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April 27, 2018 at 12:47 pm #39438
By Scott . . . I’m on the board of Illinois Voices for Reform and have been actively involved with the organization since 2012. I am on the registry f
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April 27, 2018 at 2:48 pm #39445
As you well know by now, this is what we can expect. It’s not fair. It’s definitely ex post facto punishment. It is not based in science, but rather in fear.
April 27, 2018 at 6:59 pm #39465
All sex offense laws are based on fear and not scientific fact. That’s why people convicted of a sex offense are subject to the kind of torment that local, state, and federal laws impose
April 27, 2018 at 8:16 pm #39485
Chuck, I have to add to the motive behind these laws. The equal or perhaps larger driving force behind laws such as I.M.L. is moral outrage. A rapist is looked down on most harshly, however, a child molester evokes the most venomous vitriolic animosity that can possibly be stirred within a person. No matter what the penalty is, if it’s short of execution or lifelong incarceration the punishment is never deemed enough.
The sentiment is that the child is forced to live with a trauma that was totally avoidable; a trauma that was caused due to moral bankruptcy and selfishness in the extreme. It is that idea that is the real driving force behind our nation’s sex offender laws. Society assumes the child will suffer over this in one way or another until they die. Society doesn’t see the fairness in an offender “simply doing a few years in prison and/or on probation/parole and then being allowed to go on with their lives as if nothing ever happened.”
These laws are designed to make us pay and pay dearly ’til the longest day we live to draw a breath.
Someone please comment back and share your thoughts on my rationale.
April 27, 2018 at 9:38 pm #39492
Although, I agree with the points you made in regards to public opinion. I believe the real driving force behind these laws is money.
April 27, 2018 at 10:41 pm #39493
Money is a big part of the picture and is a given. Anytime the government gets behind something tenaciously we need to follow the money. I won’t argue that money is a big part of it, after all, it’s hard to get registration fees, supervision fees, G.P.S. fees, treatment fees, and polygraph fees waived in many jurisdictions.
As incredulous as it sounds, in Tennessee not being able to get a job is NOT grounds for a registration or supervision fee waiver. Even though the law says indigence is a hardship that qualifies one for fee exemption, the TN Dept. of Corrections does not want to honor that statute. They claim to have authority to determine their own criteria for a hardship and that is only if an offender is on S.S.I., social security, or disability. Simply not being able to find a job due to the statutory restrictions and the felony record is not, according to the TN Dept. of Correction grounds for a fee waiver. Even being declared legally indigent by a judge in good standing is not sufficient for the TN Dept. of Corrections.
Louisiana has quite an exorbitant registration fee that has to be paid within so many days of an offender’s release from prison. It is not waived and if the offender can’t pay it by a certain number of days (3, I think) they are re-arrested and put in jail for failure to register. Tell me that that’s not the ultimate “SCREW YOU!”
April 27, 2018 at 10:47 pm #39497
Robin Vander WallAdmin
WC, if you believe that the TN Dep’t of Corrections’ policies are contradictory to state law, or if the policy is an unreasonable assumption of agency power pursuant to that law, you have a grievance. Go file a lawsuit and force the Department to either comply with the law or to broaden its policy to cover additional instances of impecunity. One thing is absolutely certain, if the registered population of Tennessee is sitting around waiting for something to change, it is NOT going to change. That’s simple enough. Change comes when someone gets up and decides to do something.
April 28, 2018 at 12:29 pm #39527
In order to be able to file suit, one must be able to afford an attorney. The TN ACLU has been less than useless when it comes to sex offender issues. I have contacted them in the past and their reply (in summary) is: “Challenges to sex offender laws have been largely unsuccessful. We will not spend our limited resources trying to fight for sex offender rights.”
I am trying to get my own computer repair business off the ground, but the work is just too sporadic. I had a job through a temporary agency, but that job came to an end due to the volume of available work dropping at the work site that complies with the 1,000 feet rule. That job lasted from late December 2017 to late March 2018.
I haven’t found a lawyer in TN yet that would be willing to tackle sex offender issues pro bono. I’d love to be able to do something, but not every state is blessed with a Janice Bellucci.
Being on lifetime supervision, I won’t go to jail for failure to pay, as far as I understand. What will happen is this, if I understand the situation correctly: When I’ve been on supervision for 15 years without any sort of violations I can petition the sentencing court to be released from community supervision. The petition would be denied due to non-payment of fees. I owe just over $5000 in fees that date back to when I was first placed on community supervision for life.
April 28, 2018 at 12:29 pm #39532
TN Code § 39-13-524 (2014)
(a) In addition to the punishment authorized by the specific statute prohibiting the conduct, a person shall receive a sentence of community supervision for life who, on or after:
(1) July 1, 1996, commits a violation of § 39-13-502, § 39-13-503, § 39-13-504, or § 39-13-522;
(2) July 1, 2010, commits a violation of § 39-13-531; or
(3) The applicable date as provided in subdivision (a)(1) or (a)(2) attempts to commit a violation of any of the sections enumerated in subdivision (a)(1) or (a)(2).
(b) The judgment of conviction for all persons to whom subsection (a) applies shall include that the person is sentenced to community supervision for life.
(c) The sentence of community supervision for life shall commence immediately upon the expiration of the term of imprisonment imposed upon the person by the court or upon the person’s release from regular parole supervision, whichever first occurs.
(d) (1) A person on community supervision shall be under the jurisdiction, supervision and control of the department of correction in the same manner as a person under parole supervision. The department is authorized on an individual basis to establish such conditions of community supervision as are necessary to protect the public from the person’s committing a new sex offense, as well as promoting the rehabilitation of the person.
(2) The department is authorized to impose and enforce a supervision and rehabilitation fee upon a person on community supervision similar to the fee imposed by § 40-28-201. To the extent possible, the department shall set the fee in an amount that will substantially defray the cost of the community supervision program. The department shall also establish a fee waiver procedure for hardship cases and indigency.
40-39-201. Short title Legislative findings:
(7) The offender is subject to specified terms and conditions that are implemented at sentencing, or, at the time of release from incarceration, that require that THOSE WHO ARE FINANCIALLY ABLE must pay specified administrative costs to the appropriate registering agency, which shall retain one hundred dollars ($100) of these costs for the administration of this part and shall be reserved for the purposes authorized by this part at the end of each fiscal year, with the remaining fifty dollars ($50.00) of fees to be remitted to the Tennessee bureau of investigation’s sex offender registry
April 28, 2018 at 1:47 pm #39546
We know that in most instances a registrant has to get the case out of the state courts and into the federal courts for there to be any hope for a fair ruling. The higher up the chain of command the appeal goes, the more exorbitant the filing fees become.
Neither my family, my friends or myself have the financial resources needed to fight. That’s why most of these laws go unchallenged in so many states. The financial resources are lacking as are attorneys willing to dedicate the amount of time it would take to fight these laws through the entire appellate court system.
April 29, 2018 at 9:01 pm #39617
Robin Vander WallAdmin
Understood. We really need to shake the trees in the Tennessee legal community to figure out why there are no attorneys in that state willing to step to the plate. We’re going to put some effort into that in the coming weeks.
April 30, 2018 at 3:57 pm #39639
We need attorneys in the major cities: Memphis, Jackson, Nashville, Knoxville, Chattanooga, and whatever th e major cities or towns are in East Tennessee.
