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April 15, 2017 at 5:57 pm #8063
By Sandy….. The words on the email burned through my computer screen: “I’ve lost more conventions today. My business will not survive this and I don
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April 15, 2017 at 6:47 pm #8064
Those of us on the registry can completely relate to his perilous journey attempting to make a meaningful life for himself. Most of us fear even attempting what he has done out of fear of the exact things that have happened to him.
As for myself, even though im highly educated i dare not attempt to seek employment at any business related to any of my degrees. Instead I have relegated my services to family members and buying and selling things I can flip online such as ebay. This, at least in my mind, keeps me fairly safe from having to deal with things such as what Daniel is dealing with.
Im fairly new to the registry so maybe in time things will change or i will be able to deal with it better. I just hate feeling like im selling myself short because im on the registry. I know im not a bad person, just someone who made a bad decision with what I downloaded and im certainly not beyond rehabilitation like they like to label all of us. Most of us had jobs, girlfriends, relationships, social networks etc before we started doing what got us into trouble, we were people once…and we still are, but not to a great many presently.
The last point I want to make about this article is that marginalizing people NEVER makes things safer. In fact when you put individuals such as ourselves into a disfavored group not based on empirical data or any type of reasonable scientific scrunity you put the public at our mercy not the other way around. Now I want to say upfront I am not suggesting or supporting any type of violence or criminal activity, but the simple fact stands. If you have everything taken from you and have virtually no way to get most of it back what kind of life do you expect someone to have if he has nothing and has no better tomorrow. Im honestly surprised the non sexual recividism rates arent sky high for our exclusive group. Maybe that is the most telling of anything…..if we were that bad as a group as the powers that be advertise, the non sexual recvidism rates would be sky high.
April 16, 2017 at 1:38 pm #8065
Really, in my opinion, if one wanted to avoid problem contractors/employees weed out the ones with alcohol convictions. That’s speaking as someone who once had a severe alcohol problem.
April 16, 2017 at 1:45 pm #8066
…but that wouldn’t be fair, would it?
I managed to quit alcohol 14 years ago. Within 2 years i was self-employed. Until i got set up in an online bait and switch. Now i’m washing dishes….
Still sober tho. And that’s what’s so frustrating about being convicted of a sex crime- you are not allowed to move on. It’s like if your dog pooped on the floor when he was a puppy…and you rub his nose in shit every day for the rest of his life.
April 16, 2017 at 2:09 pm #8067
If NPR posts the interviews online, would you mind posting a link to them? I would very much like to hear or read them, as I suspect many others would.
April 16, 2017 at 3:53 pm #8068
Yes, I am sure they will. They will definitely be posted and included in any updates I write. Thanks.
April 16, 2017 at 3:55 pm #8069
Well now, gross as it is, I like that analogy.
April 16, 2017 at 5:45 pm #8070
I can appreciate Daniel’s position. If my health wasn’t as bad as it is, I would be in his frame of mind. As it is, I am trying to help those like him while still here. People just won’t reason things out. They’ll accept all kinds of violent people who are professional athletes but attack average people who got caught up in this disgusting form of profiteering by the judicial system.
The real pedophiles are the elite and politicians and it is evil and extensive but those bloggers could care less. I wonder how they would survive if attacked similarly.
To date, the hypocritical police institution will not go after the real providers of this internet sewage, as in much the same way they will not go after the big pushers of illicit drugs. I hold very little respect for them.
Hang in there Dan. Keyboard gladiators are the weakest and most cowardly form of vigilantes. They try to incite others to do what they are too cowardly to try.
April 16, 2017 at 9:50 pm #8071
I don’t know when this nonsense will end, but I have this naive hope that the registry and the unfair laws will end soon.
April 17, 2017 at 10:13 am #8072
There is only one way to deal with this. One needs to sue those for defamation and harassment. Trae Dorn has been sued twice before for that very thing. The community needs to start a legal defense fund and go after those that have clearly crossed the line. Pick ones that don’t have money to defend their actions and start to make it clear, we as a community can defend ourselves.
