Passport requirement casts wide net, imposes badge of shame

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      Robin Vander Wall
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      By Jacob Sullum . . . The notice, which will appear on the second-to-last page of U.S. passports, is officially known as an “endorsement,” but it is m
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      brian

      Its time to man up, 800,000 of us. grow a pair and get involved

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        JEV

        Most are sitting back and crying about it! Most don’t do anything! Most are afraid to tell anyone about what happened. The cops and probation told me, don’t tell anyone anything. I did the opposite. Once I explained to everyone about my crime, most understood. Lawyers will tell you your goose is cooked.. they tell you to move away and hide. I say we all need a Leader on the Homefront to guide us through these unlawful unconstitutional crazy extra Punishments long after our sentences have been completed. Nobody is going to come to our rescue, nobody will help us except ourselves. Its time to rise up and fight… at all levels! JEV /FAC

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        Timothy Svea

        Such blatantly unjust laws underscore the cultural puritanism of American society. I think one way of recovering lost civil rights is to emigrate. Who would I contact about that? Some lawyers specialize in immigration laws to the USA but I don’t know of any who specialize both in emigration and international sex offender laws.

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          Tim L

          The last gasp of our religious right. And people think the first database was built in UTAH just cause.

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            Jonny everyman

            I know the right wing doesn’t care for us but this law was signed by Obama

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            Fred
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            Obama signed it after it was passed unopposed by the Republican controlled Congress. Even if he wanted to veto it, Congress would simply over-ride his veto by 2/3 of the vote.

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            Joseph

            I used to love Obama, but since I’ve learned about this bulls*#t, I have nothing but contempt for the man. Every time I see him on TV I just want to tell him what a POS he is for doing this to me.

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            Tim L

            Jonny
            Let us not confuse who owns the plantation with those who runs it!

            Consider data as a ball of cotton on a cotton plant. Sex offenders in this analogy are the pickers of the commodity. They are legally bound to provide the data\cottonball to the DOC agent. Sex offenders are indentured servants. The agent in this analogy is really no different than the wagon master in the old south. His job is to gather the commodity efficiently as possible in bulk and deliver it to market. If he were to find one ore more of the servants delinquent in delivery or effort, a punishment results upon the slave.

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        Joseph

        I have made a generous contribution to NARSOL’s foundation Vivante Espero to help fund the fight against the atrocity committed by the government against its own citizens. When I see that they have filed a petition against the State of Georgia to challenge the sex offender registry law as punitive and ex post facto, I will make an even greater donation.
        Everybody who cares about their situation should do the same.

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        Alan R Hyde

        hello all..
        “The bearer was convicted of a sex offense against a minor,” it says, “and is a covered sex offender pursuant to 22 United States Code Section 212b(c)(l).”
        The scary notation, which was revealed this week, is the State Department’s response to a 2016 law requiring that the passports of certain registered sex offenders include a “unique identifier” to help maintain their status as pariahs wherever they travel. Although the warning is supposedly aimed at stopping sexual predators from abusing children in other countries, it will mark the passports of many people who pose no such threat.

        Now, since when the Official Record DOSE NOT Accurately Represent the Official Disposition of a Court in a Criminal Matter and which a unique identifier would be listed on your passport. I would now class this as FRAUD..
        fraud meaning in law…. Fraud is generally defined in the law as an intentional misrepresentation of material existing fact made by one person to another with knowledge of its falsity and for the purpose of inducing the other person to act, and upon which the other person relies with resulting injury or damage.
        I would have this identifier because the court of the court failed to do their job.
        Oh? records show your convicted.. but the clerk failed to show the order of the court.
        I have it and what is so much better the court house can show as well. I plan to list which the Order has.

        ” ALL Other relief requested by any party herein, and not granted in this order is expressly denied.
        IT IS FURTHER ORDERED, ADJUDGED, and DECREED that me… be released from all penalties and disabilities resulting from the offense or crime he has been convicted or to which he has pleaded guilty, in accordance with Texas Code of Criminal Procedure, Art 42.12. Section 20(a) applicable to a conviction taking place on August 11, 1995.
        IT IS FURTHER ORDERED, ADJUDGED, and DECREED that the Court hereby set aside the verdict, [NOTE SET ASIDE ] permitted myself to withdraw his plea of guilty, which is hereby acknowledge and dismisses the accusation, complaint, indictment against myself..
        IT IS THEREFORE , ORDERED ADJUDGED, and DECREED that the DEFENDANTS’ [ note, note offender]
        Motion to terminate Community Supervision is hereby granted.

        SO… I have a order which has been SET ASIDE AND HAS DISMISSED THE CASE and AND SINCE THE CLERK FAIL TO DO THE JOB i MUST HAVE THE LISTING.. for life I will have this
        bearer was convicted of a sex offense against a minor,” it says, “and is a covered sex offender pursuant to 22 United States Code Section 212 b(c)(l).” because the court jurk, I mean clerk failed to preform due process and failure to provide Equal protection of which. the court clerk was to send to records the order for which the court had order. the clerk only have filed it on record.

        THIS JUST PLAIN ……FRAUD..