April 30, 2018 at 3:57 pm #39637
One reason there are no pro bono attorneys thus far is they KNOW this will be an up-hill battle to the very end. Lawyers are in the business to make lots of money fast. It would eat into too much of their time to do the legal research and spend all the time in court it would take to have even a hope of a chance of bringing these laws down or seriously paring them back.
Also, we in TN are in the “Bible Belt” and have faux Christian morality working against us. Even legislators I KNOW to be members of the same Church my family and I are members of (although in different locations in different cities-Memphis and Columbia) vote for these draconian punitive laws.
These lawyers probably don’t want the negative publicity fighting for this particular class of ex-offenders would bring. After all, the attorney that won a favorable ruling against the constitutionality of the Colorado S.O.R. recently received death threats after the ruling was published that declared the state S.O.R. unconstitutional on 8th Amendment grounds.
May 3, 2018 at 6:15 pm #39816
In Florida You Get Life For Peeing In A Park
The reason is very clear – there is no MONEY in it for them! Sadly I have discovered that love of justice and the law have nothing to do with lawyers – just the love of MONEY.
Really is as simple as that.
April 29, 2018 at 6:35 pm #39600
I think the core driving force behind the sex offender registry and the surrounding laws (beyond the law enforcement, politics, and money) is the total control over a group of people and which can be a model to encompass other groups of people and which can eventually be used to include general populations in every country in the world, thus bringing about the absolute control of people as seen in the book 1984. I don’t know who controls the world, but whoever does, wants to have the total control over the whole earth. Sex offenders are an easy target; mere sex offender label is enough to push average Americans to the days of Salem witch hunt. American people so easily forget that when the rights of one group of people is violated then that can be used as a precedence to cause the same fate to other groups. No one becomes safe because there is no shortage of bad labels, never was.
June 20, 2018 at 10:04 pm #42385
I agree it’s all a base for a larger database human population control plan. it’s just anouther version of the Chinese “good citizen score”..Anyone who has been a pariah long enough remembers there were many efforts in many states, including Michigan, to widen the noose to include all crimes. I find it funny the “public outcry” how the “registry is unconstitutional for all other crimes” which forced the politicians to back peddle so it only included those society felt it was acceptable to violate the constitution against.. It’s not time though.. Frog in the boiling water.. The water will slowly get hotter to include everyone..for every “faux” win there is a thousand losses..death by a thousand cuts…
May 1, 2018 at 11:29 am #39667
Edward A Nightingale
I agree. Some states require fees to register, which if costs is required. One ongoing penalty…unconstitutional. Being required to pay for the required polygraph…same issue. And last, the required counselor, paid for and in my case, they are on the sex offender assessment board
April 13, 2019 at 9:43 pm #54441
Society has ridiculous ideas about sex offenders because media has shaped it. Every offense is different and every child who is a victim is different. The most unfortunate thing is how society wants the perpetrators to pay dearly even if the victim does not. I know two victims who are more traumatized by the idea that their perpetrator recieved much harsher punishment than they ever wanted them to. Both of these victims have said many times they would give anything to not have told anyone. They both have talked about how they wish we could live in a world where that kind of crime was not punished but rather healed with them involved. Maybe we should actually listen to the victims in these cases as opposed to making one size fits all laws. And not let the victims be persuaded to hate their perpetrator in order to get better impact statements in court. Often times the victim does not hate the person who committed the horrible act but just wants the abuse to stop. But often by the time everyone around the victim projects their own feelings about the perpetrator onto the victim, the victim is now trying to please all the people who are supposed to be the victims support. Many years later this can lead to unbearable guilt. The 2 young women I referred to both had to begin counceling to learn that it was always ok to feel how they felt as opposed to how others thought they should feel. Sorry about the long rant. We are a long way from having laws that make sense regarding these issues. The media spreads untruths which causes fear and further untruths. They won’t tell you that out of all million or so sex offenders (released) in the U.S. very few are actually dangerous.
April 29, 2018 at 6:35 pm #39599
I have to agree with you, The fact of the matter is that children do not live with this trauma for the rest of their lives. It’s the parent’s that keep reminding them of it the rest of their lives. Kids are very resilient and given time they will get over it. The whole thing with the registry and the consoling and the ankle monitor and everything else is money and nothing else. That’s all they care about. They don’t care if children are safe or not because if they did they’d be watching every man in the whole world. Pretty soon they’ll put every male baby on the registry as soon as they are born.
April 30, 2018 at 3:57 pm #39640
As long as we have courts like the Illinois Supreme Court engage in blatant and I do mean BLATANT judicial and intellectual dishonesty (judicial activism) we’re not going to get anywhere. I pray S.C.O.T.U.S. will take up this issue on certiorari. The issue to which I’m referring is the infamous “Rational to base sex offender restrictions on false recidivism data). If the S.C.O.T.U.S. allows that ruling to stand….if they allow any lower court to KNOWINGLY base a decision on KNOWN FALSE EVIDENCE/INFORMATION then the whole of our justice system will be absolutely destroyed. Can you name any other type of case where KNOWN FALSE EVIDENCE is allowed into the record? As crooked as our courts are, I’m sure it happens more times than we can imagine, but in a majority of cases, I’m sure false evidence would never be allowed into the record. If it was allowed, I’m sure the case would be overturned at some level of the appellate process.
April 29, 2018 at 6:35 pm #39601
Children are very resilient and they are not going to live with trauma the rest of their lives. They are forced to live with the trauma by their parents and society. The parents can’t let it go so of course the child can’t either. Most kids will move on with their lives if just left to do so. T he government should keep their nose out of it. I’m sure putting men’s names on the registry won’t help the child get over it either. It only appeases the parent’s. Of course then the government won’t get all that money for bringing all these men to justice. What a laugh. I would rather live next door to a sex offender than a drug dealer or a murderer. Most sex offenders wouldn’t hurt anyone. What do drug dealers do. Get kids hooked on drugs and completely ruin their lives.
April 30, 2018 at 3:57 pm #39638
And drug dealers are gang bangers in most cases, so you might get shot and killed by a stray bullet because a rival gang did a drive-by on your drug-dealing neighbors.
April 30, 2018 at 3:57 pm #39643
Yes, children who are sexually abused do suffer life-long trauma. I am a parent of 2 sexually abused children. The trauma they live with and the struggles they face should never, ever be underestimated. Our family has gone through the challenge of much sexual acting out, suicide attempts, psychiatric hospitalizations, and more.
That said, lifetime punishment for the abuser does nothing to alleviate the pain a victim faces. I have met offenders who don’t realize the severity of their actions, and am very blunt (although civil and kind) about confronting them with my experiences.
Legal consequences should end once the sentence has been served. That’s how the justice system was designed to work. Adding onto consequences after the fact is not only wrong,but also a scary precedent to set for anyone.
April 30, 2018 at 4:24 pm #39653
Some children suffer trauma from anything longer than other children do. We cannot stereotype and say that all children do or that no children do. The factors of child sexual abuse are many and varied. No two people’s reaction to the same situation will be the same; children are people. One huge difference is the type of adult reaction a child receives afterward. Adults and therapists whose focus is on recovering from the abuse are helping the affected child do just that. “We will get through this” is a much more positive attitude than “Your life will never be the same.” Adults and therapists who basically feel that the child’s life is destroyed and that he or she is ruined forever are likely to be creating a self-fulfilling prophecy.
A very high percentage of child sexual abuse is committed by family members. Therapy and treatment that offer the opportunity for family reunification, when desired by all parties, seem to optimize healing and recovery for the both the victim and the perpetrator.