Also we need to start to petition local law enforcement to file charges whenever we can in relation to violations of anti harassment laws.
Yeah, I know, someone will bitch and moan and say it is useless. Keep your comments to yourself. If you can’t advocate self defense then I have no use for you.
I might also like to have the contact info for people who dumped him, so that I can call and ask that they support him. Companies need to know it is safe to do business and that not everyone will have a knee jerk reaction.
April 17, 2017 at 11:36 am #8073
While really none of this is funny, I can’t help but snicker at the high and mighty, Trae Dorn. I also posted comments – none contained any profanity, threats or bullying – and they were also deleted. He, apparently, isn’t even accepting of grammatical correcting either since he deleted my comment of his English error regarding the word “was” vs “were”. He lives in his own little self-protected environment and believes himself to be some kind of hero….ppppfffftttt!
I just have to wonder….how will he delete all of the comments on NPR???? Hahaha!
I’m curious if he has been invited to NPR as well?
April 17, 2017 at 5:43 pm #8074
I can empathize with Daniel, as I ,too, am self-employed. I run a small, one employee, woodworking business in my town. The only way that I was even able to accomplish that was to move to a completely different state and begin to start my life over.
As a result of my poor decision to commit my crime, I, too, lost everything. Family, friends, business, reputation, means of income, etc. My education is pretty much worthless now, and as those in power would like me to believe, am I.
I pleaded guilty, served every single day of my sentence (10 years), and as a bonus, the state of Iowa saw fit to tack on to my class C felony charge, a LIFETIME SPECIAL SENTENCE, complete with matching LIFETIME SORNA REGISTRATION. The “Special Sentence” now entitles me to live the entire rest of my life on parole supervision. Even though my original sentence was only 10 years. What a bonus! (I don’t live in Iowa any longer, but remain on my “special sentence” in my new state.)
In addition to my business, I started a related “Outdoor Flea Market” event, twice a month, which started out well. It was growing, and prospering every month, having at it’s peak approximately 40 vendors participating.
Of course, that was until someone decided that I didn’t deserve success, and started posting my information and status on Facebook and other social media, and going around during the event “notifying” my vendors and customers that the event was run by a sex offender. (God Forbid! Your children might be in danger!)
Within the next 2 weeks, my market fell completely apart, every single one of my vendors had left. in addition, print media stopped returning my calls for ad space, and then to top all that off, the local sheriff’s office was following up on “complaints” related to my market (which were all determined to be completely unfounded, and a complete fabrication).
I suppose that I am still lucky to be able to run my woodworking business. That is, of course, until someone else decides that I dont “deserve” to do that either.
As with a lot of others in this situation, my story doesn’t end there… no… This example is just the tip of the iceberg…
If this was done to anyone else, or any other group, it would be clear cut discrimination, vigilantism, hate speech, bullying, or whatever name you’d like to put on it.
It had better end soon, because as a group, we as individuals, can only take so much abuse…
April 17, 2017 at 8:45 pm #8075
I believe we need people like you and Daniel that have real life proof at what the registry has caused for you (punishment) for the doe v snyder if taken by the scotus (which I believe it will be) We need to not only hammer home the facts about recividism and debunking the frightening and high crap, but how the registry punishes us long after our crimes. In the end examples like what happened to you and Daniel show that it only takes one person to undo a registrants entire business. The bottom line is there are far too many citizens who do not use the registry for its intended purpose and it is far to easy to abuse. Many people just arent responsible enough to have access to it period. Either scotus needs to grant us special protections as a group or no longer make the registry public.
