Ninth Circuit Reinstates SORA Challenge in Idaho

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    • #79025 Reply
      Larry Neely
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      By Larry . . . This case consisted of a group of 134 plaintiffs who had filed a lawsuit in the United States District Court for the District of Idaho.
      [See the full post at: Ninth Circuit Reinstates SORA Challenge in Idaho]

    • #79028 Reply
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      Perry

      Well here it is again. Same old song and dance routine. What I’ve garnered from all this is: Idaho; like all the rest of the states, will just do whatever the hell they want to until there’s NOBODY left to further persecute, villainize, or send Vigilantes after anymore. It’s all going to end up being like The Old West again. Shoot first, and forget the Questions after, because the questions don’t count any damn way! I want Legislators-Federal and State-to just come out and tell the damn truth: They want to create Sanctioned Murder Laws, so that people can hunt Us down and kill Us! The want a ‘Purge’ type set of Laws, just like in The Purge Movies! We all know-and so do they themselves-that this is what it’s coming to anyway. Another thing: We all also know; there won’t be any REAL Criminal Justice Reform, so long as they continue to ignore Registry Related Laws and Notification Requirements. I’ve been telling My Senator in Pennsylvania, to do just that: Tell The Damn Truth And Quit Lying, Because This Is What You Want Too!!

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      Case No.2:16-cv-13137

      Looks like they’ve finally acquired “grounds for scrutiny”. When I challenged the state and SORNA in its entirety, the best weapon I had was NOT my complaint of being unlawfully bullied and threatened by the city prosecutor, but was in fact my CONSTITUTIONAL complaint. I would like to offer using my experience. Challenge the VAGUENESS of the “student safety zone” previsions. Ask the defense and ask the judge; “where is the epicenter of the Student Safety Zone?” “Does it start from the PROPERTY LINE, or the CENTER OF THE PROPERTY, or the front door? Or does the Zone start from the FLAGPOLE of any school?” If they blow off the inquiry, ask this; “what SHAPE is the Student Safety Zone? Because if the zone (hypothetically starts from the property line {HOWEVER NOT DEFINED IN SORNA LITERATURE}) starts its 1500 feet from the edge of a SQUARE shaped property (like most school property in America) then shouldn’t the Student Safety Zones (as defined in SORNA literature) be shown on maps as squares and not CIRCLES?

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        Erich Raulfestone

        To damn soft!!!! Let them be SO’s for a year and WE get to beat the $–t out of them w/o the law interfering!!!!

        • #79266 Reply
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          Crash

          -Eric Raufelstone

          I understand your frustration but I don’t think we should act the way they (and the citizens that they represent) do. We ought to be the better person. From what I’ve experienced myself, I know that these sort of people are evil and we shouldn’t put ourselves on their level. We are to be good and act/speak fairly and justly, any chance that we get.

          They are liars for sure, and there are a number of so-called “scum of the earth” that could do more good than they ever could.

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      CherokeeJack

      The Government will spend untold Billions of dollars to win cases every year just on the principle of them not wanting to be proven wrong. If we bring a case ourselves as individuals, we lose because we cannot afford to fight all the way to supreme court. If we bring a case as a group, the Offender registry legality gets threatened so they throw unlimited resources at us until be bow under pressure. Or that add new rules to punish us more and make up for the ones we got thrown out.
      Even worse is like Michigan where the states just plain ignores the courts rulings for years. Since the courts “seem” to have zero enforcement powers, why should they comply.
      I also find it funny how two different courts can see things so differently.

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      Tim in WI

      Plausible Deniability
      The politicians go to plan.

    • #79049 Reply
      Robin Vander Wall
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      Well done, Larry. Good analysis and easy to follow. This is something exciting to watch.

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      Joseph

      Let’s talk about the requirement to notify the sheriff of travel.
      How can one always know that he will be away from home for a period of time, in this case more than 7 days. How can one always know in advance that he has moved. For example, you might intend to visit a friend or relative out of state for a couple of days but when it’s time to return home there is a compelling reason to extend the visit past the seven days’ requirement. Are you supposed to return home, without regard to distance or expense, to do the required notification and then return to where you were visiting?
      Same for moving out of state or even the country. You might travel to visit a friend or relative with no intention of moving, but once you get there an opportunity presents itself and you decide to stay permanently. Assume that you might be a thousand miles from your previous home, you have no personal property to go back for, yet, you have already violated the SORA by moving without prior notification.
      Furthermore, there is no clear definition of exactly what a change of residence address is. Are they assuming that if one is gone longer than seven days that he has changed his address without notification?

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      Ollie Octopus

      I was an attorney for 26 years but I have no idea what they are talking about, and I don’t think they know either. It is just plain BS. So what if someone sees your name on the web and shoots you? You are not human. “As-applied challenge; and “clearest proof”??? All they want to do is try to make themselves sound smart. Are these laws additional punishment? Of course they are! But they could care less.

      • #79304 Reply
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        Crash

        -Ollie Octopus

        That is the terrible reality for SOs. Very few people could really understand how it is for them, unless their relative or themselves were to become one. It is a never-ending doom to be an SO, even in freedom out in the community.

        It is a shame and great evil, that the same society that is hellbent on the destruction of SOs is the same exact one that actually creates a number of them (through the adult film industry for example.) Most people will continue to hold their heads high as they look down on SOs. Lawmakers and politicians can’t even appear to speak or act in the favor of SOs.

        Recently the California Supreme Court ruled that people who were convicted of non-violent crimes may be eligible for early parole.

        This bit is from an article I read:

        “Former Gov. Jerry Brown, who championed the 2014 initiative as a way to reduce prison populations and costs by speeding up chances for parole, has repeatedly said he and other proponents never intended for it to cover sex offenders.”