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      Jim

      What if you were convicted of something that wasn’t against a minor? Is the stamp going to still be on there or not? I’m curious because I was charged with attempted sexual contact against my now ex-wife, which is ridiculous because her, unknown to me at the time, boyfriend told her to go to the base police and was charged and now am on the list. I want to get my passport and visit countries to only be told I can’t enter. That was sarcasm. I know where the best places to visit are. I still want to know if I wasn’t charged or convicted against a minor will it still be in it?

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        Tim L

        I read it and they are adding it to passports of those who committed violations against minors. Adults who committed violent assaults on adults are NOT included at this point. It may change though. Keep in mind the Whetterling Act was “imposed upon them and only them” at inception.

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          Jonny everyman

          One would be naieve to think this won’t include all offenses sooner than later.

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      D.A.

      I have to register as a sex offender for the rest of my life due to the crime I committed 27 years ago. Not only did I successfully complete treatment, parole and probation (for two separate charges) after I was released from prison, I also went on to earn a bachelor’s, master’s, and doctoral degree. I now live overseas and rely on my passport to travel to and from the U.S. and other places. My current passport will expire in a little over 3 years and I’m frightened over the fact that every where I show my passport that identifier will be noticed. I have never reoffended and am not a threat to society. Yet, I will have to carry that identifier with me. They might as well put a mark on my forehead. I have applied for a pardon, but 2 1/2 years have passed with no word on whether I will get one.

      The last few years I have been working on a book about my life and hope to share it with NARSOL members when I am finished.

      D.A.

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        Mig

        They (the government) keeps moving the “finish line” and I am sick of it. I follow their rules, I stay where I am supposed to stay, I stay away from where they want me to not be, I don’t hand out candy on Halloween, I tell them when I am leaving the state for over 7 days, I go to their office within 3 days of whenever I get a new car…. I do each and every single thing they have asked of me for years and they keep on piling it on me. When something keeps getting bent it will eventually snap.
        Regarding the passports… I have never had one and really do not see any reason to get one. That being said, in my state (Louisiana) my driver’s license and state-issued ID both have “SEX OFFENDER” written in big red letters across my photo. I am required to have both of these IDs with me at all times. Failure to have just one of them on me could result in me being arrested for the well-known “failure to register” charge that we see so many SOs getting. Each of these ID cards expires after one year. So, in addition to my having to do my SO registration annually at my local sheriff office & city police department, I also must renew these to IDs… and all four dates fall on the same date. Quite a fun-filled day dealing with those government agencies on the exact same day each year. But let me tell you something about that particular day… that is the ONLY day each year that anyone ever sees my drivers license and/or state ID. I never write a check in person at a store, I never use a credit/debit card when I might be asked for an ID. If I am somewhere (store, bar, restaurant, etc) and I am asked for ID, I just walk out. I only pay for things with cash.
        Basically, I leave no trace, trail, or foot print of where I have been. Yes, it sucks sometimes, but I get around it.
        Oh, I also have flown several times over the years and there are many forms of ID that the TSA will accept other driver’s license and/or passport for domestic flights.
        All this to say that I hate this new law, and while it won’t affect me directly and immediately, I do realize that it is another layer that we all must fight before it is too late. Thank you NARSOL for leading this fight and I hope all of us that are able will financially support NARSOL.

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        a man without a country

        D.A.
        Just saw your post. I am in a similar boat. Required to register for life. Have kept my nose clean for almost 20 years. Had my advanced degrees prior to my mistake. Moved overseas and started a new life. This month, I was going to make a trip back to the US to deal with my last parent’s estate but was prevented from taking my usual route back through Korea on Korean Airlines.

        In the last three weeks, I’ve been reading about this passport identifier. My passport was issued in Jan 2015, and I have traveled on it since, but only this month did I have an issue at check in here in SE Asia. Now, I also see stuff from back there and here about trying to stop RSOs from marrying foreigners. Well, they’re about 11 years too late for that.

        I am on knife’s edge about my annual retirement visa renewal later this year. Never had a problem with immigration in this country, but I sense an end to my family life here and that I might become a man without a country. I’ve actually been thinking of traveling via cargo ship, but would port authority see something when they scan my passport and I couldn’t even get on a boat with a bunch of tennis shoes?

        Just issue me a cyanide pill and/or a revolver with one bullet. I’m ready to end my misery.
        ghuru2007@gmail.com

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      JEV

      A Holiday in Hell
      I asked Italian Policia if they had any problem with me traveling to my native Napoli and Bari after I called first and explained my crime. They laughed.. yes, laughed. They are worried about acute Middle Eastern Immigration and the possibility of a massive Earthquake more. They said this is a American problem.. they are hurting their own citizens and accusing them of false claims I overheard. I also traveled freely last year to Germany without incident. The Countries that will be a problem are the Asian Countries that have high levels of Human Trafficing. That is the reason for the Information within the Passport in the first place. I don’t think ever a compliant RSO is headed overseas to attempt to molest a child. The only thing you may encounter is a dirty look and extra going through your luggage by USA based Immigration Officials and Homeland Security. If you do use your passport for your main Identification you could have a problem with the local nervous cops. This cannot keep a Registered Citizen from traveling unless you are forbidden by the courts to do so. Follow your Travel guidelines and stay Compliant! MEGAN’s Law continues to cause Vigiliante Action, Murder and Suicide as well as it contributes to harsh punishments long after our Sentences have been completed. If the NARSOL data is correct, the entire Sex Offender National Registry needs to be revised to a tiered System seperating Violent Crimes from the rest. If the public information you see about your crime is not exactly accurate, them you need to have that information corrected. And that goes on the Federal level as well. JEV / FAC

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        Randy in PA

        While traveling on business, I was refused entry into Canada in 2008, the U.K. And Sweden in 2011 and South Africa in 2012. The agent in Johannesburg, South Africa told me that their computers were linked to Interpol, who imported information directly from the US national registry. Whether or not your crime involved a minor, or even if you are no longer registered, many countries refuse to allow convicted felons entry.