May 1, 2018 at 4:24 pm #39687
“ No two people’s reaction to the same situation will be the same…”
Sandy, you hit the nail on its head. We are quite an entertaining society (if we had a studio audience set up to watch our every move and every word) because we say one thing and do another. Then we do one thing and say another.
We will say that no two people’s response to a similar issue will be the same. Then, for CERTAIN issues we say EVERYONE’s response to it will be the same. We contradict ourselves every minute, just in THIS country.
I was nearly raped by an older man who was attempting to get me drunk at his apartment when I was 12/13-ish. A friend who had a feeling he knew where I was at such a late hour when my mother was looking for me basically came to my rescue.
I never told anyone but my friend about the incident and he confirmed that the guy tried the same thing with him a few days earlier.
I put it out of my mind and didn’t linger on it AT ALL.
And this incident had nothing to do with MY offense many many years later which was 100% consensual but illegal. My offense came from my own stupidity in feeling sorry for myself being a recent divorcée and being attracted to a young female for her very mature appearance.
But…. I’m sure if any S.O. treatment group or therapist ever knew about the incident that ALMOST happened to me when I was younger, they’d surely use it to say that THAT caused me to sexually offend. Ummm…no it didn’t.
We are literally programmed to believe that everyone handles bad situations in the worst ways and they need therapy/counseling etc.
I’m gonna go on a limb here and say that the girl in my offense case was probably more traumatized by the police investigators and her own parents than by the act of something natural to humans in their post pubescent life.
August 8, 2019 at 6:16 am #58827
Ray R Gonzales
I understand that there may be circumstances that this can work and is necessary but when you make laws and decisions based on sexual offender, you group a lot of people together. People who have been convicted of a lewd act or sex with a minor is clumped with child rapist and child molesters (repeat offenders). Some people have been convicted because they were peeing in public. In my situation, I was dating my boyfriend in high school he was months younger than I was. I turned 18, he decided to come out to his parents and he was 17. His parents wanted to blame me for converting their son into a deviant and had me charged with sodomy with a minor. So should I continue to be punished for me loving my best friend? Should I continue to be punished with these new laws that happened post my conviction? Offenses and charges are only seen as black and white. No one sees what led to that conviction. My conviction was back in 1997 and I am still paying for it in 2019. I just got my letter to revoke my passport and why the delay? No one can even tell me.
April 28, 2018 at 8:42 am #39517
over 800k of us problem is not enough fighters. It apprears reentry to the us is what it triggering the cancelation of passport.. two other cases in cali describe recently coming back. Other questions as far as I know illinois does not do the 21 day notification?
April 28, 2018 at 8:42 am #39518
The system can legally be brought down.. 800k that is larger than all armed forces.. 50k of us fly into mexico on the same day.. all of us make legal changes everyday overload the system.. I am not stupid nor an army of one.. I have found legal ways and loop holes to many countries on the list.. I am currently no longer on the registrery and living overseas.. But for my brothers still stuck in the us man up get organized and fight legally.
April 28, 2018 at 12:29 pm #39534
I wonder about this. I have a few years left on the registry and would love to leave the US when finished. This would be a great topic of discussion.
May 3, 2018 at 11:01 pm #39833
So what’s the purpose of your comment..??
You say you don’t live in the U.S. anymore and found countries that aren’t effected by the registry, but do not offer any list of the countries. In addition your idiotic comment about to man up means nothing…
May 4, 2018 at 2:14 am #39838
In addition to everything else… YOU RAN AWAY like a COWARD and have done nothing to help the cause like you tell others to..
You’re the very last person to be talking NONSENSE about manning up…
Get a life…
May 6, 2018 at 4:13 pm #39876
I said make legal changes everyday overload the system. I said 50k of of fly into mexico same day.. I will be attempting to fly into mexico in a few weeks. So far not one country on the list has not let me in. I have found some very good an creative ways and loop holes.
March 10, 2019 at 1:43 pm #53128
Thank you for your inspiring words.
I would like t know how you escaped the us though. I myself have heard that most countries will not accept a registered sex offender. ( that is as long as it does not jeapodize your security and safety that is).
April 28, 2018 at 7:29 pm #39570
I was a little confused with the letter. It states that a new passport would have to show that you are a registered sexual offender, but then the sentence after that says a sexual offender can not get a passport?
September 15, 2018 at 10:16 am #46517
Today, September 14th, I was taking a 3 day vacation to Aruba, as it is a safe place to visit for SOs, I notified by law the registration department, paid for my flight and hotel. I arrived at Fort Lauderdale International Airport. I arrived at my gate for departure. Right before boarding, the person at the Jet Blue Counter called my name out and asked me to come to the counter. There were 3 US Marshall’s there who told me to come with them. They pulled me aside, took my current Valid Passport, and told me that I was not going anywhere, That I must apply for a New Passport with the identifier on it. I was told to leave the airport. I live in Florida, and I have NEVER received and notification to return my passport and get a new one. I have always followed the laws, but something is wrong here. How can my passport be taken from me when it is Valid, current, and I have registered my trip. I was humiliated, embarrassed, and sick to my stomach, but scared that I had done something wrong. When will this all end???
April 27, 2018 at 2:48 pm #39448
The perpetrators in this case are members of the U.S. Congress, notably Representative Chris Smith (R-NJ) in whose district Megan Kanka’s parents reside. Their daughter was raped and murdered over 20 years ago by a convicted sex offender living in their neighborhood. Representative Smith continued pushing for this legislation for years and our U.S. Congress – Democrats, Republicans and Independents alike – passed the bill without even debating it. It is our government who chooses to oppress registrants by notifying foreign governments of selective criminal histories. Even though I had previously vacationed in Mexico, I was returned to the U.S. a couple of years ago, leaving my wife behind as I had hoped to return the next day. Silly me. When inquiring of my Senators, Kaine and Warner, they were unhelpful since “it was a Mexico decision”; however, that decision was based on an agent of the U.S. government notifying Mexico of my travel plans. At no point was I notified by anyone in the U.S. government that my wife and I would be subject to this punitive action. At the time of my travel, the State Department website made no mention of this restriction. It has been largely through the work of http://registranttag.org/resources/travel-matrix/ that we can be informed of potential disruptions of vacations abroad. This is just another worthless piece of legislation restricting the privileges of a maligned class. Like governments before, the hated class is branded with a scarlet letter, yellow star or some other nonsense.
April 27, 2018 at 2:48 pm #39450
Sadly America has learned nothing from the Nazis OR perhaps more accurately they have learn everything from them. Marginalize, demonize, segregate and use as a scapegoat to deflect anger from themselves to the artificially created sub-class labelled as “sex offenders”.
This disgraceful (and clearly unconstitutional) alteration of our international travel document is unprecedented in modern society – yes, the Nazis did it first to the Jews but I am not counting them as they were condemned worldwide.
So what about America aka the “land of the free”. Guess it’s time to update that slogan to “land of the free for some” – I am ashamed to be an American. This un-American profiling must stop!
April 27, 2018 at 4:28 pm #39458
I would highly question the legality of using the IML to be a revenue raising opportunity for the US government. If that stands, it is, in all respects, an illegal tax on a particular class of individual. The passports that most of currently hold were issued after our convictions, and therefore demonstrate boldly of a punishment imposed in violation of ex post facto constitutional provisions.