April 18, 2017 at 10:40 am #8076
In Search of Liberty
But people, Inhibit Rehabilitation, Banish, Disenfranchise, Stigmatize/Scarlet Letter, Emasculate & Destroy Families is what the registry was designed to do. These laws were built as a mechanism for post-incarceration punishment—plain and simple. And the federal courts for the past 15 or so years have basically said “So what they are Unconstitutional, there are sex offenders, the worst of the worst and this is what the people want so we are going to uphold these laws anyway…” That is until Does v. Snyder out of the 6th Circuit Court of Appeals. A court that had the balls to set the record straight and say the magic word “PUNISHMENT” and rule MI Unconstitutional! State and federal legislators know these laws violate Ex Post Facto (when applied after conviction & sentence), Due process, both Substantive & Procedural, when a person is not given notice, cannot confront his/her accuser, cannot defend himself in open court against charges. You can also include denial of Equal Protection and Cruel and Unusual Punishment as well. But again, these laws were made to continue punishment post-incarceration and hide under the guise of “Civil” regulation. Some real slimy stuff don’t you think? And as to Does v. Snyder, I can’t wait to see what SCOTUS is going to do with this request for Certiorari by the Michigan AG. This is going to be interesting. a) Do they deny Certiorari and let the 6th Circuit ruling stand, b) do they grant Certiorari, uphold Snyder and piss off probably 90% of America, or c) do they grant Certiorari, overturn Snyder and condemn all RSOs in America to the S#@T holes of life. Because everyone should know that if ‘c’ happens what just about every state legislature is going to do, [yes, the same thing they did after the 2003 Smith v Doe ruling uphold the Alaska registry/registration with that lie (Frightening and High residivism) Justice Kennedy put out there] start passing all manner of draconian restrictions for RSOs. I would not be surprised if a few states (FL, GA, NC, LA maybe TX) didn’t come up with Nazi style concentration camps for RSOs. Stay turned.
April 18, 2017 at 11:22 pm #8077
Government policies hurt people more than they help people. Whether it be war, weapons dealing, tax breaks for the ultra wealthy, allowing corporations to run rough-shod over our way of life, sending billions upon billions in aid to countries that neither want it nor deserve it, and our current out-of-control police state, both state and federal policies harm nearly all of the population of America. States put forward Orwellian double-speak about how they are protecting children with the draconian sex laws. But, yet, millions of children suffer from their policies. Tens of thousands of kids are homeless. Even more have the food taken from them when the government cuts school lunch programs to hand the money over to their criminal friends who donated money to their campaigns. Children are given harmful vaccinations that are purported to cause autism and other maladies. And their war policies murder entire families of children overseas while stealing thousands of parents from children in our country as they are sacrificed on the battlefield to feed the never satisfied war machine which devours lives daily.
What is at the base, the very root, of all of this suffering that is caused by our out governments, whether they be local or state? Greed and power. Simple as that.
– Why does war exist? Greed. It feeds the billionaires who invest in it.
– Why do families starve when their assistance is cut? Greed. It allocates money back to the politicians’ wealthy donors.
– Why do sex offender laws exist that only serve to harm children and families while being put forward under the lie of being meant to protect the children? Greed. It feeds the ever hungry Prison Industry which is a direct part of Law Enforcement, which is a direct part of the War Machine. Why do you think that those weapons of war find their way so easily into our police departments? It’s all the same industry. Look at Guantanamo Bay concentration camp. Look at any of the footage of the inside of the building. Every part of that facility can be found in any American prison or county jail. It’s all the same industry – no matter if it’s private prisons or state prisons.
How can we stop it? I really don’t know. The money has to be taken out of it. But, the public is too brainwashed into believing that sex crimes happen every minute and that every man is after their children for evil purposes. Men don’t even dare help children who may be lost or in need because of the propaganda-lies-driven hysteria that infects everyone around the globe makes them a person under suspicion. It has to end somehow. I just don’t know how.
April 19, 2017 at 8:41 am #8078
We need to hammer home how these laws are not just harming the registrant, but the family members of the registrant as well, by subjecting them to the same level of scrutinity, and as in this case, hampers the ability to support ones family. They can claim all they want that the registrant is getting what he or she deserves, but how do they defend creating victims out of that registrant’s family members? I think that argument needs to be brought up more.
