“Sex offenders’ prison deaths often are ‘choreographed’ “

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    Used with permission By Chandra Bozelko and Ryan Lo . . . Many people aren’t buying the official “suicide” story from the Manhattan Correctional Compl
    [See the full post at: “Sex offenders’ prison deaths often are ‘choreographed’ “]

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    David

    What angers me, actually really angers me, is that the law enforcement gave him special priveleges for years that you or I could never have got, because he had money. All of those officers involved in that should be fired, charged with complicity and obstruction of justice, and put into prison themselves as examples to all law enforcement. Oh…..my bad……what was I thinking……..people in the law enforcement and justice system are super good people who only make ‘honest mistakes’.
    Last time I checked, all people in the enforcement and justice system put their pants on the same way we do-one leg at a time, and because they are the ones entrusted by the people to do proper justice, they should be held doubly accountable for their criminal actions hands down because they hold a position of civil authority!!! Criminals arresting, judging, and incarcerating criminals. Welcome the American justice system.

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      William Gratchic

      In 2008, Alex Acosta was informed by the CIA, that Epstein was an “asset” to them and MASAD and was to give him an easy plea deal. This was wrong and the fact that Obama and the media hamstrung any real followup to this only shows how corrupt and hypocritical our two tiered judicial system is.

      Even now, the Epstein “suicide” is riddled with inconsistencies. The guards purportedly asleep and others that allegedly falsified the records should have been charged as well as having been fired. No video record is also inconsistent with safeguarding many inmate. When I worked as an RN in corrections, a high profile inmate would have been removed to another cell. Being a prior suicide risk, he would have kept in direct eyesight in the most proximal cell and maintenance would have been called in to fix the camera asap.

      His cellmate, who was transferred out the day before, was said to have expressed that any reporting by him of what he knew would have resulted in his death. The fact that the “Daily Post” was able to get a photo as he was boarded into an ambulance is very suspicious. Why did they have a photoshopped picture of Ghislaine Maxwell eating at an L.A. “In and Out” fast food restaurant published and not verified. It was determined to be a fraud two days later.
      All of these variables lead many to believe this was a staged affair so as to get him out under witness protection since he was an asset.

      In any event, his treatment is unlike others accused of sex crimes. As an inmate, the offender is a marked person with no empathy from staff, for sure. The disdain for these folks continues to intensify and unless something dramatic occurs to reverse the way the public is being conditioned by the media and politicians, reversal of this situation appears grim.

      Without apology.

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    Donna

    Why is it not a mandate or law that people convicted of these crimes be put in a safer prison where more of the same people are incarcerated. There is no excuse for any murder in prison for any reason. And don’t tell me the gang members haven’t egaged in similar crimes but never caught. I think we all know better. So sad, it needs not to happen at all.

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      Crash

      Donna

      There is no law or mandate for such people to be in a safe facility of their own that houses mostly people with the same/similar charges because the will of most American citizens is that they do go to those places where they are tortured, sexually violated, and killed. If not, die through negligence by officers, nurses, and doctors of heart disease, stress, infection, etc. Most of everything that gets built or done in America(like courtrooms, restaurants, theme parks, tv shows etc) is by the will of the people.

      There are many treatment centers for those with alcohol/drug addiction and “mental illnesses,” or “mental disorders” that are easy going, have real food, good air conditioning etc. The types of places most Americans would not want these men to go to. Regardless of what they were charged with. They want them in the misery. It is their will. They enjoy it. As per the comments that can be seen under YouTube videos or under articles online. But of course such comments wouldn’t be said in regards to attractive white or hispanic women, in which there were cases where girls and boys were victimized from ages that range from 12-16. Some cases, the girl or boy was victimized more than once and some with pictures involved.