The IML itself, requiring that an “identifier” is added to the passport is objectionable enough, but requiring those affected to have to purchase a new passport when the existing one has not expired cannot be argued as anything other than a punishment. Any legal action taken to challenge this regulation should highlight this aspect of the government’s overreach.
The IML imposition is an extension against this class of offender from the section of the AWA that bans sponsorship of ANYONE if you fit in that class. It is part of a law intended to protect minors, but affects spouses and other relatives of any age. It is arguable whether that was the true intent of Congress (doubtful), but that is how the Immigration department chooses to interpret it. Emboldened by the manner Homeland Security enforced that provision of the AWA, they decided to attack the same class with the IML. Challenges to one of them are virtually identical to the other.
While I support all actions taken to challenge the AWA Sex Registry, I also understand that public sentiment in wanting to know where the “bad guys” are has warped the judicial interpretations of support for the registry. However, I am not so sure public opinion will extend to punishing this limited group and restricting their right to marry the person of their choice (a basic constitutional right). This is a constitutional violation that should be exploited for legal purposes. There is a possible benefit that may accrue in targeting this aspect of the AWA… according to all my research the Act does not have a severability clause. Thus if one part of the law can be found to be unconstitutional, then the entire Act would be in jeopardy.
April 27, 2018 at 10:50 pm #39495
I don’t think challenging this action as a tax would work. The government would argue that you don’t ever have to pay a red cent of that money if you don’t get a passport. They’ll further argue that sex offenders are intentionally dissuaded legally from obtaining a passport. That’s the whole idea; to make the process expensive and dangerous. There’s no guarantee how the authorities in another country would react to seeing someone branded as a child molester. I guarantee you no registrant in this country would ever be allowed to travel to countries where it is easy to have sexual contact with little kids and any real threat of action from law enforcement is absent.
April 27, 2018 at 10:56 pm #39501
Oh, I think there are PLENTY of people who would whole-hardheartedly support laws like this. “Think of the children! If it saves just one child it’s worth it!”
April 27, 2018 at 6:52 pm #39471
When I heard about the IML, before it was signed into law by the previous president, I renewed my existing passport and got the id card too. If I too receive a letter from the government demanding that I surrender said passport, I will seriously consider whether I actually will or not. I may just claim that I misplaced it. If it does come via certified mail, and a signature is required, I will simply refuse to sign it. These passports are expensive. If the government insists that they must be modified, then let the government pay for it! It is a frightening time to live in this country of ours, at least for those who carry the stigma that we carry. I am hopeful that the IML will be struck down as unconstitutional and that by hanging onto my passport, still good for another 8 years, I will save myself the hassle and expense of renewing the passport, not once but twice – once for the current IML requirements, and then again, when the current IML is struck down. I have a friend, also a registered citizen, who is planning on moving back to Columbia once his probation is complete. He can live a normal life there free of the overbearing and idotic laws regarding our status in the U.S. Maybe I should do the same – I qualify for dual citizenship in Germany. Then again, I’ve done ok for almost 3 1/2 years post-prison release and I hate to leave rather than fight the unjust laws we live under. Then again, I live paycheck to paycheck and ride very close to the edge – will I have a job tomorrow? A place to live? It’s a hell of a way to live…
April 27, 2018 at 6:53 pm #39470
I’m thinking this needs to be brought to the United Nations Council for Human Rights. There are complaint forms that can be filled out, and if an organization such as NARSOL were to submit it, I’m betting it would get some attention. It seems clear that the ACLU and HRW are not going to lift a finger to help, and apparently nothing less than a mass revolt here at home will get them to back off of those of us who are affected.
I’m sorry this happened to you. It seems that they are doing this on the basis of a person coming to the attention of DHS on return trips. Guess they’re too damn lazy to do the work.
I’m wondering if there is any case of one of us asking for asylum in a European country because of this. I’m thinking about applying for a residence permit just so I can give them their notice and not come back. I’m sure they can’t get their shit together quick enough to stop a person from relocating.
April 27, 2018 at 6:53 pm #39469
How is this just? I am floored that this is can exist. Definitely expostfacto. Did we not learn anything from the Nazis?!
April 27, 2018 at 10:50 pm #39496
Yeah, we did learn from the Nazis. That’s the whole problem. We learned too much too well. And the governmental officials get away with it.
April 27, 2018 at 6:56 pm #39468
I read in a post here that it’s doubtful that IML laws were made to directly affect all family members of RSOs. The truth is that lawmakers don’t care about the families of people in prison, past or present, and above all, they don’t care about collaterals who are the family members of RSOs. I know because I’m a collateral victim of the whole mess.
April 27, 2018 at 6:56 pm #39477
Facts should matter
Richard and Maureen Kanka are just defiling and debasing their daughter’s legacy and memory with these arrogant, selfish and narcissistic laws. The entire Kanka clan are bitter, in denial and have yet to move on after 25 years.
The legislative intent of all these feckless laws will always be patently unobtainable. Sorry to say, but Megan’s “legacy” will always be a fraudulent scam.
This is absolutely ridiculous at this point.
April 27, 2018 at 6:57 pm #39467
Has anyone seen this ‘endorsement’ stupid stamp yet, where it is on the passport? Is it on the back page, on another page in the book? It would be really nice to see what it looks like – as long as it is not on main first page, where everyone looks, it may not be as bad. I haven’t seen anything about the passport card – you can only use those for Canada and Mexico, which are pretty much pointless, BUT, they are legal ID that can be used in place of the book in certain places. I doubt they will issue new cards, but if you have one, hang on it it, if anything, just as ID when a stamp is not required.
there are cases being fought right now, but in the best hope is getting off the registry before this changes, it will be years before IML is struck down.
April 27, 2018 at 10:56 pm #39502
The revocation letter, which I received last week after returning from Europe, requires the “immediate” return of the passport book and passport card. The passport card will not be re-issued, it says.
April 27, 2018 at 6:58 pm #39466
If it’s indeed ex post facto law the best course is to hire a good attorney and take it to court in your federal district.
April 27, 2018 at 6:59 pm #39464
What are the possible repercussions and/or the punishment if the passport is not returned as requested or not returned within an acceptable time frame? What is an acceptable time frame other than immediately? I see no guidance online.
NOT advocating for delaying the passport return, but folks need to understand the consequences of not complying as required.
April 27, 2018 at 7:51 pm #39484
The only thing I can say is that “If It Isn’t Broken The US Government Will Fix It Until It Is Completely Broken” The government will continue “Fix Things” as long as it exists. Its gonna be a long fight.
April 27, 2018 at 9:35 pm #39490
This is on the same order as what SOs must endure in Illinois with respect to their driver’s license registration. Once you pass the test, the ordinary citizen doesn’t have to take it again until he or she reaches 85 years old, when you must start taking it and renewing it every single year instead of just coming in to register(or simply mailing it in) and then leaving. An SO of any age must not only take the written test, but the driving test every single year! If you happen to also own and ride a motorcycle, you have to take that test every single year also; and that test is rigged for even an ordinary citizen to fail because the state wants you to take the courses in motorcycle safety taught by the University of Illinois. If one is an RSO, you have to take that motorcycle course every single year. What purpose does all this serve except additional punishment for your one mistake many years before?