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      Capt Charles Munsey Jr. USN (Ret)

      I have already come to the conclusion that I will not turn my passport over to the State Department. My situation was resolved years ago and it is in my past. Maybe the State Department needs to concentrate on the years that its secretary grossly violated the law and used the State Department to ‘whore’ millions of dollars from enemies of this nation. When passports are so annotated with the failures of all citizens then I might reconsider. Joseph Goebbels would be proud of how many of our bureaucrats have used his theory to twist the truth.

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        lost

        sorry too inform you but you are a bit incorrect on your information.you are at risk overseas of more then just dirty looks. I am currently over seas and my family is at risk every day right now of not only extortion but loosing our lives because of the American government behavior. we came into the country perfectly legally and identified ourselves and received a document of travel from the commissioner of immigration himself who laughed at the charge at the time and said a 20 year old crime that wasn’t even a crime in his country would not cause any problems.. BUT after the US governments consistent barrage of spam mail on a regular basis telling them (we are not supposed to know they do this but the commissioner shown me the evidence) that i was a threat to the national security because i was on the registry in the united states then i was picked up all my identification was taken, house was looted and was only turned loose after my wife raised a big enough fit (because it was public) and now we are in hiding trying to stay alive with no way to leave and no way to stay with a minor child that i cant even get his paperwork to get him to safety and a wife who had her legal paperwork destroyed by the USICS criminals because i was on the registry….think about it..it may not even be safe for me leaving this note now ..The US government has deliberately made international targets of its own citizens…

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          Maestro

          “The US government has deliberately made international targets of its own citizens…”

          And this SHOULD be exposed. Why are we sitting back on this? Let them take our taxes to pay their salaries to ruin our lives and keep quiet about it? HA!

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            Mike

            I agree that we should not keep silent, but it the politicians seem to get away with almost anything. For example: The Weinstein scandal has brought a lot of attention to Hollywood actors recently, but did you catch the indecent liberties that old man Bush did to younger ladies when taking pictures with him. Not a thing happened when he was outed. He just skated on through. Trump has also been outed for his unwanted touching. My bet is there are more of them out there that need a finger pointed at them too.

            Now, if we can take what has been said about Bush, Trump and others and magnify their wrongs in the public eye…like creating a hash tag for people to come forward about politicians that have sexually harassed and sexually abused victims and then hold the politicians feet to the fire in the media…..we will then see some change. No one (especially politicians) want their dirty little secrets exposed.

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          Joseph

          Please share with us what country is it that gave you all this grief. I want to be d*#n sure never to go there. To be forewarned is to be forearmed.

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      arch dempsey

      is anyone fighting this or is it in the courts yet? I have been living overseas for many years. I was convicted of picking a minor up in a bar 24 years ago. Will my son be left with out a father in a foreign country now. homeless and alone because the insanity of the American government? I left the American government because it cant follow its own laws I sure dont want to ever return and I am disgusted that they would threaten the life of my child now.. nest of disgusting vipers.

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      Kelly D Jordan

      Time to renounce citizenship.

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        arch dempsey

        yea id love to but after they black balled me where can i go? left everything behind to start over and they still haunt me.. wish i would have committed mass murder instead of meeting s girl in a bar..i would have had my life back and my kids wouldn’t have been haunted..so depressed.. my son is not even two years and the bastards are trying to destroy his life.. grrr..

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      Rajendra

      They are making it more and more difficult to reintegrate back into the society. No good prospect of employment (even denying many with any social welfare even in the time of natural disaster), no good prospect of housing, No good prospect of social association or having a stable family life, No good prospect of traveling. The government and these laws are sucking life out of the labeled citizens who have already served their sentences or are entangled in some kind of “Supervised Release”/Probation scam, and many have been driven to the corner with nothing worthwhile to live for. I feel ashamed and angry when I see the flag. If the society or the government does not want the labeled citizens then why not banished them to some remote island that is not a part of the US? This is eugenics when the only prospect of freedom is death.

