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April 15, 2019 at 4:57 pm #54513
By Dwayne Daughtry . . . When it comes to sex offender restrictions, some legislatures have taken unusual steps to either ban registrants entirely fro
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April 16, 2019 at 8:00 am #54516
It is my understanding that Facebook reversed their discriminatory policy 2 years ago for SO’s.
April 16, 2019 at 8:11 am #54532
No, Facebook has not reversed its policy. The Packingham case in NC, taken all the way to the Supreme Court, resulted in a finding that it was unconstitutional for state registry requirements to exclude those on the registry from access to social and other online media platforms, but Facebook is a privately owned company. It sets its own policies, and so far it is continuing its policy of discrimination and removing the accounts of registrants whenever it identifies them.
NARSOL sent a letter to the CEO of Facebook after the Packingham decision — https://narsol.org/2017/06/narsol-calls-on-zuckerberg-facebook-to-change-policy/ —
and earlier this year Jason, one of NARSOL’s original authors, wrote this: https://narsol.org/2019/03/facebook-unfriended-me/
April 16, 2019 at 8:00 am #54517
Robin initially brought this bill to my attention a month or so ago. I wrote 2 different emails on 2 seperate instances to all 50 or so senators to urge the legislators to use reason and actual fact and not “common sense” or the feels right mentality. I also attempted phone contact,but was largely unsuccessful. I too noticed the age of 16 in this bill versus the definition of sex crimes with minors under current nc law which references those under 18 years old. Very, very confusing.
The IP address requirement in this bill is one of the more outlandish things I have ever seen. If this actually makes it into law, I am going to enjoy going to the sheriff’s office with a wheel barrel of IP addresses. Between all the free wi fi places across our county and vpn networks I should have no problem providing about 100,000 IP addresses. If I really wanted to I could probably push 1,000,000. Could you imagine having to log 1 million IP addresses?
April 17, 2019 at 7:34 am #54558
It dawned on me the ban doesnt just encompass facebook, instagram, and snapchat in part 5 below, but covers sites like eharmony and any other adult dating site that bans rc`s punishable as a class H felony . I find it ironic they make it a crime to those with underage convictions from many adult dating sites…
(5) To use a commercial social networking Web site in violation of a policy
posted in a manner reasonably likely to come to the attention of users,
prohibiting convicted sex offenders from using the site.
(e) Punishment. – A violation of this section is a Class H felony. (was class I, but was increased to and H in the second revision)
Lastly, I wanted to point out the jurisdiction part below. Seems to me it doesnt matter what state you are in to NC, they can still come after you. I am willing to bet it doesnt even matter if you were in direct contact with someone underage in NC for any reason because sites like facebook disseminate your info 24/7 all over the world and that could be considered transmitting.
Jurisdiction. – The offense is committed in the State for purposes of determining jurisdiction, if the transmission that constitutes the offense either originates in the State or is received in the State.
April 25, 2019 at 6:48 am #54869
The rationale behind restricting registered citizens with offenses involving minors from adult dating sites is the fear that a registrant MIGHT use these sites to find single parents of young children of the gender and age they’re attracted to just so they can get in close and begin the grooming process and claim another victim.
Marsh v. Alabama would be a good Supreme Court Ruling with which to take on Facebook over its arbitrary banning of registered citizens.
This case deals with the issue of when a private entity is of such public importance that they have to honor the 1st Amendment and not discriminate.
I can’t find it just now, but there is a case (I think at the Supreme Court) against Nat’l Public Radio for censoring conservative viewpoints and the SCOTUS ruling being cited is Marsh v. Alabama.
April 23, 2019 at 8:05 pm #54802
Thank you for writing the senators. One never knows who might read it and change their mind. It may even just be a clerk, but it all counts as that is how it spreads. .
April 25, 2019 at 10:05 pm #54908
Thank Robin for spearheading the initiative. Without him, I would not have known about the bill or who to contact.
April 17, 2019 at 7:32 pm #54571
This legislation illustrates that politicians are not elected for being smart or rational on crime and public safety. If it weren’t so tragic, ineffective and contrary to public interest, it would be funny. On the “upside”, the legislation is an effective full employment program for the lawyers who will be needed to litigate this constitutional minefield.
April 19, 2019 at 10:43 am #54633
How in the hell can anyone provide a dynamic ip that changes on an hourly basis? Every SO in the county shows up twice every 7 days with stacks of paper? For the less-savvy, who from the sheriff’s dept is going to offer tech support and training?
What is the house companion bill? Surely this won’t pass intact. Does law enforcement even know about this? There is no way they can even handle the ramifications.