The same MO operates with the cottage sex offender “treatment” industry that operates in every state in the union. The process incentivizes collusion and corruption between the treatment providers and parole or supervisory officers because all the captive clientele patients must not only pay cash for treatments, but outrageous sums for polygraph tests. Despite the SCOUS decision in Cruzan v. Director, Missouri Dept of Health, where it was established that the refusal of treatment is a fundamental constitutional right. The whole polygraph thing also violates the Fifth Amendment-no matter, judges pettifog all of it until the Bill of Rights completely disappears and millions of it can only lament in sack coth and ashes as our lives and the lives of our families are destroyed, or so severely diminished that any difference between the two terms is meaningless.
April 27, 2018 at 10:56 pm #39500
There have been multiple rulings AGAINST sexual history polygraphs on grounds that they violate the registrant’s 5th Amendment right to be free from compelled self-incrimination.
Look these court rulings up in your spare time:
United States v. Lawrence Antelope
United States v. Von Behren
United States v. Bahr (No. 12-30218)
Dansby v. Texas
People v. Guatney
People v. Roberson (Colorado Supreme Court)
United States v. Lawrence Antelope was the precedent-setting case in our favor when it comes to the sexual history polygraph.
April 27, 2018 at 11:56 pm #39509
I made the mistake of getting my passport a few months after my release from prison in 2008 which means it expires this summer either in July or August. My SOR ends in June and my probation ends in September (due to a violation which ended up taking 120 days to beat and pushed my probation period from ending in June to ending in September.
My question (if anyone knows the answer) is this: If your registration period ends and you come off your state’s SOR, when you update or get a passport AFTER you no longer have to register as an S.O., will they still stamp it with the scarlet letter?
December 24, 2018 at 7:50 pm #50308
I was wondering about this as well so I researched it just last night. The law very clearly states if you are no longer required to register in any state, you are not subject to the passport marking or the notification to other countries.
April 27, 2018 at 11:56 pm #39507
Here is the correction..
1st THE STAMP does not and is not required to identify you to other countries of travel. It is only an additional mark of shaming to brand you and to make sure your passport is absolutely useless. It is an added intimidation technique.
A. when you travel your information is scanned at every port and at every kiosk and already contains all the information
B. and also the American government already sends an email out regarding you AS SOON as you leave American soil telling other countries you are an undesirable and pose a risk to their citizens by virtue of being a registered sex offender.
C. If you doubt what I tell you I was given a copy of the information from the country I reside in. And yes the US government actively, every 6 months you are not in America emails and harrasses what ever country you escape to telling them you are a threat and danger to the community with no evidence that of other then the registry. I was convicted 20 years ago of meeting an underage girl in a card at the door tavern and am now an “international threat to society”
April 27, 2018 at 11:56 pm #39508
This is very interesting situation to say the least. Especially since most other countries try to rid their countries of Felons, no matter whom they are.
Lets examine, for example, the Muriel Boat Lift where CUBA sent a lot, something like 125,000 convicted Felons to the United states, in 1980.
see article here:
The USA on thee other hand has policies in place that seem to want to keep Felons here so that they can provide more ex post facto punishment.
I am a convicted Sex offender, Registered here in Florida, and there was never a child involved, only an officer in a sting situation that “said that he had a child”. So lets keep in step with the FEDS to try and repunish all registered Felons for the rest of their lives.
Makes since NOT, to me.
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April 28, 2018 at 8:42 am #39519
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I, too, am neing punished ex post facto. They changed a law governing post release supervision in NC making my term 5 years and not 9 months, wich i agreed to in my plea.
My only recourse is to hire an attorney and sue the state to force them to comply with the constitution.
I am a disanled combat veteran and this hurts me on many levals as i swore to uphold the constitution and such.
I am not even aloud to start a group action because i am not premited to be in contact with other SOs. (Violation of due process)
April 28, 2018 at 8:42 am #39515
I recently traveled from Florida USA to Malta, Italy and Sicily with my new RSO Passport. I volunteered to call the Italian and Maltese Policia as it was not required by Federal Law to do so. When I got to ROMA a Airport Official commented that USA is paranoid of its own people. I told him my adjudication was withheld and they still require conviction even though I have no felony. He laughed and said America is crazy! Quite frankly if you travel to a Country that is high on the list for sex Trafficing, you may be denied although I cannot confirm this has ever happened. We are still free to travel enough though crazy Megans Law says we are Monsters. The reality is at least in Italy they realize whom the monsters really are, Politicians! I’m appealing since I was never convicted as what a conviction is defined of. But nobody else said a thing about it… travel as you will.
April 30, 2018 at 10:41 am #39626
Jev, good to hear you were allowed in and out of Italy. My son dreams of visiting Italy, learning our heritage, yet I am reluctant to save all that money for travel only to be turned away at a country and forced to return home. As with many, jobs are hard to come by with background checks the norm, and starting own business takes times to earn a living.
Concerning most debates, it seems to me that MOST of the laws are based on the original false belief of offenders being at high risk of re-offending. That’s what comes out of mouths of most legislatures, and is even in the opening lines of the NC statutes. The more that accurate statistics are put out there, and as more of the ridiculous statutes are known (becoming sex offender for urinating in public in some states), the more it will help.
I do not have the money to hire an attorney to fight. NC statutes say I can come off, except for that one pesky line of complying with SORNA. Is it possible to directly sue the federal government and SORNA? That seems to be what is behind many harsher state laws?
Also, I don’t think saying kids are resilient is ever an argument for less harsh restrictions. While I understand where you are coming from (people who posted that), it seems callous and the uninformed will just use that against offenders. And, because it does seriously affect many children for a long time. I know, as my child was molested as a young boy, and now as a teen, as memories flood him, he is depressed, suicidal, and I’m spending every penny I have on therapy just to keep him alive.
I am on the registry. I also recognize there are different levels of offenses, different levels of crimes. Ultimately, I think sentences, etc should be based on individual crimes, not lumping us all together as “evil child-snatching pedophiles”, which is what statutes do.
April 28, 2018 at 8:42 am #39516
Robin I have to agree with you and Fred sort of hit this one also with its basically about a money issue. Sure money is the root to all evil or the love there of. This pass port thing and all this is like a 666 number on all those that are caught up in these operations. Its just an ordiance. Today as I see it, it is up to us to step up and seek change in a lot of these issues and that is our unalienable right. Course I never checked a human cannonball on a flight to Egypt. Course one could revoke your life if one bends down to them but we have to be lawful.
If you all really think about a lot of this registry it is a cheap form of government trying to be more righteous than those whom they govern. In the end who gets the fickled finger of fate award from laugh-in or should I say the fraud finger of fate. And the winner is The United States for ignoring the rights of many americans, to not to be defrauded in these woopie internet sting ordeals.
Now I know some ordeals do involve real kids and teens but working together we can all seek true justice.
April 28, 2018 at 12:26 pm #39537
Just keep in mind that people who support this harassment deserve to be punished. They are not Americans. They are not your neighbors. They are criminal, harassing terrorists who cannot mind their own business or leave other people alone. Their intent is to harm people, their spouses, and their children.
April 28, 2018 at 12:26 pm #39535
As I read the letter from the State Dept, it states that “covered sex offenders cannot be issued U.S. passport cards.”
Is that to mean that the person that committed some offenses cannot be issued a passport?