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        JEV

        I think you are right on.. if MEGANS LAW continues to go the way it going.. undisputed new Legistlative actions, new Bills Congressional Votes for any crazy thing you can think of, then we are maybe headed to deportation or hearded all together to a Island without USA status. Such as Devils Island. I see it 2 ways, sit around and cry about it or stand up and fight. File for Clemency in your State. If you feel injustice within your case, have it re-tried. Your comments are disturbing enough for myself not to offer help. I have been on the Register since 1997 and my case is 25 years old. Join FAC in Florida. If you ever feel your life in danger, call the cops. Every City has decent Counciling Centers that are free. If you feel Suicidal, call for help today. This Registry is a big myth setup by media exploitation king John Walsh whom calls us all scumbags. Its nothing.. a Government plot to protect its citizens from nothing. The Registry simply does not work. So staying compliant, I just go on with my life. They can’t take away our Dignity. JEV

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      Rick F

      Speaking of a wide net… Your article (and the law for that matter), says that “certain” sex offenders will have to have this designation. I appreciate your articles, but I want more clarity on the subject. I agree with the other post that says, “grow a pair”. I also believe in standing up for freedom. Possibly you’d offer some suggestion, like maybe an online petition. If enough petitioners join in we have something strong enough to get heard in a higher court. Please sponsor the online petition>

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        Fred
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        I think there is still a challenge ongoing in California. It will have to work it’s way up from the lower courts before anyone can ask the highest court to review it. The Supreme Court does not look at signature petitions when accepting or denying cases. Online petetions are used as recruitment tools, but rarely if ever have any affect on changing legislation.

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      Txso4life

      In my opinion I think we should not waste time, resource, and money challenge this law. We are up against our gov, we will not win. Just like smith vs doe, this one will pass as just a civil or mere regulation to make registrants be better citizens. I think one day congress may soften their stance and repeal this law. Just my hope.

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        Jeremy from Indiana

        Have you not been paying attention to the courts around the country? The 6th circuit just upended Michigan’s registry, a Colorado court just declared theirs cruel and unusual, the Pennsylvania Supreme court declared theirs punishment among other things, and the Supreme Court declared that we cannot be stripped of free speech in Packingham. Many states are starting to look at their registry laws as we speak. We ARE winning, and quite frequently. Smith v. Doe is the last one we lost at the SCOTUS level and that was 14 years ago. The only other “loss” recently was when the Supreme court denied cert on Minnesota’s civil commitment program.

        My point is that you think it’s a waste of time to fight because you think we have a slim chance of winning. Recent cases and evidence suggest otherwise.

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          Rajendra

          Why don’t we challenge the Sex Offender Registry itself since it is unconstitutional and most of all it was based on some pseudo-science and false statistics?

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            Jonny everyman

            Because many of those who upheld smith v. Doe are still on the court. It will take some time to overturn just like the DOMA.

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        Tim L

        TeX,
        Please research IML & POST who voted for and against it. Let us confront and dispose of those who voted aye.

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          Joseph

          It was passed with no votes recorded, one of those voice votes. Up until now I have had respect and admiration for former President Obama. Now, since I learned about this IML and that Obama signed it into law, I have nothing but contempt for the man This is an atrocity committed by our government upon its own citizens. Are we not Americans too?

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      Helene Eschete

      Why does this continue? What can we do? I am a supporter of this group and of my son. I have sent letters to our government and even the President. Most sex offenders are too afraid to protest in fear of the end results of breaking some hidden part of their sentencing and having to start over again. Maybe the world needs to see the faces of the families that are also affected by RSO. I would be in the front and give all I have to defend the injustice of these unconstitutional additions to punishments already served.

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      Mack

      I was/am one of the litigants in the Ca. lawsuit and was an International traveler, my job required it. I was able to adjust my job duties and not travel outside any longer however it has cost me $$. You see, my case WAS against a minor (teen). I did complete Probation. I did complete 10 years of SO treatment. I did travel internationally the entire time. It was tough but I did it and NOW I cannot, not because of the Stamp but because of the notification requirements of the Bill. Yes, I am afraid of the Stamp. I use my Passport often as an ID and those that understand English would view it as a negative and bar entry into wherever I am seeking entry. Country, Hotel, Airline….

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        Justice is needed

        What I don’t understand is that if someone is no longer on a registry how can they have this put on their passport? This is all insane. My boyfriend will have to register for 8 more years for a relationship he had with a 16 year old over a 15 years ago. I thought that once off the list you are not longer a registered offender and therefore off the government list. I thought is covered registered offenders. This is insane.

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      no hope

      Part of the article said there was a man that had clients and traveled to Asia and Europe??? what Asian country allows RSO’s as far as i know only Hong Kong will not turn you back. does anyone know of another Asian country that allows RSO’S?

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      Barry A. Rodgers

      We already have hardships travelling, I was denied entry into Colombia this spring because of notification from Homeland Security that I was a RSO, as I went through customs. They don’t want people like us in their country. Canada and Mexico are off limits as felons. So no they can’t stop us from travelling but they can help other countries keep us out ! We need to fight this fight !!

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      no hope

      my court papers specifically say no victims under the age of 18 yet i still have to register. will i have the mark on my passport? doesn anyone know this? i travel to romania/ukraine and russia at least once a year and even though they do not care about my status i do not want to give them something to start caring like a mark on my passport.