      Americans embrace their demomic justice system and the bad aspects of it such as baiting and entrapment by law enforcement, suicides in or out of jails, and mostly the physical assaults, sexual assaults, and killings in the jails only in regards to men who were in the system for sexual(certainly not physical like burning them or breaking their jaw or taking their lives and they certainly don’t think of women who were victimized) crimes toward minors. Though many of them would, in their pretense, speak negatively and passionately about “young, black men” getting “set up” by law enforcement through drugs that are planted, whether or not crimes were committed by them or black men that are wrongfully convicted. They would discuss these things with friends or family or make comments online. Then there’s those politicians and lawmakers who speak publicly about such matters. What is there to discuss? It’s all some huge darkness that no one should fall into. The same darkness that they embrace when it comes to SOs. An abomimation, the likes of the American justice system simply cannot pick and choose between who it destroys or devours. There is no need for strangers to be put in the same rooms. That is deliberate. So is the fact that all sorts of people are pooled together in those big places. So is the fact that the air is dirty and that the places are disease ridden. Look how American society deals with juveniles, even the ones that get caught up with sexual charges. A man who was part of some youth advocacy organization spoke in favor of a 14 or 15 year old boy who had severely, sexually victimized a girl that was 7, 8, or 9(around those ages) and thought his punishment was too much. The punishment had already been light as compared to what those 18 and over would get(even if what was done had not been much in comparison, like a man just having a couple of images).

      Those on the news seemed so bewildered as to the fact that Epstein died while on suicide watch. As if 1: Suicide watch were a real thing to begin with and 2: Such men aren’t already killed off by the numbers by such a system and some of them taking pleasure in that.

      Also there doesn’t have to be a “conspiracy” as he could have simply been killed for what he was in trouble for.

      His death was ruled a suicide but many believe he was killed. If he committed suicide or was killed on suicide watch I wouldn’t be surprised. Nor should anyone be really. From the horrors I have seen while in some “medical” unit during a horrific case I have no words to describe what kinds of people most of them officers, nurses, and quacks(psychiatrists) are. The unit was for those who had injuries or trouble walking, as well as those who were deemed suicidal or were on observation after being cleared of suicide watch. There was an elderly, female psychiatrist who gave me this twisted, possessed look on her face, three seperate times she walked by in the unit. Like a hag creature from some legend. I had been placed in that unit after my arrest as opposed to the actual unit I was supposed to be place in. Which was some floor above. The medical unit was at the bottom. I must have spent a week in that unit or so. Mostly confused and depressed in my misery. Even cried to myself, as doom hung over my head for 32 charges that were maliciously and unlawfully thrown onto me.

      At some point the “doctor” caught on to the fact that I was trying to stay down there for some more time during a conversation and moments after, her face changed right before my eyes. By changed, I mean real deal, possessed-looking. Like something out of a movie. Her face changed as she stared at me hard, like she was gonna eat me, then she quickly walked away. I was sitting on some mat, naked in a ridiculous and unhygienic green suit the whole time by the way. She then returned and walked across the unit. Upon doing that she immediately turned her head towards me, probably 5 ft away from me and got the same eerie, twisted look on face as she moved toward a room where certain inmates were housed. I was on a mat in the “dayroom” and not closed behind a door. As she walked toward whichever room she was going to, she had held her hideous gaze at me for a good couple of seconds. Altogether she did that 3 times and the 2nd or 3rd time I must have called out to her, saying “Doc…doc,” to speak to her. She still looked intently at me, while looking possessed(don’t know about anyone here but I believe she was and I certainly believe such things), said nothing and walked by quickly. She had been adamant about me going “upstairs” to one of the actual units I was supposed to go to, after the realization that I was trying to stay, and I was sent up hours later. It was surreal. There are no words that could describe what I seen on that lady. Just that it was pure evil and like something out of a horror movie. Like Devil’s Advocate. I had actually called out to her as if she were some caring and understanding creature. Probably fooled children, teens, and adults out in the commmunity at a practice or in a psychiatric hospital. Maybe a drug/alcohol treatment center. There was an officer around that time in that unit that told an inmate something like “I will slap you silly!”(silly as in really hard) The inmate hadn’t said or done anything wrong and that officer would act as if he was dealing with sickly dogs or some other animals. The evil look on his face and the words that came out of his mouth. Worse than animals actually. He would literally walk into the unit ready to devour as were some other officers.