April 19, 2017 at 7:31 pm #8079
After reading about Daniel and what that idiot Trae Dorn wrote about him I got to wondering how many skeletons Mr Dorn has in his closet. And not just him but anybody else that does the same thing. When I read stuff like this it really gets under my skin. I hope Daniel can recover his business. Peter
April 19, 2017 at 9:13 pm #8080
I’m a convention vendor also. I’m a bit confused by the mention of conventions “hiring” him. As I know it, conventions rent table space to vendors…unless he’s there as a guest…(???)
Anyway, I’ve been a video vendor at conventions since I was 19 yrs old back in the early 1990’s. And when my offense happened in 2005, I was out on bond and still going to the conventions. I was close with the convention organizers and they all know about my situation. And I’m STILL a vendor at all their shows. Just did one in Ohio last weekend. I’m curious to know what type of jerkweeds are running these conventions he was going to as MOST convention organizers are not 100% clean of a background record. One of the conventions I attend in NJ which is HUGE and very well know, is staffed with lots of drug addicts (be they current or former) and some have records.
April 19, 2017 at 9:31 pm #8081
I am sure any confusion is due to my not properly conveying the situation in what I wrote. Yes, Daniel and his company were vendors offering the service of their photography at these conventions.
We are thankful that you are more successful with your endeavors.
April 20, 2017 at 1:53 pm #8082
That’s very interesting, Maestro. Maybe there’s a way you could contact Mr. Silverman. I know nothing of these conventions or how they operate, but it seems someone would oversee who’s allowed to rent space. I don’t know; I just know that what Trae Dorn is doing so wrong on many levels. Of course, he’s patting himself on the back for the great job he believes he is doing.
I read an article that talks about “busybullies” and Mr. Dorn fits the description to a tee.
April 20, 2017 at 10:20 pm #8083
My own personal experience has been pure insanity. I confessed and signed a plea deal as a 1st time offender back in 1998. Throughout my ordeal I was found not to be a sexual predator. While serving my time I mailed the probation department of the county I was to be released to concerning employment restrictions as I was choosing classes for my Associate’s degree. I never received a reply so I chose HVAC. I graduated summa cum laude and was able to work 6 months in the field when probation yanked me out of there, declaring that I couldn’t do any residential work. I moved to my State’s capital and within a year was offered a position making 6 figures a year for a commercial HVAC company that were well aware of my criminal background and restrictions. Probation refused because I would be traveling with the company to various locations 2-3 weeks out of the month. My skills and knowledge stagnated and I found minor success here and there at unsavory small factories.
I always kept up with all requirements and was to be removed from the registry after 3 years which then got upped to 10 years due to State law then finally for life and added svp status as my offense made me one, “by operation of law”. I have been burglarized and harassed all the while the police and prosecutor in my small town have refused to carry out their duties and even allowed the burglarers to leave with items from my garage. The burglarers were out of state relatives of my wife’s and came back that same night taking my elderly father in laws’ Van. Prosecutor refused to extradite and they were released with the vehicle halfway home to their state.
I was arrested when same relatives said I was living in my home while I was not supposed to, I was in compliance however and staying 2 days in my home and splitting the other 5 days between a friend and siblings home. The case thrown out when a Judge ordered sheriff to allow me back in the home since as a svp I was indeed allowed to reside at home with my wife and 3 children. I was seeing that Judge to seek removal from registry when my lawyer pointed out that if prosecutor was restricting my residential using “offender against children” rules then my registry requirement ended a couple of years back but if I’m an SVP then there isn’t such a restriction in my case so I am by law allowed to live at home. Judge refused removal saying we had to hire psychologists and take tests at my expense before hearing arguments that I’m no longer a threat. I had been off any paper except registry since 04 and this was in 2014.