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      Renate hall

      I wonder, if the Human Rights Court in Den Hag would be interested in this

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        Justice is needed

        I have thought about that. I think that it is definitely a case for the International Courts. It should be brought up in the United Nation as a violation of human rights. America is a sick, puritan, hypocritical country. This is more than double jeopardy. If you are a man today, you are screwed. I am a woman who is now with someone who had to take a plea deal because he was tried in the press, is being sued and is bankrupt. The punishment never stops for something that happened well over a decade ago. The statue had run out but they prosecuted him under a new one, unconstitutional at best. His children were thrown out of school. He had a consensual relationship with someone who was 16. Illegal in California but legal in most of the world. Imagine Ireland is not revoking passports or their sex offenders with minors but under their law, he is not guilty. Under French law, British Law, German Law, Italian Law, Nevada, most of the US states, he is not guilty but he will be considered a pedophile if they see that mark in his passport. America has become a sick and disgusting place. If they could not sue for money, most wouldn’t even have been charged. You must NOT lay down. You must FIGHT. All my friends when they learned of my boyfriends story are outraged. They are disgusted in our justice system. We cannot let the paranoid soccer moms run our country or the corrupt Judges, DA’s and Civil attorneys. The list only grows and grows. Soon it will be over 1 million. That will effect over 5 million people. That is a large voice. Everyone has a son, a father, a brother, a man in their lives who is now at risk of being accused of anything. You must FIGHT. It’s time for this to stop. ENOUGH IS ENOUGH. And I promise my boyfriend everyday that I am not going away. I stand beside him. I promise him that there will be lighter days although I know he can’t believe it now. I hand out hope and sometimes I myself am distraught. I say that we are lucky we have each other. Our lives are limited but they cannot take our happiness that we create in our space. Nor can they take any joy any of you can find with your family and children and friends. They cannot take your hearts. I was 16 once and knew exactly what I was doing as do all of my fellow women. We are and were not powerless and dumb, incapable of consenting. That’s all bull designed to make money for attorneys and these so-called “victims”. Makes me sick.

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      Bob

      They couldn’t put a simple code the size of a finger nail on the lower back corner where only authorities know where to look for it. Oh…No No No, they just had to write almost a paragraph in detail of the crimes registrants we’re convicted of to just humiliate them and make their travels with family and friends even more difficult. I’m just glad there are still countries such as in Western Europe that we can still visit and can smell the bull sh*t coming from our own government. A lot of them feel that this is an American problem and not theirs. They are more concerned about other issues from their own continent, than from whatever is happening here. Which is the way it’s supposed to be. No foreign entanglements.

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      Brett C.

      For those of us who already have our passports or my case (mine was issued last December) with SO language, what will happen? Will be need to have our passports reissued?

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        UnitedStatesofOppression

        Yes from what I have read if you are a covered registrant. Offense against s minor, your current passport will eventually be revoked or confiscated when coming back through US customs and you will have to get the new passport with the identifier on it. Whether you will have to pay for the new one I do not know.

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      PJ

      October seems to be quite special for oppressive governments.

      On October 5, 1938, the Reich Ministry of the Interior invalidated all German passports held by Jews, requiring them to surrender their old passports and reissuing them with the large “J” stamp in them.

      On October 27, 2017, the United States Department of State announced that it will begin revoking the passports of registered sex offenders and reissue them with an identifier.

      Close to 80 years apart, same crap.

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      Tony

      Where does the punishment end? I served 13 years in prison, a punishment doled out by the court. We DO carry the “Scarlet Letter” and are truly the modern day lepers. The passport identifier is an international “badge of shame” but that’s for those who travel. I submit the “badge of shame” we all really should be concerned with is the identifier now printed in bold blue lettering on our drivers license.

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      Jane Smith

      My son is in prison for a computer related SO. 4 years of his life on hold then a lifetime of negative stigma and special rules to look forward to. He has no children and I’m not sure if he will ever want to marry or have children as he doesn’t want to have this stigma put on them.
      The rabbit hole goes very deep with suffering for those convicted of SO.
      Meanwhile the politicians are creating more and more restrictions and stipulations and occasionally one of them gets caught doing something against the laws they create yet they get a slap on the wrist.

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        JEV

        I’m really sorry for your son but your comment is the prime perfect example of being totally brainwashed to this Registry which has never worked. The label is a joke.. it has no value good or bad in a true democracy. Most such as yourself give up. My son will be called a Monster forever. That is how we all are thinking. But we all need to consider this; a totally corrupt system put these crazy Federal Laws into place. So at your State and Federal level, fight against this undone punishment. Of course, if you did the crime.. you need to do the time. So your son can sit in Prison and whine about it all or learn how to change the rotten political to the core system we live in. Violent crimes against children should demand life sentences but possession of materials via Police driven Computer stings should demand only probation if that. A Sex Offender that never abused a child is not a Sex Offender. JEV

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          Jonny everyman

          “Violent crimes against children should demand life sentences but possession of materials via Police driven Computer stings should demand only probation if that”

          This is the wrong place to say your crime is any better than anyone others. Violent crimes against children are obviously not okay buy neither is child porn. The law is the law.

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            Maestro

            Johnny Everyman,

            You love to jump on your own bandwagon of accusing people of “my crime isn’t as bad as YOUR crime”.
            Dude, shut up! Punishments of law are in fact based on the type of crime one commits.
            The person who steals a carton of cigarettes from a Walgreens isn’t going to receive the same punishment as the person who walks in with a firearm and demands the money from the cash register ‘or else’.
            Both are crimes. Both receive different punishments.
            Get over yourself, please. You ain’t all that.

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            Jonny everyman

            Oh maestro. I must seem to push your buttons. I think all registrants deserve to be treated like human beings.