April 29, 2018 at 7:44 am #39585
even if a couple countries may still allow you travel, and many of them will NOT…when you travel as an American citizen your life is now endangered internationally by your own government..Prior to the “red marks of shame” only the government agencies with passport scanning who would need to know would know of your past.(not that they even needed that since the US government actively emails them and asked them to not allow you entry) . NOW you want to book a hotel?, a hostel, you want to board a boat? conduct business?,you want to do banking?in some places to get a taxi or go to a casino? all of these places will now know “selectively intimidating” information about you deliberately tailored to inspire fear and panic…fantastic opportunity for the unscrupulous to refuse you service,bully,intimidate,attack, or as is often the case to charge you bribery fees… it is not only the government’s you need to fear now but every single place of commerce that will later require your passport..and lets not even get started with local police agencies which are often corrupted any ways.. The American government has deliberately placed an international bullseye on you and placed your life in danger. If you do not believe so then travel to the asian countries.. Even if they do let you in many of them “pass your information on” where later their immigration departments and police shake you down for extortion and often much worse. you may just disappear.
April 29, 2018 at 7:44 am #39586
Operation Angel Watch is an intelligence-driven program targeting registered sex offenders traveling abroad who ICE believes are likely to engage in child sex tourism. By evaluating patterns and trends, ICE identifies high risk countries to compare with the travel plans of persons included in sex offender registry. Since the inception Operation Angel Watch, nearly 300 suspected CST perpetrators have been identified. In 2007, Angel Watch sent 1,700 leads to 100 countries.
This is what Wikipedia says about (DHS/ICE/HSI/AWC) Angel Watch. Therefore Scott must be a suspected CST perpetrator. This is what the general public is being told and will believe.
April 29, 2018 at 6:35 pm #39596
Mr. Timothy D.A. Lawver
Project Angel Watch Administration to be housed and operated out of NSA facility in Utah. I am wondering if any readers believe this is a coincidence? If so have a look over at eff.org. The Prysm programs, whereby our FED has been called out for the collections of metadata about all Americans started. It cannot be understated, this is an important clue! 702.
Alaska V Doe underlying purpose. Constitutional implications discerning :Uses of data and databases versus individual liberty. Individual’s liberty lost and Big Data and Big nanny government won. See Will Basser over at SOSEN.org. All proof positive that to get anything done in D.C. an entity must placate to basic groups. Big business & Big labor. Of course in the American tradition of helps to grease the wheels by throwing a bone to the trial lawyers.
IML defies the establishment clause. RE:Public. IML regulation applies to citizens but works against the liberty of taxpayers within the constituency for those outside. Plain nutz! How much brain drain can a nation stand.
Congress defends those who do not vote for them. Congress Acts to defend outsiders. AND NO PRESS COVERAGE!
April 29, 2018 at 8:49 pm #39612
And while wasting their time on people who have a sex offense record, the ones with no criminal record are laughing their way to those countries to have sex with kids.
April 29, 2018 at 6:35 pm #39597
For one thing this should NOT be. It should not be ok to put on anyone’s passport that this person is a Sex Offender, or anything else. This should fall under our 5th amendment our right to liberty. It would also be our 1st amendment that we could file a grievance because this is taking away our freedom. The thing that I don’t understand is why just Sex Offenders. Is it because of Chris Smith a republican, US Representative who lives in New Jersey, who overreacted to the out cry of the people.The Laws changed in NJ just a few weeks after Megan’s death in 1994 and continued to change from State to Federal. It is not Megan or her family that is to blame. Megan was a sweet innocent victim of a man who had major mental problems that were never addressed. Her family loved her, and what happened to her should not have happened. I have made contact with Maureen, Megan’s mother in my time of grieve with what was happening to my grandson. She didn’t agree with what all was occurring. So what I learned was it was our law makers who are making all the calls. And whoever said that it is 800,000 on the Registry that this is effecting, is not taking into consideration that on a daily basis more are added and have been added to this number since it was last posted several years ago. There are also family and friends that are involved with the person who is being Labeled for life. We are all effected by the terrible laws that are put on normal people who made mistakes that involved Sex.
April 29, 2018 at 8:49 pm #39613
Can anyone answer my inquiry about the passport situation AFTER we come off our state registries?
April 29, 2018 at 8:54 pm #39616
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Our present understanding of how the law is being applied would free you of having your passport marked/stamped with a unique identifier once you are no longer on a registry. But that does not mean that Angel Watch wouldn’t take steps to notify a receiving nation about your prior conviction which has been happening for quite a while regardless of the unique identifier.
April 30, 2018 at 3:57 pm #39644
Thanks for that info.
Regarding this “Angel Watch” ridiculousness, I have another inquiry…. if a country’s law is that the legal age of sexual consent is (for an example only) 14 (post pubescent), how does Angel Watch have any jurisdiction to say a person cannot or should not be able to travel to such country?
Wouldn’t that be the same as saying none of us can travel to Nevada to go to the Bunny Ranch where prostitution is legal? Because prostitution is obviously ILLEGAL throughout the rest of the USA. So it’s like saying “If you already live in Nevada, you’re golden to go have sex with the ladies at the Bunny Ranch. But, if you’re traveling from another state to come to the Bunny Ranch, we’re gonna do all we can to stop you.”
Isn’t it basically the same thing with someone traveling who has a sexual offense?
Enlighten me, please.
May 1, 2018 at 11:29 am #39670
If you are off the registry, then you should not have to give travel notification.
If you don’t have to give travel notification, then you should be free to travel internationally sans INTERPOL Green Notice being sent about you from Angel Watch like had happened during registry.
If Angel Watch is still sending INTERPOL requests to send Green Notices, then they must be watching the flight manifests of all outbound flights to do so.
What legal grounds do they stand on then if they do this as described?
May 3, 2018 at 11:01 pm #39831
a man without a country
See my post above, dated the same as this.
May 3, 2018 at 11:01 pm #39832
a man without a country
I moved overseas after being released from probation in 2003. I actually got a job overseas and was released from probation a little early. The police department where I was registered said (at that time) I would no longer be on the state’s registry. I thought THAT was the end of THAT.
In 2010, my last surviving parent had moved to another state and my old driver’s license needed to be renewed. I visited him for a couple weeks, renewed my DL, and then came back to my adopted home overseas. I did not know until he died that the local gestapo had started harassing him and watching his home from the road after I was no longer there. Still, I thought THAT was the end of THAT.
In 2013, my last surviving parent died, after which I made four trips back in four years to try to deal with his estate. The only problems were the last couple of times when I landed in the US. Delayed or questioned a few minutes. Nothing more than that. I did have a return ticket to come back “home” after a month.
This year, I needed to fly back one more time, but I was denied boarding at the airport here by an Asian carrier because I would not be allowed to TRANSIT in that carrier’s hub airport in another Asian country for a couple hours before flying on back to the US. I wound up surprising the wife when I was back at our front door after having been gone only thirty minutes (to the airport) instead of back after a month’s trip.
NOW, I am wondering what will happen when I have to go to the US Consulate to do paperwork with them before going to local immigration renew my retirement visa to stay here with my family and where there has been no problem for over fourteen years. Something came up when my passport was scanned at the airport check-in in February. Will our consulate demand I turn over my passport a couple days before I have to go to this country’s immigration? Will they just “add” the “endorsement” to my passport which is good for a couple more years? Will the local immigration officials already have a new warning to deport me when I go try to stay here another year? regardless of what that’ll do to my family here (as I am their only financial support) and my own health needs (my health has pretty much restricted me to staying at home 24/7 with occasional trips to the doctor’s office and the grocery store).