Meanwhile throughout all of this, my wife’s ex husband left State after numerous harassments such as DCS (or CPS) calls saying I was abusing his daughter. Investigated 4 times and the allegations proved unfounded. Seven years go by and he suddenly shows back up calls DCS again with allegation investigated and my stepdaughter telling them I have never abused her and that the ex is just causing drama again. The ex got a job working with my wife then told everyone about me and my past even printed up my registry page to show around, posted it on Facebook and generally hurling insults and begging ppl to help him get rid of me. Showed police and they say it isn’t harassment just him being annoying.
Needless to say, he is a dead beat dad over 60000 in back support owed with a body attachment order on him, still not arrested but wife did talk with her boss and he was told to stop the work stuff. We never withheld his visitations with his son and daughter but since he left 7 years ago he’s not been in contact other than 2 messages promising he is going to get me out. Wife now had this Facebook profile shut down (3rd one).
Bottom line for me is simply, when is enough enough? This treatment is beyond punitive. I will continue to live my life and prove the haters wrong but the depression and stress is too much for me to handle for the rest of my life. I hope and pray that someday I’ll be truly free to drop off, pick up and attend after school activities with my kids. I’d love to vacation or visit more than my home state without worrying about checking in with every law enforcement agency in order to see the Statue of Liberty or take my kids to Disneyland. But I seriously doubt the laws will change. Meanwhile I’ll try to keep my head above water and keep in mind that my past mistakes do not define the man I am today.
April 23, 2017 at 1:41 pm #8084
Every registrant needs to stand up and start putting their stories out there. Hard as it may be, if we are to win this war, this is what registrants and their family and friends must do.
We can no longer stand by and let government and haters force us out of jobs, out of our homes and back into the shadows.
850,000 registrants do have a voice. Use it. We can make change happen.
April 24, 2017 at 10:31 pm #8085
If no one wants us to be successful in our lives after a sex offense (any other offense is somehow redeemable), then my suggestion is that we do something similar to the Million Man March and we all go stomping on the grounds of the capital and proclaim that since no one wants a sex offender to be gainfully employed, we’ll be very happy to live off of all your tax dollars on both unemployment, welfare and food stamps.
Let’s see what the prissy pants public has to say about that, eh?
April 25, 2017 at 3:26 am #8086
Does that Doe VS Snyder case only apply for Michigan? My love will be on the registry in Nevada for the rest of his life, and like everyone else feels, being able to live a normal life free from the fear of the public witch Hunt would be great.
April 25, 2017 at 12:22 pm #8087
We will never win by changing public opinion. In my opinion the only way to get a fair shake is via the legal system. Not just by suing etc but by educating ourselves and friends about the laws so we arent duped or taken advantage of. I’ve learned that my attorney assumed a submissive posture the entire time he represented me. Had I listened to him I would have accepted the DA’s first offer and done 4yrs in prison. I understand he couldn’t make chicken salad out of chicken crap but he really did nothing to protect me.
April 28, 2017 at 7:59 pm #8088
My husband is a registered sex offender he didn’t do the crime i have saw and have heard proof of this none the less the alleged allegation was against an 8 year boy made by a gay guy who wanted to sleep with my husband but my husband isn’t gay arrest was April 28, 2009 forced to plea guilty by public defender july 1st 2009 yes just 2 months in county jail. My husband is a great person he’s helped me against my ex abusive boyfriend, he’s a awesome step dad also he works 40 hours a week he also has became a god parent to 4 kids 1 year old, 2 year old, 4 year old and a 6 year old. My husband has a been very blessed to have a very great support system and over a 1,000 people know that my husband has never hurt a child btw his step kids are 8 years old and 10 years old one day i hope he could get off that unconstitutional list thanks for reading have a blessed day.
