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March 6, 2017 at 11:19 am #8241
By Adam Liptak . . . Last week at the Supreme Court, a lawyer made what seemed like an unremarkable point about registered sex offenders. “This court
[See the full post at: New York Times: “Vanishingly” little evidence of high re-offense rate]
March 6, 2017 at 11:42 am #8242
I would like to see a study performed that studies the general public’s propensity to be accused, arrested and convicted of a sex crime separated by age. Considering that over 95% of new sex crimes are performed by someone not on the registry, I think this number is significant. I would also like to see the current studies on recidivism of former sex offenders measure “offense-free” time periods for recidivism data. Currently, when the time is extended on the studies, the recidivism data includes those who have been convicted of two or more offenses therefore corrupting any data about first time convicts. After both studies have been conducted, I would like to see a comparison of the general public versus the recidivism rate of a first time offender after certain time periods. I think it would be important to know when those numbers either match or come close to matching.
I’ve seen some studies that include bits and pieces of this data, but it has never been compared in a scientific study as I am suggesting. From the data I’ve read though, it appears that a first time offender’s chance at recidivism matches a general public person’s chances of committing a sex crime after about 7-8 years of remaining offense free. If my assumption is verified, it would give us a new leg to stand on.
While I don’t think that a compromise in our fight is something we want, it may end up being necessary, although I hope not. The compromise this could bring is that we could bring the benefit of the doubt to the lawmakers and state that a first time offender is, by all intensive purposes, reformed after remaining offense free for ten years. This could help us at the very least fight lifetime restrictions and reduce them to no more than ten years.
March 6, 2017 at 4:29 pm #8243
Justice Kennedy yelled “FIRE” in a crowed theater. His words were catastrophic.
After reading and investigating this story. I’m thinking of the millions of lives that have been ruined, the millions of families that have been destroyed, and the billions upon billions of dollars that have been spent by the politicians and the courts stampeding for that proverbial “sex offender door”. Not just in the USA, but throughout the whole world. By no means, am I exaggerating.
Kennedy had quoted 1 unsubstantiated statistic, from 1 article, which was published in 1 magazine. Than added to that, is the unabashed idealism that SCOTUS speaks “the whole truth and nothing but the truth,” which is than touted by politicians, prosecutors, lobbyists, storytellers and anyone else that can make money from it. This is truly an example of injustice.
March 6, 2017 at 10:18 pm #8244
Soooo, using their logic, if 95% of sex offenses are committed by first time offender , should all of society have the restrictions? You know, we just want to prevent anything from happening and this could prevent a sex crime from happening in the first place. (sarc)
I don’t get how they could say that this isn’t punishment. If it isn’t punishment, what’s to stop them from placing these restrictions on everyone? Hey, it’s not a punishment, right? It’s in the name of safety.
March 6, 2017 at 10:23 pm #8245
So, if 95% of sex crimes are committed by first time offenders, why aren’t all of these restrictions placed on everyone? According to them (courts), it’s not a punishment, right? So, what’s to prevent them from doing this to anyone for any reason; even if a crime hasn’t been committed? Apparently, the restrictions are not for what someone did, it’s for what someone might do.
Wow, America could be crime free with restrictions, ankle monitors and the thought police.
March 7, 2017 at 7:55 pm #8246
Careful what you wish for…
March 8, 2017 at 1:16 pm #8247
Lol, I’m not wishing – just trying to point out that their logic is flawed.
March 8, 2017 at 4:01 pm #8248
It is also sickening that the additional crimes listed as “sex offenses” have all come about due to Justice Kennedy citing an article based on an unsubstantiated evidence in a magazine aimed at the general public with no empirical value. With numerous lower courts using the same faulty wording as Kennedy in its opinions makes me ask the questions: Don’t judges and lawyers bother fact-checking sources in which court opinions are based? Why has it taken a Law Review article to point out the mess Justice Kennedy and his four brethren have caused with states and the federal sex offender registry?
We don’t put persons convicted of felonious assault or robbery at gun or knifepoint on a list; therefore, there shouldn’t be any public shaming list at all. That said, if we insist on a list for persons who have committed “real” sex offenses, the list should only be available to law enforcement and not the public like it is in Canada and other western countries, and persons after a “reasonable” period of time (based on empirical studies by psychiatrists, psychologists, sociologists, and criminologists) should be able to come off of that list.
I assert “real” sex offenses because urinating in public, possession of naked, non-graphic or sexually posed pictures of persons under age 18, consensual sex between a 19 year-old and a 16 year-old, a Brady Bunch situation where “Bobby” plays doctor with “Cindy,” or a situation where “mom” is bathing “junior” in the sink for his first bath and “dad takes a video with his phone and mistakenly sends it to someone other than his parents or in-laws should NEVER, EVER be considered a sex crime.