            That said I do think we should take ownership for what we have done. Something you have still failed to do. I feel bad for you, you have a long journey ahead

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      Dave

      They make you a subhuman citizen then they make so you cant even leave and go to a country that will not treat you this way. I know one thing that eventually this will cost this country a very high price. Maybe RSO should all stop working, stop paying taxes, and claim disability because they are disabling us to function in this ridiculous sexual hysteria society. How can I go to work knowing that my past is always on display by a government internet bully who is not subject to their own bulling laws. Why would I care about mowing my lawn when the best I can hope for is someone walking by and saying wow that sex offender has a nice lawn. Not everyone on the registry is even guilty of a crime. You do not want to know the thoughts that go through this persons mind on a daily basis. I will not stop until the unconstitutional sex offender program is a smoldering cinder. DO YOU HEAR ME YET!

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      paul

      I do not agreed that a course of inaction, regarding such a draconian measure, is the right path to pursue. It has always been my observation that left alone nothing will change. Actually this remind me of law of physics: ” a body at rest will remain at rest , unless acted upon by an outside force.” What usually happen is a few, including myself, will work to change hearts and minds of the people who will then will elect officials or reach out to officials who share their then truth.
      What we have to be is a force for change. We, RSO, are not asking for special privileges. We are seeking to be treated as an American citizen. Most of our offenses are within the boarders of United States of America, thus it is our National or State business. It is not the duty of our government to share information about it citizens personal struggles or bad choices. If we are now putting “America first.” I assume that means looking out for the best interest of its citizens.
      Is it in the best interest of America to show to the world its disregard for any of its citizenry?
      We , RSO , must muster all of our strength(Spiritual, mental, emotional, and physical) to fight against injustice. As Americans it is our duty. This is our nation as well as any one else’s who call themselves Americans. I refuse to be a citizens who will not seek to have afforded every right that the Constitution and the Bill of Rights affords.
      We are in a struggle for the soul of America! We can win, We shall overcome!
      Lets be persistent! Persistence is the attitude that will bring about the correcting of the course of OUR great nation!!

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      Tod Siegel

      After I have read this (several times), and got up off the floor, I realize that this brings up a lot more questions that the panic it has created, taking emotion out, and using facts;

      It does not mention that passports are going to be REVOKED – nor how they will take them from us, renewals will most likely have it on there, but maybe not yet, so get yours in NOW
      This is also part of it, so it is UNCLEAR what ‘convictions’ (again, looks like conviction, not registry) will be listed Only the DHS/ICE Angel Watch Center (AWC) can certify an individual as a “covered sex offender.” Therefore, any questions by the applicant about such status must be directed to and resolved by AWC
      It does not mention that there are attorneys already working on it, now that this horrific thing has been added to an already terrible law, maybe there is more ground for our great attorneys to stand on
      It does not mention or clarify if it bases only on a ‘conviction’ or if you are on the registry, and once OFF the registry, does your name fall off?
      It does mention where this ‘information’ will be listed – on the second to last page of the passport – which if it has to be on there, that is the ‘best’ place it could be. No one ever opens and looks at that page, unless you are out of other pages for them to stamp, and in case it gets a little sticky, they would probably never see it.
      By SORNA and AWA, RSOs already have to register and notify when going to another country, this does not change that, which is why people are denied entry as it is, will this make it worse, possibly, but it is already sent thru Interpol, and they know when you are coming electronically, doesn’t matter if there is something on the back page. When you are on a train in EU, they just look at the first page and don’t even stamp it, Schengen countries, once you are in one, you don’t even have to show your PP coming into another country.
      Hotels internationally also use it as ID, again, they only look at the first page, so unless they put something on the main information page, this should not make a difference, especially if some of the pages get a little sticky. If you already have a passport card – which can only be used to get into Canada and Mexico, which RSO’s can’t get into anyways, still can be used as ID in some other countries, that will not have this info on it.

      I see things like – there are 800000 of us, lets rally together – wow, that sounds great, but we had a hard enough time getting 15 people to help with our case in CO, very few SO’s are willing to stand up, take the time, and sacrifice the money (that many don’t already have) to fight these things. Judges are listening, attorneys are fighting, but in the end, if people sit back and hope for change and let ‘someone else’ do the fighting, we will never succeed. We NEED to find and support RSOL, and all the attorneys around the country, contact them, help them. Sitting back and whining about it will not change a damn thing. That being said, RSOL and people who write these things can help us help them by giving more clarity and the names and resources to contact to stand up for this fight. The ACLU was significant in the 6th Circuit case, where are they on this? It is hard to fight something if you don’t know how or who to find that can help. In every way possible, this sucks, (would like to using stronger words here), I HATE it, but if we do nothing, keep voting in politicians, especially conservative republicans, not supporting RSOL and our attorneys, it will continue to get worse.

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      Don’t tread on me

      I am struck by the parallels with Nazi germany. I also remember what we did in the face of tyranny many centuries ago. If you back us into a corner and continue to strike at us we WILL come out swinging. I am certain that the puritanical elites will then say “see, sex offenders are all violent”. While my morals, values and standards would 100% prevent me from ever doing so, I understand how some terrorism is created. People can not be pushed past a certain point.