      I also remember encountering an officer in that same medical unit over a year later. He was this bad, terrible, horrible, and imposing person from what I had observed in how he carried himself to other inmates and the horrendous comments he made to other officers about inmates. This time, I was in a cell and behind a door, near where I had sat before when I had the encounters with that quack. So the dayroom was somewhat of a circle. At one point I took like one step out of the cell I was in to speak to the female nurse about my medication(since I had recently returned to jail from a treatment center). The officer “activates” and quickly turned around, looked at me, had this twisted look on his face and said “Get back in there!” while he moved towards me a little like he was going to attack me and stood in front of me. He and the nurse were a couple of feet away from me and after I stepped out the cell he moved quickly, to where he stood directly in front of me. Right after saying that he uttered “pervert” under his breath then had this blank look on his face as if he were finding more things to lash out at me with or something lost it’s grip on him. Though he said nothing. He was one of the officers who would stand next to the nurse as she passed out meds out of some drawer thing on wheels. He had kept pretending that he would talk to the nurse or doctor for me and have them speak to me and had me wating yet never did. Nor was the possessed man ever going to. So when I stepped out I wanted to call out and say I needed to speak to her. I didn’t find her attractive either.

      He had pretended to be friendly and thoughtful to a couple of inmates, some day before that, by cleaning an inmate’s(the inmate wasn’t there) cell before he had been placed there. He didn’t want the inmate to go into a dirty cell. Unbelievable? Believe it.

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    Saddles

    You know there is nothing worse than a woman scorn, well there is nothing worse than a man being taking advanage of also. While those woman are coming forth in the wake of the Epstein ordeal, one would have to say any type of death is tragic. Even with the death of Epstein all this opens up a sort of chapter about power people in high places and how these women were manipulated and used.While death is bad enough who has the death sentense in these internet sex games induced by government.

    While this dateline series on TV is challanging for these women to talk about and this grooming and other uncanny bits of torture to these unsuspecting teens, were attracted by this influence and other fast talking factors. Yes call it all grooming all the way for these teens but it is heart breaking to say the least and shameful

    Put in prospective isn’t the sex offender registry internet ordeals just like a grooming experience but actually who does it protect in these callous ordeals. Can one prevent by one inducing something bad? Yes death is bad enough but with these internet sting operations and influences of this type of underhanded grooming who is pick-pocketing who’s pocket. Yes much if not all of it should be abolished. One can call this some sort of civil type or persuasive grooming but who is rattling who’s cage with this miscarriage of justice by inducment. It even goes against ethic’s so where are moral value’s today. I’m sure its not in government.

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    Autumn1962

    I guess another way to look at “fairness” is to be glad not everything is fair. If it were, then ALL sex offenders would be killed off and not just some. Lets instead, focus on reform and true justice.

    I worked with juvenile sex offenders for eight years. There is rarely any justice in the “justice system.” I have seen poor youth with a public defender get years for the same crimes other’s committed who could afford an attorney and those kids got months. If there were truly “justice” then everyone would be treated the same, regardless of income or race.

    I left the justice system in 2013 very jaded. I do not advocate “fairness.” Instead, I advocate reform. All sex offenders are NOT the same and NO ONE should have to live under the cloud of the worse thing they did their whole life for the rest of their life. There needs to be an avenue that these people can use to earn their way back to a normal life. The ones who are honest and have the aptitude will make it and we need to give them the opportunity to do so.

    I have so much more to say but that will be all for now.

    JB

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      Truth be known

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      You write : I guess another way to look at “fairness” is to be glad not everything is fair. If it were, then ALL sex offenders would be killed off and not just some. Lets instead, focus on reform and true justice.

      What are you writing here? Are you kidding me?
      It is ‘fair’ that those convicted of sex related offenses be ‘killed off”????

      I’m quite confused with your words. You surely do not mean exactly what your words state.

      As much as I want to advocate for “free speech” for all persons all the time, and as much as I am very wary of “hate speech” legislation and laws limiting persons from expressing their personal views, I’m still seeing what you write here as qualifying as “Hate speech”.

      Your words clearly advocate that the “killing-off” of a “certain group of persons” would be “fair.”

      Am I missing something here?

      Could you not be prosecuted for this?

      Where are the moderators on this forum? Hello?

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