip some rights away to “protect the children” who dares object?

      In the not-too-distant future, when Big Brother is watching our every move, will our children be grateful we cashed in their rights for the illusion of protection?

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        Maestro

        There should be a way to file a lawsuit against the cops that make fake profiles on Craigslist and dating sites and apps so that they can be held accountable for entrapment due to the FACT that they claim to be 18 in their profile age listing and then when you finally get involved in conversation, that’s when they hit you with “I’m really only 14”.

        There should be defense attorneys able to find a way to file a claim against the law enforcement agencies because they are hardly enforcing any laws by LYING that they are legal age and by posting that they are legal age, that’s what gets us to reply to their posts.
        So what I’m saying here is that a GOOD attorney can fight the shit out of this and make the claim that you are actually NOT a “child predator” and that these stings are nothing but pats on the back for agents that otherwise have no crime to go investigate.

        Something has got to be done. There must be a way.
        These law enforcement agents are the true predators.
        Now they’re on every dating app (phone app) that’s available. They claim being 18-20 and I’ve actually called a few of them out because the photos posted were so obviously young females. I’d write and say: “Hey, officer, catch any big fish today?” And within a few minutes the profile is gone. But they emerge again with a new profile and different photos.
        This shit has got to stop. No. Seriously. Our society is so hooked on sex but only in negative ways.

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          Kendal

          There is a way to deal with this situation…. as soon as they say they are 14 STOP TALKING TO THEM. If they are really 14, then they shouldn’t be on there, and you shouldn’t be talking to them. If possible report them to the app. If it is a cop, a few times of having to redo the ad or profile because they keep getting blocked, then maybe they will learn.

          Let’s face it, if you (and I don’t mean you personally) go to someone’s house that has said they are 14, then you deserve what you get, and you (again not you personally) are part of the reason that sex offender’s have such a bad name. There is no good excuse to be at that house. And if they didn’t say they were 14 until you got there, well you know where the door is.

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            david

            Thanks Maestro. The thing is there never was an underage person involved so they didn’t really break the 18+ rule. And if the crime happened only in the imagination, then did my doubts about the person really being under 18 (and not just lying for some reason) cancel out any thoughts i had they might actually be under 18? And how can they be so sure what would have happened with a real underage person?

            My attorney advised me to settle- that going to a jury trial would be dangerous. Most likely he was correct but who knows- he’s from the area and maybe didn’t want to rock the boat. Sometimes i wonder what would have happened if i could have explained myself clearly to a jury of my peers or an unbiased judge. It’s not that i’m “innocent”- i’m not, and i made a poor choice and don’t think it was the proper thing to do or that what i did should be legal. Just don’t label me as a “child sex predator”.

            I’ve second guessed and re-played everything so many times now. One guy got eleven years so i feel lucky (relatively speaking) to have gotten jail and probation. This PD continues to do stings in my area. Must be dozens of guys arrested. Sometimes i wonder if a class action lawsuit is ever a possibility…

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            Kendal

            I hope you are not thinking that I am picking on you, or are unfeeling towards your circumstances. I don’t even know what you’re circumstances are.

            I did have a friend that was talking to this guy online. The guy had said many times he was 18, they were developing an interest in each other, that had even webcammed many times. My friend decided to go meet this guy, and see what was there. When he arrived at the airport, he wasn’t greeted by this guy, he was greeted by the FBI, informed that this other guy was only 16, and that he was being charged with, I think it was crossing state lines for the purposes of having underage sex, or however they stated it.

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            Maestro

            If the person told him numerous times that he’s 18 then that right there should be proof enough of 2 things;

            1) Your friend had no intentions of trying to get with an underage person and
            2) That was entrapment. Period.

            But in our “oh so great and wonderful country” attorneys will turn their heads and simply tell you that there’s “no defense against a sex case” which is pure utter bullshit. It’s just that no one wants to be bothered fighting sex cases. Especially the ones which I’m talking about where the cops are MANUFACTURING criminals out of people who initially had no criminal intent.
            What’s the point of having legal representation be it paid attorney or public pretender if there’s apparently no defense against a sex charge?

            Something has GOT to be done about this. Laws are never etched in stone for all of eternity. They get changed. But nothing is going to change if the people who CAN fight for change just simply sit on their asses.

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            Maestro

            “There is a way to deal with this situation…. as soon as they say they are 14 STOP TALKING TO THEM”

            No kidding, really?
            How about the point of my comment which was, to sum it up; The cops are CREATING crimes with people who most likely had no intention of committing a crime in the first place. (And most all have no prior criminal record which is the part I love the most about the majority of the public buying into the registry scheme).

            And I actually like calling them out when I see their fake profiles. It’s quite fun.

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            Kendal

            Well, to sum it up this way….