I’m shaking even as I write this. I haven’t been much of a drinker the last twenty years, but I sure could use a strong belt this morning…
May 8, 2018 at 8:25 am #39989
Man Without a Country,
I am in a similar situation as you and have been living abroad for 14 years. My passport was renewed in 2011. Since IML has passed I remain somewhat paranoid about when the walls will come crashing down. This summer I am going to visit my mom and already have my ticket to come back. I’m figuring that it could be then that I am denied entry into the country I live in even though I have residence here.
Late last year I traveled to another country right after IML was implemented. I could not find out any information, so I ended up calling one of my senator’s offices. I was told by them that my passport would be valid until it expires and then I would need to get the new one (they obviously were lied to by someone).
April 30, 2018 at 10:41 am #39624
These are the kind of laws invented by close minded conservatives hell bent on bringing back the likes of apartheid and the Holocaust. I’m telling ya, if the exact things they do to us were motivated by race and not the fact that we committed sex crimes, the punishments / sanctions we endure would be illegal as all hell. We’re lynched, discriminated against, segregated, denied services, banned from public places, jailed repetively for issues related to our civil disability. I could go on and on with this but we’ve seen this story before and know it well. It’s basically a repeat of the pre King civil rights era redirected in modern time to a specific set of people justified by law, public fear and outrage. If this passport dilemma was my story, I’dve went to Italy and renounced my citizenship. The United States doesn’t stand for freedom and is a hipocracy of itself when it allows s__t like this to stand. I can’t believe we fought hard for civil rights 50 years ago only to revert back to segregationist roots. That Jim Crow crap is not what America is about. My advice to those with the means to go abroad, we need to boycott the United States until they remember what freedom and liberty and Justice for all is really all about.
April 30, 2018 at 11:44 pm #39654
Scott dumb question, but does the certified letter has your name on it? I received a certified letter in the mail; however, it did not have my name so I returned it back to the sender. Now that I think about it, I wonder if that’s what it was as I did just return from Europe trip as well; however, strange thing it does not have my name on the certified letter. Since then I have not heard anything back. Does that my passport is “invalidated” now if say it’s been revoked but I did not sign for the letter if that ‘no-name’ certified letter indeed was for this nonsense revocation thing?
May 3, 2018 at 7:57 am #39805
The letter was addressed to me and has my passport number in it. I blacked out my address and passport number in the letter just to have some degree of privacy.
May 3, 2018 at 8:52 pm #39824
Sorry Scott I wasn’t clear. I meant the brown slip certified paper. Does it has your name on it, or just the address?
May 1, 2018 at 9:48 pm #39696
I have a question though. On the letter, that was posted above, the first page at the bottom, the last sentence at the bottom, tends to lead me to believe that a RSO applying for a passport will automatically denied.
At https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/22/51.60 section g states: The Department shall not issue a passport card to an applicant who is a covered sex offender as defined in 22 U.S.C. 212b(c)(1).
but at https://www.uscis.gov/ilink/docView/22CFR/HTML/22CFR/0-0-0-1/0-0-0-2898/0-0-0-3335.html
it is not even listed.
So, was this a new section that was added that the last two urls do not know about (though they are gov’t sites)? More so, does this subsection mean what I think it means? That a passport will not even be given even with the identifer? I am confused. Can someone clear this up?
December 25, 2018 at 6:27 pm #50319
A passport card will not be issued because there is not room for the “endorsement” on the passport card.
May 9, 2018 at 12:12 am #40106
WHAT IT’S ABOUT:
Money and power……yes.
Prior to SCOTUS ruling on Alaska’s version of the Whetterling act the citizenry were protected, via wire tapping laws, from being survieled en masse. AT&T was powerful enough to make it law state needed warrant.The child assaulted with sexual nature were the only group the law applied to. This was the main reason why it was upheld..against ex post..The special interest. THE DATABASE V INDIVIDUAL LIBERTY. This is the first time America has experimented with used of the database to effect social change. Registration is not really registration! It differs in many ways from registering for the draft.
SOR is plain indenture. Indentured servants must update the machine ( albeit indirectly). Like any machine it be property. Upon or through the use of the machine state makes claim upon characterization of level of evil to a man. A direct implication of morality on public display. It resembles the pillory and some folks use it as such.
If a state can by legal authority enslave a man to a machine then state is free to as it pleases with a database. Hence we’ve seen the used of N SA databases first built in Utah in the early 1990s. (EFF.org) In those computers biometric data is contain on every US citizens, even non felons. Gov’tabuse already been called to the carpet on that misuse of a database.
If by manning up you mean opting for trial in registration cases…I’m for that!
July 19, 2018 at 10:39 pm #43703
I’m glad I found this thread. I am a registered SO and have been traveling outside the US for a few months. I recently crossed a boarder in South America, and to my surprise, I was told that my passport was “revoked”. I I had no idea why, as I had finished my mandatory supervision and left the country on vacation/search of a new “home”. After an hour of hassling, providing additional ID/contact info(and fear that I was going to be detained/deported), the kind immigration official stamped my passport and allowed me to cross the boarder. However, he did say (in rapid Spanish) that I need to go to the US consulate upon arriving. I have yet to do so…After doing some research, I’ve put the pieces together and can take a wild guess that my “passport revocation” letter arrived at my former residence while I’ve been away. My problem now is that I want to do the right thing(with little/no choice), turn in my passport, and apply for a new one with this “endorsement”, which is apparently printed inside the back cover, but I DO NOT want to return to the good old USA. Any thoughts? Thanks in advance
July 20, 2018 at 8:18 am #43712
adam you can contact me firstname.lastname@example.org I have been living outside of the us for over 2 years now.. Just in June i applied at an embassy outside us and got a passport card.. I am off probation but still under 10 year regidstertion.. I have moved out of us so i dont need to register.. You’re problem is you did not check out.. u are still registered showing you are living in us for them to send that letter? If you let the registry know u moved then tell the embassy you are not covered because u are not required to register.
August 30, 2018 at 3:36 pm #45780
Hey everyone; so, I was kind of backed into a corner and had to apply for a new(yes, completely new) endorsed passport. I just received it today and here’s the deal: the endorsement is printed on page 51, but I don’t know if they included it on the digital chip. I’ll assume the worse, but was wondering if anyone knows for a fact. I’m currently out of the country and will be crossing a boarder soon, so I may find out.
September 10, 2018 at 8:58 am #46237
As a follow-up, I successfully crossed a land border in South America without any issues. I wonder if it will be any different if/when I enter another country through an airport, but I’ll worry about that another day.
September 6, 2018 at 2:33 pm #46048
I had my passport revoked earlier in the year and am wondering if anyone has already been through this and applied for a new one? Can someone tell me which form to use when re applying? I’m assuming it will be the DS-11 but would like to know for sure so I don’t get delayed or denied on it.
September 10, 2018 at 8:58 am #46235
Bruce, as mentioned above, I just went through this (BS) process. You will have to apply for a new passport(using the DS-11) as if you never had one before. No, it doesn’t make any sense(since they already have all of your info), but that’s the US gov’t for you…
May 7, 2019 at 11:10 am #55368
Why is no one concerned about being flagged upon arrival at destination and being sent back to origin? The indentifier is problematic as it is, but to have scheduled and paid for a trip, only to be apprehended and forced to return to the US is my real fear in this unfair legislation. Am I correct in the assumption of this protocol? Thank you.