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        Craig

        You wrote, ( I see things like – there are 800000 of us, lets rally together – wow, that sounds great, but we had a hard enough time getting 15 people to help with our case in CO, very few SO’s are willing to stand up)
        This is the exact same problem I see all the time, for many years (15 since I have been on the registry) I have been in groups to spread the word about RSOL and now as it is called Narsol, CARSOL and Texas Voices, I myself have donated 1000s of dollars to these groups and after all these years 3 or 4 people from groups that covered 4 counties and 1000s of RSO did anything. I have very little faith in most RCs that they will ever get up off their ass and help with this fight. I wish I had the answer to what needs to be done to get these people to fight back but I do not. The whole registry needs to come down, I myself truly believe that every other fight comes up short. The more we fight the more laws they (Government) Pass. I am still willing to donate but it has to be the right case in my mind, it needs to be IML or the registry itself and I am not going to donate any more just to fight a restriction that does not address the root because it will just be rewritten. I lived out of the country myself until I had to return for family health problems which was a big mistake and now I to have been forced to leave family behind that I will probably never see again, hurts, hell yes but I live my life the best I can. When ever anyone decides to fight IML again I will be there.

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      Maestro

      Not sure why my comment is not posting. Hmmmm.
      I keep getting a notice on this page saying:

      The following problems have been found with you reply….

      But there’s nothing specified.
      Well anyway….

      Someone here mentioned something that I’ve said before which is that we as RSO’s can and should make a big stink to the US Government that if we cannot live the free life that our country claims it offers, then we shouldn’t have to pay taxes either.
      We should rally or start a petition or class action suit claiming tax exemption so long as we are treated as inhuman and lepers.

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        Tim L

        Maestro
        What man in his right mind would pay taxes to a state who wrongly made him a felon and a sexoffender. Especially when he knows he is INNOCENT?

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          Maestro

          Tim L.,

          Not sure what you’re trying to say here. Is that sarcasm?
          I never said anything about being innocent or guilty. It’s a shame that I have to explain things that should be very obvious since we all keep mentioning “paid our debt, fulfilled our punishments”.
          After that, we should be back to the very freedom we are promised here. Otherwise, don’t tax us. Somehow WE are not good enough for being treated as humans but our MONEY is green enough to take from us and line their pockets and continue to make OUR lives miserable?
          If you agree with that, good luck to you.

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      Anon

      we should drain their funds, I work at a carlot and a house cleaning job, i have 70 cars a week i can register and deregister every 3 days, and 18 houses a week i can register. if everyone could do something like hmm. all the money they would lose, this thing has to come down

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        Brian

        @Anon
        Sounds like a great idea but they will just make us pay for it I’m sure.

    • #26194 Reply
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      Tim L

      Project Angel Watch project will be housed in the Dept of Homeland security!

      I Still think there was a reason why the FIRST NSA database was built in UTAH? Damn right! It is not coincidence. The Dems and the rainbow collation are about now wondering what the hell happened? We got President Obama elected, but now we are losing elections left and right. Well those dumbasses are figuring out they have completely sold out to BIG DATA!
      The average Joe recognizes this fact. Who really benefitted from NAFTA? Surely not the averages Joe, nope big business benefitted and continues to benefit via profit.

      ULTIMATELY, THESE DATABASES WILL BE USED FOR POLITICAL SECURITY NOT the PERSONAL SECURITY OF INDIVIDUALS.

      The truth is social media frightens the hell out of “THE ESTABLISHMENT!”
      WHY? It is a direct threat to their financial security as well as their power in important places, namely congress who are responsible for allocating funds.
      For the fist time in history ” the people” could actually be represented, which does not happen today. Social media could be used to squash the biggest of companies via boycott, that is if the people decided to do so as a group. Facebook and Goldman Sax would be in the crapper if the people actually congealed.

      The people have not yet chosen to do so, the same way registrants haven’t amassed in protest of these obviously unconstitutional laws.

      I have finished reading the IML link provided by NARSOL. NJ REP Chris Smith
      Sponsored the bill riding the coattails of Megan Lanka’s parents, who obviously still feel the pain from their daughters death. I ask you this- how many have died via the gun in a bad guys hands? Certainly more than murdered by deviants. Yet not much moves on that score. Why? Marketing! Guns are big business and we sell lots to foreign nations. We also tend to impose our distorted American values and customs upon the countries where we do business, and they resent it.

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      Kurt Martin

      The NARSOL article says that the passport-stamp law was upheld on “rational basis” scrutiny.

      Folks, that’s NO scrutiny at all, and I can’t think of ANY criminal law that tells citizens what they can and cannot do, with the threat of arrest and prison for violations, that should EVER be subject to rational basis scrutiny.
      Intermediate scrutiny for most, and strict scrutiny for many. That’s how criminal laws and quasi-criminal laws regarding probation, parole, and sex offender registrations should work.

      The only kind of law that should be given “rational basis” deference are the unimportant minutia of regulatory and administrative law– how certain businesses must operate, or how the government itself operates internally and administratively. If the government passes a law that says if you don’t wear a helmet while riding a motorcycle you can get arrested, make that a high-scrutiny evaluation of the law itself. But once such a law is passed, if a follow-up law adopts national highway safety standards for the crash-protection rating on helmets, and tells dealers in helmets that they must sell them with all their factory packaging materials and labels and instruction manuals, fine. Make THAT law only pass “rational basis” to remain enforceable.

