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August 28, 2020 at 10:39 am #75726
By Michael Winerip . . . Jace Hambrick worked as an apprentice laborer during the week, renovating homes around Vancouver, Wash., and at a neighborhoo
[See the full post at: Police sex offender entrapment stings produce convictions without victims]
August 28, 2020 at 5:15 pm #75758
Tim in WI
What do you think “To assist law enforcement” really meant for the future intended uses of the electronic infrastructure????????
The Rehnquist court in DOE03 explained it as the ” alternate purpose ” when in truth it was the primary purpose of the unfettered use of the database driven infrastructure as evidenced by the advent of sex offender registries and the manipulative and uneven application of Byrne Grant funds.
These days LEO could use some good marketing. Yesterday the NY Police union President claimed the Democratic Party had ” turned their backs on cops. ”
So now we’ve got cop unions claiming fictitious victimhood when the people merely want reasonable limits on weapon use against them.
August 28, 2020 at 6:21 pm #75768
This is a very cruel way to entrap unsuspecting people with a non-existing crime. The police are doing this to get their monetary quotas in and are having no regard to how many lives they are ruining in their pursuit. And these people and their families are being ruined both financially, emotionally and are considered the lepers of society when they’re not. Something should be done about these police pursuits, and they should be stopped. No wonder there are riots all over America directed at the police. They’re corrupt and the people have had enough.
August 29, 2020 at 6:26 am #75783
Tim in WI
Not just dangerous pariah but indentured servants to machine upkeep demanding a vast amounts of Information data input via third party. The commoditization of personal information data stored on various databases and usurped by big data brokers for unfettered marketing and other uses. Slavery has historically been quite profitable and in a nation carrying as much debt as the U.S. holds…Resistance is futile…they must comply or face further incarceration.
Me I’ll stand FTR every time by exercising my 5th.
It is important to note that if a conviction ensues the state still hasn’t gotten it’s data demand met, therefore punitive aspect kicks in without fruit for the stated aim of the DOC\SOR.
August 29, 2020 at 6:27 am #75782
H n H
It’s the legislators that give the police said powers to do what they do.
August 29, 2020 at 6:29 am #75780
FACTS ARE FACTS!
In FLori-DUH, this has been a common practice, especially with a character named Gready Grady Judd (Elmer Fudd, actually)…He has made it his life time passion and mission to do this! Thousands of men, including myself, are victims of this Crime Manufacturing….Again, very few have taken it to trial, in fear of long long prisons sentences…most pled out, including myself!
When ‘they’ threw me to the ground in the Sting House, ‘He’ sat their laughing while gorging himself on a Steak and a Bloomin’ Onion paid by Tax Payer Monies!
My 97 year old grandmother assured me many times, that the only saving grace will be when he Visits St Peter on his judgment day and he will not face heaven BUT HELL! I believe this to be true!
These same scenarios have been played out by other Sheriffs in Flori-DUH and other State Jurisdictions. It is a money making Scheme.
Gready Grady, with all the Federal Monies he has received for the Sting Operations, bought 2 Army Tanks and a Semi-Truck to haul them around-Pitiful Polk County is NOT EAST L.A.! [JAG MONIES THAT ARE RECEIVED]
The Facts speak for themselves.
Grady thinks that he is a Man of God-he is not; as HE is a Man of Satan!
AS I have stated before, ‘they’ used the same Template and added people’s names etc to it, despite what the Defendant said or did!
The Judges, Prosecutors, and their accomplices drink/drank the same Kool-Aid! And most Defendants’ Attorneys were too scared to stand up for their clients, and instead took plea bargains by selling them out!
August 29, 2020 at 11:59 am #75811
This is why they call Public Defenders ‘Public Pretenders’. I NEVER go online for chatting with anyone I even think is Underage, and periodically, I get emails from the same source. Yes. the Cops are now SENDING EMAILS to Us in hopes we’ll respond, so they can Arrest Us yet again, and it doesn’t matter which State they do it from too. They just have the State you’re in, have their State Police round you up to hold you for transport to their State for Trial, Sentencing and Conviction! And yes, IT IS a Money Thing. It’s ALWAYS about MONEY! That’s why The Entire Federal Government is Corrupt!!! Welcome to The Nazi States of Gestapo Amerika!