April 19, 2019 at 3:37 pm #54643
Passing unconstitutional laws without receiving undesirable consequences is the only problem I see here. If undesirable consequences were experienced even 1/2 of the magnitude of the pain and suffering these laws inflict, there would be no registry. We must find a way for the law makers, and their constituents to regret their decision to trample on the constitutional rights of others, and do so without breaking laws in the process. In short we have to follow the rules they do not. Tell me who is the criminal here?
April 23, 2019 at 8:27 am #54775
Needlessly target RSO’. Its interesting that you used the jepordy form of a question. While NARSOL is a type of a leader in this sexc offender plight to seek liberty and value to those caught up iin a lot of this social media hysteria we all should appreciate what we have and yes help others in all this plight.
While social meadia is good for business and pleasure it can also be used as a tool to cause one to stumble .Now nobody likes to foam at the mouth and stumble on things much less lie to ensnare others. I wonder if lying is constutitional or unconstitutional today. Social media has good benefits when one uses it right. It seems law enforcment go a bit too far in all this and with these bills and these bicurious endeavors it is a bit to much.
I see lovecraft says he’s been writing letters to senators and such. Most letters don’t even get read by the president and all he wants is money to build a wall or a contrubition for whatever.
I myself can’t see the “justice” in a lot of this sex ordeal. In many ways don’t we offend all.
April 25, 2019 at 3:41 pm #54888
Have any of you guys stopped to consider that this horrendous bill is designed to be North Carolina’s spiteful revenge for Packingham’s victory in the Supreme Court? Has anyone considered this bill is insidiously designed to make registrants too scared to use their newly ascribed 1st Amendment rights? They’re going about obtaining the same results of banishing registrants in their state from social media.
April 28, 2019 at 9:43 am #55027
When I was a young boy, I asked my dad why communism was so bad when they were trying to do the things my friends said they wanted. He replied that communism, socialism, fascism all had one thing in common, the government forced people to choose loyalty to government dictates over loyalty to family, friends, and neighbors. He went in to illustrate Nazis reporting of Jews, children reporting parents, macarthyism, etc. Well, North Carolina is doing the same. Comply with the government and join the bandwagon, or suffer the consequences. History repeats.
April 29, 2019 at 9:14 pm #55080
A lot of frustrated comments here, but I was asking serious questions that need an answer. Does anyone have any insight?
May 1, 2019 at 9:18 pm #55185
Ok people, let’s be very clear on this one. This law is nothing more than Josh Stein following the same path that former NC AG and current governor Roy Cooper did. Cooper thought up and pushed the original law struck down in Packingham. He did it with his eyes set on the governor’s office. He crowed about it during the primaries but by the time the November election rolled around, the case had made its way up to SCOTUS. I’m sure his advisors recommended he avoid mentioning a law, which he proposed and pushed, that everyone knew was unconstitutional.
Now Stein is the NC AG and he can see the runway lights on the governor’s mansion lawn. All he has to do is get this absurd law passed and he can taxi down the front walk in Raleigh like Cooper did.
This is political gamesmanship, nothing else. Stein doesn’t give a rats ass about children. They are pawns just like us. We need to stand up and fight this law and call it out for the garbage that it is. NC registered citizens, write your representatives. Push back. Don’t take it up the ass like we have for so long.
May 8, 2019 at 12:47 am #55396
After much lobbying with attempts to provide a visible and passionate voice of reason, this bill passed without one dissenting vote to move to the NC House.
Some lessons learned is that this bill is pushed by the NC Sheriffs Association and the NC Family Policy Council. In addition to the lobbying efforts by the opposition, there has been speculation bipartisanship will be maintained because of the upcoming 2020 election. Anyone showing a weak voting record will certainly be held accountable later. This is politics as usual.
A positive step I should share is that representatives both house and senate have invited me to sit down with them to discuss my story and how the registry has affected me, family, career, and my future outlook. This is good news because it is an open door towards listening by lawmakers. Registry legislation is tough work and a hard sell to change minds and perhaps votes. However, it is a rare moment to meet lawmakers face to face and painstakingly educate them on how the registry affects the bigger picture. When a senator takes a look at me, they don’t see an upset or angered person. They see a professional, with educational credentials, smiling, sharing history and bringing solutions – not problems.
This is why I have chosen to become more visible at our state legislature to engage elected officials in a respectful dialog. Sure, it sounds diplomatic, a bit soft, and assiduously slow. But that is the game of politics. Until registrant organizations can begin the journey to include family, friends, civil rights organizations, and mesh/adjoin to national brands, it will continue to be a crawls-pace. There is no blame assessment. It is how politics has worked for everyone involved in that part of the game.