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      Sadd;es

      Another way to discriminate with these passport issues. but remember she’s gotta a ticket to ride. The group was good back than but it was a shame about John Lennon. Anyway I liked that dude’s comment about they didn’t want any sex offenders in our country. Our country. Maestro please don’t let me start thinking….
      All this passport thing is a scarlet mark against just the sex offender. Any other drug dealer or thief has the right to go into another country. See the United States wants to be top dog but media doesn’t really know some of the whole truth as this Halloween thing, and know your rights and you have the right to let the common people all over know how sex offenders are set-up in a lot of these ordeals. And we all also have our right to band together to stop a lot of as if not for us for the future of others that may get wrapped up in all this.. What’s next everybody sign up for the mark of the beast?

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      Randy in PA

      There is some additional information in this article posted Thursday on CNN.

      http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/02/politics/us-passports-identify-child-sex-offenders/index.html

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      T

      I have some questions, what happens if you decided not to get the new passport with the unique identifier and decide not to travel period, are we being made to get them even if we are not traveling, and will there be a new law in the future that passports are mandatory for traveling domestically as well as traveling internationally? Hopefully my question is understood.

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      Txso4life

      @T, https://travel.state.gov/content/passports/en/news/september-is-passport-awareness-month.html
      According to the doj, in the near future near you (2018 and later), we are required to have passport (or some form of special ID) to fly domestically. Please see link.

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        Randy in PA

        This is not true. As long as your state complies with the Real ID law, your drivers license will continue to suffice.

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      Txso4life
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        Jonny everyman

        If you have ever left your wallet at home you will know you don’t have to legally have ID to board a plane on a domestic flight. I have gotten on two planes without ID.

        My state has an enhanced license that shows proof of citenzship. This is all we need to board a plane.

    • #26320 Reply
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      Sadd;es

      You know I don’t really travel on planes, I think the last time I traveled on a plane was back in the 80’s. A lot of these commits are good and some I have to take reservation on. Standing up for your rights is good. If I had to do this all over again I would of stood in front of the judge and not took that plea bargain or deal as they call it.
      Look at the mess it is now with these identifiers and such. Believe people are just as scared as the next one. Call this identifier a green card of shame. Actually call some of this sex offender stuff as the police playing the “sin squad” but who’s God are they serving…. the God of Mammon or some authority figure that is above the supreme authority. Common sense would tell one that. I’m sure they are proud of what they do and they are proud of the money they can gleaned to impress their bosses.
      They do this for safety. Doesn’t one have to give warning before one shoots a person. Oh that’s right most of these sex sting operations are “undercover so we don’t have to give you warning to set one up. Or if some boy or girl gets a revenge thing and tells police he placed his hands on me.
      Now to relieve a lot of peoples tension let me refer you to Roman’s chapter 14:13 for those who would like a bit of relief from all this over authority stuff law enforcement is doing.
      Now you all on here I’m sometimes frighten me with some of there off the wall ideal’s. I went into the store today and had to show my drivers license just to buy a pack of cigarettes and I’m 62 is that an identifier. Some of this ordinance stuff I can’t hold a candle too so that’s why we need change. I would commit on other things but just look at the world around you.

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      Allen decorated Vet

      During a bitter separation with my wife in June 1996 in Texas, running a successful Remodeling Company and Living very comfortable with her daughter from another marriage and our son, I was indicted for indecency with a child alleged to have occurred in June of 1994. The description of the charge was should I rub her inner thigh and Gray’s her private area… An all women gave me 20 years… I served approximately 9 years in prison and was released and February 2005. My sentence ended in November of 2016. Because I had been revoked for 3 technical violations, six and a half years of Street time was removed from my time served on parole, the six and a half years was added to the back of my sentence, increasing my 20 year sentence 6 and a half year sentence… I can’t even leave Houston Texas to visit any of my family on the East Coast… God forbid I try to leave the United States after I got off parole being that I can’t even get out of Texas… I’m being treated like a cereal child molester Raper… I have run out of money paying attorneys to get my six and a half years Street time reinstated so I can get the hell out of Texas and go back to the east coast where all my family is…

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      Allen decorated Vet

      A very important part of my above stated is my wife & I separated in June 1996, the allegation came shortly thereafter to have occurred June 1994. Her ex husband moved in & they changed the name of the company… I’m subjected to inhuman un-American treatment still to this very day!!! To add insult to injury I’m doing “parole” time greater then sentenced to… looking back i should of took the 8 yr. Plea bargain… Where I come from u don’t plead guilty to a offense you’re not guilty of !! Like I said, I can’t even leave Harris County in Houston, TX… And have to register as an RSO for life…

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      Darrel Hoffman

      The whole purpose of this law law is to keep us from traveling abroad and escaping the unconstitutional Megan’s law the Supreme Court still tries to hold to. Until we get these people out of office and get a Court that will truly uphold the Constitution, we will continue to have this kind of legislation passed.

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      John behan

      Has anyone traveled to Turks and cacios and how were you treated by customs. I’m pre sorta. And pa. State tell me in a letter I no longer required to give 21day notice of travel. Can someone tell what is going on,

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