August 29, 2020 at 1:16 pm #75819
from Mississippi. In college I went online asking if anyone around could tell me about town. My dad lost his job so I took two yrs off so everyone I knew had graduated. I didn’t know anyone there. A person replied and it was normal chatting then the person got pushy on meeting and claimed to be 15. I wasn’t looking to meet anyone i said so but it didn’t stop there. The next day everywhere I went I saw cop cars. That night I was pumping gas and was arrested. They twisted my words to make it seem like I was looking for sex. I spent 5 yrs in prison for a violent crime on a person who doesnt exist.
How the heck do you commit a crime on a fake person?
August 29, 2020 at 1:25 pm #75829
What I was completing my research cognate at the University I did a project on gaming addiction. Without getting into the details, my findings or very different from what I had set out to find. it became very obvious to me at the time that the subjects who I was interviewing and one thing in common, they all were socially isolated. for various reasons they had a hard time with socialization. And so as the cyberworld began to unfold these individuals became commonly tied to their computers playing massive multiplayer video games and finding life on the internet. As these young gamers became more addicted to online living, they naturally also found connectivity and pornography and chaps. Participants that I spoke with all had stories of contacts with individuals, often people trolling them, who wanted them to hook up for sex. In many cases they were just asking for pictures. every individual I interviewed sent at least one photograph of their private parts. One participant who was under 18 at the time of his contact with one of these individuals actually flew to another state to meet with a girl. He was a virgin and I have never had a date in his life. Another agreed to meet up with one of his game playing friends but chickened out. As they became young adults, all of my participants were undergraduate students at the time, they continue this immature relationship as if it was a game itself. As I wound up this project my conclusions included obvious trend in underdeveloped social identity which commonly happens during the high school years, and which each of these gamers had failed to adequately negotiate. They’re online living personas or avatars have become so ingrained in their minds that they did not recognize the difference between games and reality. They were ripe for exploitation from Anyone who wanted to use them. Obviously they would have been perfect fodder for the law enforcement sting operation that was described in this article. such individuals do not represent imminent harm to society. If anything they are pathetic in there lack of self-esteem and self-awareness which makes them vulnerable. But, given enough external coercion I could see them all easily being pulled into a situation where they could then be entrapped into a crime. When I did my study this is cutting-edge stuff. Since then colleagues and I have completed other studies and published on gaming addiction. What I have learned is there is a close correlation between gaming addiction, pornography addiction, and a narcissistic lack of self-esteem which makes these individuals vulnerable to fantasy-based living online. well they are not out there committing crimes in general, they can certainly be manipulated into appearing to be moving in that direction. As we continue to create these people through our culture of absentee child rearing, social media as primary interaction, and parents who are too busy to notice the warning signs, I fear for how many people will be caught up in this dragnet. how many of you have children and grandchildren who live on their computers? Or on their phones? How many of you are aware of how vulnerable they are to manipulation? I think this article has put its finger on the pulse of the next generation of sex offenders on the registry. After all, you don’t have to commit a sex offense in order to be convicted of one.
August 29, 2020 at 2:04 pm #75828
Welcome to modern day Nazi America, where peoples lives are ruined by corrupt zealot’s for personal and political gain. I was sentenced to 14 years and lifetime supervised release, for a crime that never happened against people that don’t exist because the state security believed there was a possibility that I may have had the opportunity to commit a crime. I had a conversation with an adult woman and made arrangements to meet her alone, with the possibility of leaving the airport to go home with her. The corrupt Nazi tribunal this country calls a legal system embellished statements taking them out of context, and went so far as to fabricate statements that are nowhere to be found outside of police reports. I was provided no meaningful adversarial process and the Gestapo held me without bail subjecting me psychological abuse for almost 2 years. I was coerced and lied to for the purpose of accepting a plea agreement that was not honored by the court ,simply because the court doesn’t have to unless it’s a Rule 11 (e). Freedom is an illusion, the pledge of allegiance is a false oath the national anthem is pure hypocrisy. Welcome to Nazi American Territorial districts of North America.