April 30, 2017 at 8:50 pm #8089
What happened to me was a horror story. When you are up against the power of the state (and their bottomless wallet) on false charges and manufactured evidence, what can you do? I was given a choice of a short sentence through a Public Defender plea deal – or taking it to court, losing anyway, and spending decades in prison. What choice is that? I had lots of people without sex crimes in prison telling me they would never have taken the deal and would have fought – so I MUST be guilty! That’s prison logic for you. But, prisons MAKE people think that way. The media makes people think that way. So, it basically becomes you against the world when you are accused of a sex crime. Then, if you live through prison, you make it out to be branded for life as a danger to the public – forever under the thumb of the state and the suspicion of anyone who knows you are on that horrible public registry. If you were innocent in the first place, it’s a nightmare you can’t wake up from. My life ended when they came to my house with the search warrant and an ex-parte order to steal my child from me. Now, I’m just existing. I am doing the best I can with it. What else can I do? If I advocate publicly, vigilantes know where I live and they HAVE killed people on the registry around here at random a few years back. I don’t want to put my family in that kind of danger. The police don’t care of someone comes for you to do you harm if you are on the registry. Janice Belucci has, so eloquently, told the story many times of her friend who was nearly killed by a vigilante. The police did nothing then, they did nothing around here, and they will do nothing in the future. Sad, but true. So, I am FOREVER grateful that the good people who work within National RSOL exist. They are my heroes and the only hope I have of ever living a registry-free life ever again.
I don’t like telling people of my conviction. But, those I care about – or potential close friends – I have to tell about it because they can find out by entering my name in any search engine. I come up on 4 registries (State, Homefacts, City-Data, and Mugshots). It’s sickening that it is allowed to be on any website other than the state’s. In fact, it’s sickening that it exists at all because it does absolutely no one any good.
May 2, 2017 at 1:26 pm #8090
Yes, 850K, plus their family and friends. Over a million, I’m sure.
May 5, 2017 at 10:42 am #8091
In Search of Liberty
On a peripheral note, consider this: the suffix ER, present future tense, verses the suffix ED, past tense. The title “Sex Offend(er)” is in it self a false or incorrect description of someone designed to invoke vitriol in the general public against that someone. To elaborate, the word “sex” in and of itself is not a negative word, that is until you add the word “offend”, an action verb, to it and then to go further, and add the suffix “er” to this action verb and apply it to a person then you have created in the eyes of the general public—a monster. When you say someone is a “Sex Offend(er)” you are basically saying that this is what this person is or what he does on a continuous basis. Consider: ER suffix (future present tense)
Designates a person or thing that does or performs a specified action, examples:
Offend intransitive (action) verb
To violate a law or rule: do wrong offend against the law
There you have it. So the question in my mind is this, say a person’s conviction for a sex crime is 35 years old and that person has not committed another such crime, how is that person a current sex offend(er)??? He/she may have committed his/her crime many, many years ago which would only be ED or Past Tense, what that person did, not what he/she is doing. Think! If a person is a sex offend(er), present future tense, this means that this person is out there committing sex crimes— “presently”, and will continue to do so because that is what he/she IS and what he?she DOES on a continuous basis like a fire fight(er) or police(er), until arrested. Am I making sense here? If YOU ARE NOT currently out there committing sex crimes and have not done so in many, many years—YOU ARE NOT Sex Offend(er)!!! And don’t let them (parole board, police, general public) tell you that you are.
May 6, 2017 at 9:41 pm #8092
Tanya R Reeder
My husbands crime is just like this with a few details that are different. and i think the registry puts all sex offenders in danger.It makes it hard for them to live and they have to live in fear all the time. They have to check where they live cause of the laws (which are bogus) which makes it harder for them to become a productive member of society
May 22, 2017 at 8:08 pm #8093
I was actually the CEO of a corporation that ran a fur con. Many years ago I stepped down from being con chair, and went to just being the CEO because people started throwing around my status. Everything went pretty well, then one day, I got a letter stating that I was being asked to step down as CEO because apparently I had molested some teenager in the hot tub. I assured them that did not happen, would not happen, and I had witnesses with me in the hot tub every time I went there. I thought it was all over again, then recently, we had some violent talk going on, and I stepped in, and once again I was completely belittled on behalf of my status. It got to the point where we finally just closed down the con. All because people think that something that happened 25 years ago had any bearing on my capabilities to run a convention.