            If the moment that person says they are 14, you run away quickly, then the police have no crime to investigate. The cry of entrapment never comes from the person who didn’t do anything to be entrapped by.

            As far as you calling them out, good for you. I do kind of a similar thing, in that when I am talking to someone that then suddenly tells me they are underage, I report them to the app, then block them.

            And I definitely did not say that they cops were right in doing this. I also think it is a despicable practice done in the name of catching them there perverts (sound of a spittoon) but again, if the conversation is stopped the moment the age is mentioned, then the cops have nothing to go on.

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          Jonny everyman

          This lawyer took to catch a predator to court and won

          To Catch A Predator’ Sex Stings Net Mixed Results

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      Lori

      This is a legal answer posted on our OK Voices website by an attorney who specializes in sex crime related cases.

      Legal Q&A:

      Is it entrapment:

      As an analogy to a drug case, if I tell someone that I will sell the marijuana without them asking me for it and they in fact buy the marijuana, they have not been entrapped. However, if I asked them to go across the street and buy marijuana for me and bring it back, and when they returned, I arrested them for possession or unlawful delivery, they have been entrapped. The question is whether or not the person is predisposed to commit the crime.
      The law does not require there to be a real person, merely that the defendant believed that he was making a proposal to a real person. In many of these instances someone posts an ad on Craig’s list, or Tulsa back pages, or some other website, and the defendant makes contact with them. During the conversation, it is revealed that the “person” is under the age of 16. In most of the cases I have seen there has been a question of whether or not that makes the difference. (The response to which is often quite damning.) Then the defendant continues the conversation and many times actually travels to the location where the person who has disclosed they are a juvenile is supposed to be to met them for sexual activity. Each of these separate actions is an action taken by the individual, not induced by the government. Therefore, it is not entrapment.

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        Maestro

        I get that, but my point about this topic was that these undercover cops are FIRST posing as LEGAL AGE people on these sites. THEN they will say they are actually under age during conventions.
        For the conversation to even have occurred, the “actor” had to initially be under the impression that the “poster” of the profile ad was actually a legal aged person.
        In my opinion, and I’m sure the opinion of an attorney who realizes that enough is enough, that IS entrapment as the “actor” was intending to, or thinking he was contacting, a legal aged “poster”.

        In brief; These cops are CREATING criminals.

        Even if the “actor” would not chase after underage persons in his daily life, (much like many of us wouldn’t do drugs BUT if we’re at a party and it’s all around us, we MIGHT indulge) we are ALL guilty of making stupid decisions AFTER the fact (of finding out the person is underage for example, or getting high at a party but not going there with the intent to do so). But the courts and the cops treat these situations as if the original INTENT was to go online dating to find underage people and that is NOT what’s happening most times.

        If they want to catch actual child “predators”, they need to stop going on sites where you can’t post your age lower than 18 and just go into random chat rooms and just say “Hey, I’m 14/15, anyone wanna chat?” And THEN they’ll actually get the guys that are truly looking for that kind of thing.

        For the record, my case was NOT an online sting. I just have a very bad feeling toward such stings because they’re all done with complete dishonesty from the agents who are supposed to be honest people. Period.

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          Chris

          The sad truth, my friend, is that the cops can legally tell you anything they want to get an arrest, and they do. I have first-hand experience with such. The detective who “interviewed” me tried several times to bait me into an admission of crimes that never happened, insinuating that my victim made those claims… even though I was honest and forthcoming nearly from the beginning about what I had done. My step-brother is a detective in another town, and he has confirmed that they are allowed to make false statements to suspects in order to secure a confession. My step-mom almost disowned him for that one.

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      Tom Cruz

      Can anything be done about these polygraph tests that the probation makes you take, and pay 200$ for them? These people that test you really love to humiliate those of us that have to take them.

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        Maestro

        I’d like someone to challenge the reasons for polygraphs being ONLY for a sexual offense. I swear, the idea of public safety doesn’t include the guy with the semi automatic going into a gas station and killing or threatening to kill the employee for the cash drawer. Our “justice” system and the entire legal system in this country is a joke.

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          Tom Cruz

          In Texas Polygraphs are not permitted in the courtroom, and if even there’s a mention that one has taken a poly it is not tolerated. If this is the case why are we subject to these self criminating devices? Something has to be done about this. Its bad enough that we have to take whatever small paying job we are given because of this offense, but these people are taking money that we don’t have. Here’s the thing, If we can’t pay we are in danger of incarceration. All these laws were made to be failed so these idiots could lock us up. But yet murderers whom have killed families, mothers, fathers, sons, daughters are getting slapped on the hand and walking free without being subject to what we are subject to. This is an outrage! Im good enough to pay taxes, yet I’m treated worse than leper in the bible.

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