August 29, 2020 at 3:37 pm #75859
I think that Jace Hambrick got a raw deal, but the same time he was stupid or maybe just naive, I am not putting him down because I was naive too and stupid also. After being in the criminal justice system and while being in it I am much less naive now, I think that is part of why the recidivism rate is so low for SO, you gain more wisdom and stay away from bad situations. Anyway to me the fact that she said she was 13, irregardless of how old she looked in the picture would be a red flag for me, if I wanted to make sure I would of asked to do a video chat and recorded it and made her entrap herself by saying something like “you 13, but you look so much older, is this a role play game? I need to know for real because I am not into having sex with girls under 18.” So by doing that and recording it you have an affirmative defense that your intent is to have sex with an adult female. I had something similar happen to me, put an ad in Craigslist, forgot what the ad said, a female answered and said she was 18, sent a pic and she looked 18, but she also looked like she could be 15, so red flags went up in my head, She then asked me if I like them young, so I said, yeah as long as they at least 18, so not too long after that she ended the conversation. So maybe it was a police sting, but the police can’t fool me, because I am not naive nor do I want to go back.
August 29, 2020 at 11:22 pm #75896
In reading your comment, I feel you have fallen into the typical “group think” mentality of most of society (political affiliations unimportant). There are over 300 million people in just this country alone. All 300+ million people are NOT going to do things the same way. Where one person might decide to end communication with some (fake) underage teen online, another (like Jace) with introvert issues and ADHD and also still young himself mentally, might take a different approach especially when he made it clear that he has been pranked in the past. Someone with his mental capacity will begin to think EVERYTHING is a prank. He means no harm and yet the courts give 0 f**ks about his condition.
We may as well scrap any and all mental conditions since none of them are ever taken into consideration in these cases anyway.
Now… if YOU or I were to do something sexual with a person with ADHD or Down syndrome or any other type of mental handicap, the courts would hang us out to dry in the blazin’ desert sun. And they’d make the ADHD or mentally handicapped person a “helpless victim”. But when the mentality handicapped person is the initiator/aggressor, suddenly their mental capacity doesn’t mean jack squat.
Why attorneys don’t fight this is anyone’s guess.
August 30, 2020 at 5:42 am #75915
Tim, All Americans have lost their rights and privileges, There’s no more 5th Amendment rights.
In Law The Fifth Amendment was part of the Bill of Rights, providing that no person be required to testify against himself or herself in a criminal case and that no person be subjected to a second trial for an offense for which he or she has been duly tried previously. As far as sex offenders the courts have allowed the police and prosecution to use and twist the defendants own words against them to establish prosecution..
The second section is the “double jeopardy” clause, and it protects citizens against a second prosecution after an acquittal or a conviction, as well as against multiple punishments for the same offense. Caveats to this provision include permissions to try persons for civil and criminal aspects of an offense, conspiring to commit as well as to commit an offense, and separate trials for acts that violate laws of both the federal and state governments, although federal laws generally suppress prosecution by the national government if a person is convicted of the same crime in a state proceeding. They also civilly commit a sex offender once he’s done his him and commit him for the same offence but rather than call it what it is double jeopardy they refer to it as civil commitment to bypass the laws and not have people sue them down the track. Everything in US law is a play on words and a sly way for enacting such laws without further repercussions from the people.
August 30, 2020 at 9:11 am #75934
I am pro police, but these cops are ruining the name of good cops. Every one of them should lose their jobs. This sting sounds like something that would have taken place in Nazi Germany.
August 30, 2020 at 2:50 pm #75956
Actually, yes and no, in this case there are rules from the DOJ however they are not followed. In fact police on the stand will say they are allowed to break the rules.The legislature has no rules specific to these groups – ICAC and MECTF. I have a push going forward to have the legislature decide on specifics that SHOULD BE legal. But the other issue here is that the police, prosecutors and judges are deciding for themselves what to convict and what not to convict. Together. And that is dangerous.
August 30, 2020 at 2:53 pm #75952
Entrapment like this should be illegal. Here we have an over 21 year old police lying about her age for the sole purpose to entrap someone for a high profile felony case. Technically, he responded to a consensual adult, who happened to be a liar just to entrap him. I find this highly unethical, inhumane, and it should rightly be against the law. He was arrested and charged (?) for what they feel he MIGHT have been thinking. So, now the guy gets 25 on the registry living in a culture where registrants are subjects of more and more violent attitudes from the public.
Having worked with sex offenders for eight years, most people see your typical registrant as a pedophile and many are not. I have always said, and I will continue to believe, that the registry is unconstitutional, inhumane, poses a threat to those who are on it, and it needs to be abolished!