May 25, 2019 at 4:59 pm #56171
Upon my return from the Caribbean to the USA, at JFK, in February this year, my passport was confiscated by an officer, who told me that I was a SO and my passport had been revoked. He was not nice. I was detained for about an hour; the officer questioned me for about 20 minutes (In the past I’ve been detained and question for up to 3 hours upon arrival to the USA). The officer refused to answer my questions as to why my passport was revoked and he didn’t give me a receipt, paper or document about his action, even though I asked him for it. It looked like I had no right to that. I was escorted to a room where my luggage was searched and I was questioned again by customs. When I arrived to Massachusetts, my final destination, I went to a lawyer and we concluded it was due to the new international Megan Law everybody is talking about. I immediately submitted a complain via DHS-trip. It’s been 3 months and they have not answered my complain. Once again, I concluded I have no right to even getting an answer. Finally, my lawyer advised me to apply for a new passport, the one with the stigmatizing statement. It is troubling for me because my wife still leaves abroad, she doesn’t have a visa to travel to the USA, so I know this is going to affect us greatly.
This new law is a shame, like many others. It puts all of us SOs in the same box. I was caught in a sting operation, while talking over the internet with an undercover police officer who portrayed herself as a 14 years old girl. My first and only offense of any nature 10 years ago. The greatest mistake of my life. I have passed all polygraphs and underwent 5 years of treatment and probation. But, obviously that’s not enough for the system. I understand they blind themselves to whatever the consequences laws like these bring to us, because 1) they believe people (voters) are ok with whatever additional punishment to registered SOs. They will always make people believe that communities, especially children are safer if all SOs, including those who follow the rules and are doing well, get more containment and stigma. 2) we SOs, are a weak voice in our society when it comes to defend ourselves, because the other side will always make the case of the victims to sound stronger, and that is true in many cases. However, we still have a voice. Despise our mistakes, we are human beings, US citizens, family members, contributing members of our society and most of us are living up to greater standards and follow the rules of this country, including those that are unfair and nonsense. Furthermore, we vote and have family and friends who, in most cases support us and they vote too. About 1 million of us are “forced” to register and hundreds of thousands had been in the registry before. That’s a force.
This is what I want to do and invite each one affected by this International Megan Law to do:
1. Write a letter to each senator in the US senate, there are 50. They created and support this law. Their addresses are available online. You can also send an email, but they are less effective. In fact, staff members just put most emails somewhere and you just get an automated response. Letters get more attention than e-mails. You’ll be investing about 25 dollars in stamps, envelopes and paper, and some hours of work.
2. Write your story as it happened when your passport was confiscated, or you were deported, harassed, humiliated for no reason other than the International Megan Law. Tell them how this is affecting you emotionally, personally, in your family, business, etc. Tell them how this is not making children or the community any safer. I’ve seen so many examples of good stories in this website and others. It is important to be honest and tell the truth. You will only need to write your story once and change names and addresses on each additional copy.
3. Tell them about other devastating stories like yours and where to find them. There are hundreds of them published online. But, I assure you, like your story, they know little or nothing about it. Choose just some of those that are impacting and look truthful to you.
4. Ask them questions such as, how many sex tourism crimes have been stopped by deporting, embarrassing and stigmatizing US citizens like you, who are not committing any crime and they cannot present any proof of any intention of you committing a crime by traveling abroad. How many countries are doing the same to their citizens, like stigmatizing them with shameful identifiers? If the purpose of the law is to protect children from sex tourism (that’s what the law says) shouldn’t those who commit such crimes be the target of the law? etc, etc, etc.
5. Ask them to revise and replace the International Megan Law for something that won’t hurt and punish those who are playing by the rules and abiding by the laws, while fighting sex tourism and protecting children at the same time. Tell them that those who are living healthy lives should be encouraged to continue to do good in this world instead of getting more punishment and stigma just because the system throw a blanket to all SOs who have committed an offense to a minor despise his or her level of risk.
That’s what I plan to do and I will appreciate any advice or input. If somebody convince me that doing this is a waste of time, I wont do it. I know that thousands of us are affected and have so much to say. If every senator gets at least 1,000 letters in the coming months, I’m assuming we could at least call their attention and possibly open the doors for further discussions of this matter. That’s what I think. Thanks.
May 29, 2019 at 9:42 am #56276
Yes, Sid. This is my concern. I have a planned trip to an I
All inclusive resort with a very
Argue group of family and friends and fear that I will be turned away at our destination. I just received the revocation letter and intend to reapply; however, I also fear not only losing money on this trip but having to endure to grueling questioning, the frustration of returning and planning travel, and explaining to friends and family why this is happening.
I know in general Mexico, Cancun, etc. are generally acceptable, but I’ve also heard of authorities rejecting SOs at the airport.
Any help would be appreciated.
July 22, 2019 at 7:22 am #58325
I recently applied and received my passport in June of 2019. Why is the government not running checks on every applicant and issuing passports with the bearer originally? My passport arrived and has no bearer. I am a level 1 in the wonderful state of NY . I assume when I go on my vacation I will be detained at some point. My passport will be confiscated and I will have to reapply. However I followed the law , notified of NYSOR of my trip details. Unfortunately there is laws created out of fear and ignorance and we must followed them. I put my self in this situation , i had an relationship with an underage female. I wish it was different but it is what it is..
September 16, 2019 at 6:52 pm #59917
I am rso in state that does not put all registrant online(only level 2 and up). I have taken many cruises without any issue.
I have cruise planned soon and was told by CSL officer no international trip will be approve without a new passport with the designation.
I did call the state dept about new passport but have got any answer yet as I am not sure how to apply for the passport.
That said, I plan to travel using my Driver license and Birth Certificate. I checked with TSA and Cruse line. Travel to U.S territory does not require passport. Close-loop cruises do not require passport either. Some cruise line stops rso from boarding if they find out by searching a registry i believe. So I plan not to renew passport as i will not be traveling internationally until off this requirement.
September 16, 2019 at 6:53 pm #59919
I believe ny does not place level on internet. I believe the gov’t relies on the national online db to track this, becasu ei never go a passport cancel letter either.
If travel to other US territory Hawaii. V.I or Puerto Rico, you don’t need a passport. Also for cruise leaving and returning to U.S port you do not need passport. The cruise line send you a letter in advance that your cruise is cancelled if they find out you are rso. Some do and some don’t
December 3, 2019 at 7:26 am #62422
It seems that everyone has the notion that we are pure evil. There are some with some logic but the majority of people want to see us executed. I was telling a friend that even murderers have a better future than a sex offender. These people should be thankful that the victim wasn’t killed to keep them silent. I am also surprised that there aren’t more murders of young and older victims. Actually when one stops and thinks about it, the perp isn’t the monster everyone sees them as. It used to piss me off really bad in prison when a murderer would wish sex offenders dead yet these animals took a human life and want leniency. But they get it and we get the axe. I wonder why it doesn’t have the date of our crimes on the registry page? Would you really think logical thinking people would say why is this person on this when they haven’t been in trouble for over 25 years. It makes one think.
December 4, 2019 at 6:34 pm #62465
I wanted to thank you for this post! it has been a huge relief to me to understand it better.
May 7, 2020 at 2:40 pm #72011
All offenses involving minors are not created equal, so to have a blanket stamp such as this one, is misleading. For instance, I was a 25 year old male, who had a brief relationship with a girl (claiming to be 19) but ultimately 16. Almost 20 years later, I am still dealing with this stigma and now have my passport revoked and required to get a new one, with information on it that doesn’t tell the complete story of what actually happened.