The likelihood of this bill becoming law remains above average. But we still have work to be done. I learned this evening that Arizona’s bill to allow petition relief died in his legislative chambers. Sure, this sounds like awful news to many registrants. However, these are stumbling blocks of opportunity to regroup and review lessons learned about what positive outcomes occurred? It is those positive little things that keep the doors of opportunity open and dialog continuing. Eventually, something good will happen from all of this.
May 9, 2019 at 5:00 pm #55443
The NC Sheriff’s Association wants this. They surely understand how DHCP works, right? They want this, because they want a logistical nightmare of every RSO in the county showing up multiple times a week with stacks of paper? What specifics do you know, if any, of how they plan to execute this provision?
I gave up hope of social media long ago. Just another way to detox from Fake News and pictures of everybody’s pizza from last night that has zero value to me
May 10, 2019 at 7:08 am #55458
There are no provisions or specifics in the bill to explain, educate, fund, or document how the IP address is obtained both registrant and sheriff office. You are correct to assess some poor county deputy having to enter IP addresses one by one will undoubtedly create a backlog somewhere. But I honestly think there will be a complimentary bill to remedy that issue by adding a sex offender registry fee for those in North Carolina. The sex offender $90 annual fee bill died last session, but I am counting that such a bill reintroduced would be a measure to help pay for additional deputy resources without having a tax increase.
Sex offender legislation has become so easy to pass. I am beginning to refer to it as “fish barrel legislation.” The MeToo movement, allegations, and sex crimes regardless of the value are just too toxic to have a civil discussion with politicians. In fact, some lawmakers may think IP actually means something with regards to urination?
May 14, 2019 at 1:42 pm #55613
Was the bill for the $90 registration fee going to be retroactive for all?
May 10, 2019 at 1:55 pm #55477
Do you anticipate weekly trips to the Sheriff’s Dept, or do you think there will be a “reality” provision that ultimately creates a feasible workaround? Sheriffs and Probation/Parole long ago knew the “300 foot rule” was not feasible from an enforcement standpoint, and so, if they knew you were across the 4 lane highway from a school, eating at a restaurant, they didn’t care.
May 11, 2019 at 8:58 am #55521
To be quite candid I think the law is useless. If a registrant presented IP addresses daily, weekly, monthly or yearly it wouldn’t matter? IP addresses aren’t permanently assigned. Therefore, I would encourage anyone subject to the law to take a photo of the IP address and hold on to it. This law intends to scare registrants from the internet in general. Under current NC law deputies are not allowed to search a device or enter a property without a warrant. Therefore, I do not foresee how this proposed law could be reasonably enforced? But this is North Carolina we are talking about. Anything is possible?
As for the reality will significantly depend on the county sheriff leadership to how they wish to pursue the spirit of the law methodology?
May 11, 2019 at 8:45 pm #55553
Yeah, that’s kind of what I was assuming, another “letter of the law” hand-wringer that really ends up confounding the sheriff’s dept as much as the registrants. I once heard an ADA in the courtroom foyer having a conversation with someone else about the 300 foot rule, and the fact that in Cumberland County, it effectively meant that a registrant could not drive anywhere in the county without violating it. Obviously, it was/is an absurd law, with no feasible enforcement mechanism, so yes, a useless provision.
I don’t want to drag thioff-topic, but with your pulse on our issues in NC government, do you have any Intel on the GPS case currently in front of the Supreme Court? GA’s court struck theirs down. Surely to god NC isn’t going let georgia look more judicially progressive than we are.
May 15, 2019 at 5:27 am #55645
ONLINE SEX STING
This is yet more proof that online stings are run by the very perverts they want to believe that they are “protecting” kids from…these sicko cops pretend to be children to entrap men into asking for sex. Here is a recent sting operation that the police in Florida are so proud of.
NOTE that NOT a single registered sex offender was caught…however, one of the very policemen that participated in these stings deceiving others and trapping them was himself caught! Think he will end up registering as a sex offender…neither do I BUT the point is that these sort of entrapments do not nab registered sex offenders…you know…they ones that the government claims need to be watched and every move monitored.
Polk’s Sheriff Grady Judd says he got one of his own guys (more will certainly follow). Perhaps he should watch his men instead of so called registered sex offenders. Of course part of his job is to create more “sex offenders” to add to Florida’s inflated registry. Well done…keep it up and soon all your men will be locked up…problem solved.
During his latest crackdown, dubbed “Operation No Tricks, No Treats,” his deputies arrested Sgt. Luis Diaz, a 17-year veteran of the force. During that time, Diaz had taken part in undercover operations just like the one he was nabbed in. Sounds like rather a moron if you ask me.