August 31, 2020 at 11:20 pm #76013
Maybe you shouldn’t try to **** kids
August 31, 2020 at 11:22 pm #75990
No matter how unconstitutional and victimless these stings are facts are facts:
“forget sex,” Hambrick wrote. “Let me come watch I haven’t gottn that one yet,” adding that he was 20. Fifteen minutes later, Gamer Gurl replied that she was 13.
Once the person understands underage activity consider yourself busted! Even if the person does not even travel for a meetup, your busted. WHY?
The fact is the LEA are creating the website and you in fact just made a date with a cop on-line!
So therefore if there is any conversation regarding underage activity as far as a adult dating site, never take the bait. Its a police sting…
Many states have laws and statutes that constitute solicitation of a minor simply by the language your use in a simple txt, e-mail or otherwise form of communication. Female Officers are recruited to pose as underage girls and again, a date with a cop that you did not make is not going to go well.
August 31, 2020 at 11:23 pm #76009
I wanted to point out in the (very good) NYT article the existence of a well-heeled “vigilante” group known as O.U.R. is mentioned (along with a link to their website) I suggest that NARSOL finds out more about this group which involves itself with sting ops against members of the community! Their group has posted a response to the NYT article in their blog accessible from their website menu.
Best Regards! MarkG (member of Oregon Voices)
September 1, 2020 at 12:32 pm #76086
carlos a rice
How can we successfully challenge this atrocious behavior? The erosion of our rights are obvious and that trend is accelerating. It is unconstitutional to assume guilt and to entrap citizens and no law that allows it can be defended.
We spend 200 billion a year to process and incarcerate our citizens. It is a lucrative business and its profitability is propped up by consequential indignation! There is but one way to correct this. We have to find courageous legislators that can sponsor meaningfull justice. Good luck with that! The right thing might not the popular thing in these cases. I agree with an earlier statement that these wrongs, as allowed, lead to disenchantment and distrust in the system.
September 1, 2020 at 2:07 pm #76092
Turn it back on Law Enforcement. Show up with a news crew and ask the officers about entrapment.
September 2, 2020 at 5:19 am #76112
Off the Grid
One after another, again and again I see so many commenters here saying Nazi and Germany and Gestapo….. and saying that is what we are victims of here in this land called America….
May I suggest everyone who makes that comment please do some much needed self education on this matter of history. The legal system in this country is run by masters of deception. These ‘masters of deception’ are the same group which Christian Aryan Nazi Germany tried to save Germany from. Nazi Germany lost WWII because America’s huge military might was sadly controlled by the politicians whom are controlled by the same ‘masters of deception’ which now control the same legal system we are presently burdened with.
September 2, 2020 at 5:24 am #76120
nobody in particular
From what I have read about these “stings”, those suckered into the entrapment are not responding to the imaginary “underaged” aspect of the fabricated persona, but rather the simple fact that they are getting positive attention and affirmation from someone who seems to share their interests and disposition. It appears that the undercover agent typically doesn’t even reveal the “age” of their character until the relationship has been well established, and the most common response from the target is *incredulity*, not an increase in arousal at the prospect of “attempting to f*ck a child”, as some would so aptly put it. The whole operation is just a manipulation of basic human psychology, and, incidentally, when questioned, those being prosecuted say that it was the *maturity* of the personality which made them believe that they were talking to an adult who was “role-playing” someone younger. Of course, another thing to consider is that a target himself may be underage, in which case he may be a teenager responding to what he thinks is another teenager (I use the pronoun “he” because these stings tend to target males more than females, or those cases are the most reported)…thus, in America, apparently a person is not “allowed” to have a sexuality until they are at least in their 20s, and the rate things are going, someday you may be considered a “pedophile” if you are attracted to anyone under 30. I would suggest to anyone into meeting up with someone online, that as tactless as it may be, you get confirmation of their actual age before so much as engaging in a conversation with them, or at the very least, keep a very obvious record that you attempted to confirm they were of legal age, and express, in no uncertain terms, that you were seeking the company of an adult. Bail out the *moment* they say they are under the age of consent, and *do not* respond to them no matter how insistent they may be after that, because you can bet your @ss it’s just a cop trawling for more convctions so they can buy that golden SUV they always wanted, and then later have a good laugh about wrecking some “unsuspecting losers” existence. The cops have essentially become internet trolls, because they fail so miserably at real life.
