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RIT study is Butner Redux deja vu

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    Michael M.
    Michael M.

    Michael M . . . A recent study conducted by researchers at the Rochester Institute of Technology, or RIT, is already being cited in Federal Court case
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  • #50739 Reply


    Class action defamation of character lawsuit is this possible?

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    On Rochester, NY
    Gimme a break. East coast elites claiming they’ve identified an overlooked aspect about the causal connection between child pornography and sexual aggressiveness like child molestation. It is a false narrative. Pictures or other images that contain naked babies or nude children are too often erroneously characterized as PORNOGRAPHY! Here again we must mark the distinction between being ACCURATE or\and being VALID. What makes images immoral or abhorrent is a strictly cultural distinction that law (not individuals) cannot readily define.
    Mike is absolutely correct the Up State New Yorkers are relying solely upon the “self reporting” type of statistical information gathering for their report. That particular survey type has some inherent technical problems with over and under reporting. In fact, it’s flaw well known and tends to effect the measurements of standard deviation. IMHO the report is propaganda.

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    Michael M.
    Michael M.

    The only material difference between the two studies is the fact that in the Butner studies, the participants were prisoners hoping for parole, while the subjects of the RIT study are on federal probation hoping to avoid revocation and successfully “graduate” from the sex offfender treatment program.

    Every data point in this new study – every factor, variable, or parameter relies upon on self-disclosed information from participants who are being coerced and rewarded for telling facilitators and therapists exactly what they want to hear. None of the information provided by partipants – including reports of participants’ own childhood abuse, mental illness, sexual paraphilias, and history of deviancy were in any way objectively validated by the researchers.

    I’ve seen the process at work, up-close and personally, while participating in an SOTP therapy group. Facts are endlessly “massaged until they fit the narrative.” Your sexual history (a writing assignment all SOTP particpants must complete) is submitted and “critiqued” by the group and its facilitator. Then, they literally tell you how to rewrite it. If you balk at this attempt to rewrite your own personal history, you risk being thrown out of the program and having your probation revoked. And, as if that weren’t bad enough, you may be required to take polygraph exams to “verify” this largely coerced and possibly bogus sexual history narrative. Imagine taking a “lie-detector” test about events that may or may not have happened to you as a child, decades ago.

    It is upon such a foundation that this study, and others like it, rest. To say that its conclusions are derived from palpably flawed data and a demonstrably disingenuous methodology is to grant it a level of charity that it doesn’t deserve.

    To read the actual report in its entirety: An Exploratory Analysis of Child Pornography Possessors Supervised by Federal Probation in the Western District of New York –

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    Don’t be surprised. The study was commissioned by federal probation officials, meaning RIT was probably specifically instructed what the study’s’ conclusions were before the grant was paid.

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    Thank you for sharing this information and taking the time to spell it out. So true. These programs get to the point where folks say what they know they want to hear because it is the only way. It is a shame because that can make a miss opportunity to help, heal and learn.

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    I was told that by Federal Parole officer when I was let off supervision. The whole I’ll see you again because thats what stats say and probably for something worse. Owell jokes on her its been 8 years since then and I have not. 2 years and I can apply to get off the registry and my SOR Officers says he likes to help and put in good words for the ones that are able. So hopefully this will happen.

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    Thanks for bringing this information out. There was one piece I was curious about…
    You mentioned $3000? The participants paid money to be in the set of date??? Or got paid??? Regardless, anytime money or something of value (say freedom!) is offered beyond reimbursement for time and expenses to a data set group, the results are invalidated. All this study would prove is something like: ‘50% of people who paid $3000 to be included in this study were willing to claim previous symptoms in order to gain a favorable completion’.

  • #50806 Reply
    Michael M.
    Michael M.

    No, Kathleen…

    The “researchers” (likely) paid a magazine $3000 to have their paper published in the Journal of Family Violence. This is what we authors call “vanity publishing.” In other words, if what you are writing is any good, publishers will pay YOU for your work. When it comes to research papers and the journals which publish them, the reputable ones don’t charge you a fee for inclusion. They also don’t let you pick who gets to do the “peer reviews” of your work… another indiction that the Butner study was a piece of crap.

    As for the R.I.T. study, it was commissioned (paid for) by the (Federal) Western District of NY Probation Department, which already tells you where the inherent bias is going to be. And it has NOT undergone any type of peer review and probably wont get published in any reputable journal for all the reasons I’ve outlined. Even so, it is being used by prosecutors and probation officers to justify longer prison sentences and probation revocations.

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    Like Robinson Crueso its primitive as can be. One wonders in these studies. I wonder if no man is an island. Sure man wants results, and with more results government seems to get by with pursusion, inducment intimidation, force, or other means for one to confess in criminal Justice cases or take the ole plea deal of true justice. I wonder if this country is for the people with those of social standards or is it some media factror today.

    I wonder who’s accoutable in this wall of understanding. Is this not some peoples way of hocus pocus of truth. I wonder if a lot of us today are treated like the hole-in-the wall gang in or by this devious human justice means.

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    “I once had an SOTP facilitator tell me that spooning with my wife while she sleeps is a sex crime,”

    By this logic EVERYONE is a sex offender and NO ONE should ever speak poorly of those convicted of sex “crimes” ever again. See, this quoted statement above, spoken from the mouth of someone who is in the business for the paycheck, should be what gets published in a nation-wide magazine article. Imagine the relationships and marriages THAT type of statement would/could ruin. “Hunny, don’t you dare make any contact with my body while I’m sleeping! And don’t kiss the kids on the forehead while they’re sleeping either. You read that article! Don’t become a pervert!” Yeah, that’s what marriage is all about.
    (Seriously, saying that spooning with your sleeping partner is a sex crime sounds very liberal left-feminist.)

    But of course you’ll have your typical high and mighty goodie-two-shoes who will “minimize” such an “offense” and still wish death on OTHER sex offenders.

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