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      mut

      ‘time consuming and cumbersome’

      * i didnt think government could seize a person without a warrant or probable cause, or subpoena.

      * being worth more than 200k to the state per year per individual makes it smell a lot like how this country was founded: upon the involuntary backs of a disenfranchised, demonised and dehumanized subclass.

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      R.Arens

      “Civil in intent”?…. I could see that as a valid argument if it didn’t involve incarceration, hefty fines, and prolonged registration for a violation of the statute. When I think of the word civil, it’s separate from criminal. It’s a place to go to argue petty things like a complaint to clean up the junk in your yard or a child support modification. To sue your former tenant who owes you 5 months rent. The majority of stuff I ever heard of being handled civilly ends with a monatary penalty being assessed, not a ridiculously massive jail sentence. You could refuse to sign up for selective service when you turn 18 and get a slap on the wrist for it compared to not registering as a sex offender. Both are victimless non-violent paper crimes. I think it’s a crock that states cloak their overly punitive laws in civil lingo to pass constitutional muster. I hope someday a judge with honest to God non-corruptible integrity sees past the states smokescreen and renders a verdict that is fair for all.

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        Joseph

        You can thank ALEC (American Legislative Exchange Council) for state legislatures planting language in their state legal codes that states that the sex offender registry law is civil in nature.

        A little over ten years ago a judge in Missouri did exactly what you said. He stated in his opinion that though the law said it was civil, it lost that distinction when they hung criminal penalties on it. That was overruled on appeal, and I’ve never seen such language again.

    • #79066 Reply
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      mut

      registering and keeping the registration current is akin to “tending the crops.”

      • #79122 Reply
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        Joseph

        We may never get rid of the registry, but we can possibly extract ourselves from its maintenance. Persons who have completed their sentences should never be made to leave their homes and travel somewhere at the behest of the government, except for jury duty.
        The government has innumerable ways to get your residence address. There’s no need to have to leave home and report to the sheriff’s office. The sex offender registry is nothing more than a relational database and every person is a record in that database. I completed my sentence in its entirety over 5 years ago. Why should I be made to keep their database record current? Those who have not completed their sentences can report the required information to their probation or parole officers and those officers can update the database. Why should the sheriff’s office have to hire an entire squad of personnel tasked with this database maintenance?

    • #79071 Reply
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      Jim

      Hey Perry now it looks like you finally might agree with my thoughts that this will NEVER be resolved. Dont wait for the legal paths to be exhausted because they were exhausted when these laws were created. The only way is for civil war. We are at war, F the court system. The USA is totally Communistic and run by the new socialist’s regime. Everyones rights have been removed via the ” pandemic “. Narsol will not allow me to inform sex offenders how they can LEGALLY protect themselves. I have absolutely no fear of vigilantes, they will never make it out of my house alive. I guess this is supposed to be a family type area where we cant say anything to scare people or to show how we have the right to defend our selves. Playing pattycake with the judges is a farce. I would rather die on my feet than live on my knees.

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      Tim in WI

      Larry,
      Goes to the efficacy of the district courts thinking in analysis. Confusion surrounding the difference between facial challenge to plain text use by congress, versus an as applied challenge to use by the administration.

      The same types of errant legal conclusions happen during my half a dozen FTR cases. Judges like to think there is no difference between those who’ve waived civil right by signing a plea agreement & standardized form versus in the FTR scenario whereby the defendant had not waived the right to defenses available.

      The presumption hefted by the ruling Connecticut DPS is unreliable in that case precisely because such fact are a matter of guilt & fodder for the FTR Jury, therefore not bootless. Naturally only the not actually being guilty person would refuse to waive public trial.

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      A Mistake They Made

      RSO are all worker drones. They have been stripped of their civil rights. They have the right to work, pay taxes, and fees. This will continue and get more intrusive and restrictive until people start to snap, and make the registry too costly of an option. This society deserves what it gets!

    • #79121 Reply
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      Jim

      Hey A Mistake They Made. Now you are talking with truth. This all will get worse until we bark HARD. The so called justices and judges think they are untouchable and their way is the only right way. The truth is that NO ONE is untouchable, Not even these arrogant judges and politicians. Cant beat this in the courts. But WE CAN BEAT THIS in another way.

      • #79139 Reply
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        A Mistake They Made

        Play by the rules and start to win they will change the rules so you lose. They keep moving the goal posts in a country were it is supposed to be illegal to move the goal posts because of ex post facto. I am tired of playing by the rules and getting f-ed over by these clowns! Just watch how you talk they are changing the rules on the 1st amendment too. It wont be long now we will be a subclass of slaves to an upper class of slaves all with no constitutional rights. I have been watching this sad story play out for so many years and they know we know and they do it anyway. These people have become too bold and do need a lesson. Just be careful what you say on here, and of course don’t break any laws.

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          w

          By all means break their bs laws, but just don’t be a criminal. Subservience to their injustice is throwing down the gauntlet before realizing there was ALWAYS a choice to fight. They were never going to play nice anyway. Why make it easier?

          They want people to “reintegrate”, of course. Reintegrate with the mindless herd that accepts the world and raises grandkids and watches “The Price is Right”. Sure, let the decades go by so they can finish paying off the homes they built with YOUR SUFFERING.

          You have to fight. Get smart. Get REALLY smart. And fight. Don’t expect them to give an inch. Don’t expect them to suddenly have an epiphany and be remorseful for their corrupt system. Don’t expect any kind words from anyone who believed in this BS. Don’t hold out for any of that. They know what they did and they are always shuffling to try and not let the dirty secrets of their social engineering experiment get too much attention.

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      mut

      hope they made the judge pay for the expense of the appeal

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