September 7, 2020 at 6:01 am #76348
This is how I ended up on the registry. Same story. I got duped by a 14 year old posing as a 18 year old on OkCupid. I ended up on life supervision for it. I honestly feel that police doing stings like this teaches minors that you can in fact make somebody up for whatever purpose intended (framing someone, sting operation, sexual encounter). There’s ethical boundaries being crossed here by people who pull crap like that. There ought to be a law against making someone up for personal gain.
September 8, 2020 at 9:28 am #76374
It is what they do best. That is what they consider the “greater good.” It is sad but men who would be predisposed to such things, should see stories like this and steer themselves in a different direction while they still have the chance.
September 8, 2020 at 9:29 am #76375
They arrest men over fake online profiles all the time. It is what they do best. The citizens love what they do and embrace it. They love the feeling of being “safe” and the so-called “worst” destroyed in whichever way that the system allows. It is a system that is ran and built upon lies, deceit, etc.
Men, who would be predisposed (or have it in them) to commit such crimes should see stories like the one above, and change while they still have the chance.
One detective had set me up for death, and lied that I had been trying to “solicit” some girl I had went to school with. He and his cohorts has dug up some convo that clearly wasn’t soliticing much less sexual in nature. The citizens like sheep, would believe such a lie because of what I was charged with.
When it comes to crimes of a sexual nature, particularly when it comes to those who are under-18, are punished not so much for what was done, or in some cases, “not done,” but simply for what “could have been done,” or what “could have been.” Kinda like what was in the movie Minority Report.
September 8, 2020 at 10:40 am #76380
Yeah, the stings do teach minors (particular the females) that they can set men (notice how I didn’t write the word “people”) up. A lot of them already know that they can and will not get into any trouble or pay any sort of price whatsoever, if it were to have been found out that they lied about their age and got a man arrested for what would be considered one of the “worst” crimes in America. It’s not only men that this happens to but teen boys. There was one who spent a couple of years locked up and faced a decade because some girl falsely accused him. She ruined his dreams of playing football.
There was a man who committed suicide because some girl had sexual relations with him, having lied to him about her age beforehand. He was 18 and believed she was 16 (or the bogus, so-called “age of consent” in that state, in America of all places) but she was in fact, 15. At some point she told him the truth then proceeded to blackmail him for more sex, if I remember the story correctly. She let him know what “would happen” to him if it were found out that they had those relations with each other.
Women can do the same thing, in regards to themselves (as in false sexual assault claims, or in some cases, the claim by a possessed woman that she was verbally given the threat of sexual assault and that some possessed man had “overheard” the threat) or minors, and also not expect any sort of price for what they did. One women got a man 7 years after falsely accusing him. When it was found out, nothing happened.
The system puts minors and women on a pedestal and terribly enough, the most convincing lies in regards to them, would be the crimes of a sexual nature. Notice how most false accusation cases, along with those stings that happen after men chat with law enforcement playing pretend, are not things having to do with punching someone in the face or something like that. The dark forces that work behind the scenes, know all of this.
December 7, 2020 at 8:06 am #78657
The Criminalized Man
Why is there no citation for “A strong predictor of predatory behavior is an obsession with child pornography”? They get away with throwing prejudicial imaginings like that with nothing to back it up. “FACTS ARE FACTS!” – I wish, CJB. I really do.
December 7, 2020 at 3:00 pm #78663
You beat me to it! I was thinking the same thing. Even though this article is pretty well written, that comment smacked me in the face. Too many writers love to just throw comments like that out without anything to back it up. Comments like this are how the US got into this mess in the first place. In fact, several studies over the years have proven this is not true. Just simple math proves it as well. Millions of people around the world download CP, but you don’t have a corresponding increase in violent crimes, actually there’s been a drop.
Just this morning on one of the morning shows, Christine Baranski talked about taking a two month trip to Europe in the 70s by herself as a college student. Then everyone agreed that you just couldn’t do that today implying that the 70s were safer than now. There’s nothing further from the truth. Violent crime rates continue to fall over the long term world wide. Maybe it was never a good idea to travel alone like that, but it’s not because the world is less safe now.
The media profits from this danger-mongering as well as the police. I say we defund both. The media is supposed to be serving the public interests, but all they serve are their corporate masters who make tons of money from the current system.