I’m sick of knee-jerk reactionary laws by elected officials and courts that are based on unsubstantiated media hyperbole about the latest boogey man created by a special interest group that wants overreaction to an unsubstantiated so-called epidemic.
It is my hope that the Michigan decision in the 6th Circuit Court of Appeals catches on before some other special interest group wants all men to have electronic devices connected to our brains so we can get put on a sex offender list for impure thoughts!
March 9, 2017 at 10:57 am #8249
In Search of Liberty
For at least 3-4, years I have attempted to explain to people exactly why there can be no high recidivism rate with RSOs; however, no one seems to understand what I have been saying so let me try this again. Recidivism: in a nut shell the word means “repeat” a crime over and over—correct? Ok, so now that we have that out of the way, let us focus on the position proponents of sex offender laws (SOLs) have been spouting for at least 15 years to justify SOLs and that is that registered sex offenders (RSOs) have a high recidivism rate (HRR). So let me explain, opponents of the HRR claim call it a “bald assertion”, I call it a damn lie. Here’s why. Every state in the US has in its criminal justice penal codes statutes called “Enhancement of Sentences”. Take this example from Texas. Say you have been arrested for robbery, the primary offense, however, you have a prior drug conviction from say 5 years ago. The prosecutor will put that prior conviction on your indictment for the purpose of enhancing your sentence should you be found guilty of the primary offense. Meaning this, the primary offense, i.e., robbery carries a sentence of say 5-15 years in prison, but that is for first offenders. With the prior drug case on the indictment, now the that 5-15 goes to 15-45 years in prison—get it? Stay with me now, because I’m going to show you something. Again, all 50 states have in their penal codes these types of enhancement laws. Before I go on, let me offer this peripheral dynamic here: since the late 90s, there has been an onslaught, a virtual siege by all 50 states on people who have committed SOs—right? With that in mind, just think, say a person commits 1 SO in say 2001, is arrested, tried, found guilty and is sentenced to a prison term and is subsequently paroled say 2005. But after his release he commits another SO 2 years later (2007) and is arrested again. But this time he has the 2001 conviction and is probably still on parole. You can be sure that the prosecution is going use that 2001 SO case to enhance the 2007 case in an attempt to put this guy away (keep in mind the hate they have against SOs) for at least 20 years! Remember what “Recidivism” means? Now take this same person here. Say he went to prison again, but instead of him doing that 20 years the he was sentenced to, the state parole board decides, well no, he doesn’t have to do that 20, we’ll let him out in 3 years! See where I’m going? In order for there to be a HRR there would have to be corresponding high parole rate for people committing SOs; in other words a fast turn around or a “Revolving Door” at the prison gates. It would have to be so because a second or third conviction for a sex crime, given the hate the state has for SOs, would naturally result in very long prison term. And this revolving prison door would have to be going in all 50 states in order for this pandemic of sex crimes to happening that proponents of these laws scream and holler about. Am I making sense here? Just crew on this rational for minute. And I will leave it at the.
March 15, 2017 at 11:28 am #8250
Recent Pa Supreme Court Sorna retroactivity argument.
April 3, 2017 at 11:19 am #8251
I read this and I found it ridiculous. I live in Kentucky, I served my time and I am registered for a non-Violent offense, I have no supervision or conditions other than the “Residency restrictions”. I have been off paper for 3 years. With that said, I have to say that no one has come by to see me, check on me, required me to check in. All I have to do is fill a card out every three months and send it in to register my address. If I am such a threat to society, a pariah, a danger to children, then why is my life better and more normal than before. I own property, I have a great job and I travel all over the Country…freely. No one ever says a word to me, I have never been approached or threatened or spoken to in an off manner. I go to Church weekly and have many friends…my life is better than it has ever been.
The laws that are in place are designed to oppress those who are going to break them or who are unable to live up to them because of their specific situation. Most of the laws are in place to “Enhance” a crime or “Extend” the sentencing ability of the court due to the offense committed. I see “Add On” charges or Enhancements to may of the laws here in this state.
We can fight the laws, we can push for change and as we do more and more politicians will start to see the errors in these “Knee Jerk” laws that protect no one but until those who are labeled a Sex Offender are given opportunities, after release, to rebuild their life the struggle will go on. I have no real numbers to support this but I see that most of those reoffending after release are because of the lack of Opportunities, a place to live,a job, a restart. Then it’s back to prison because they could not do a few simple things required of them and in most cases, it’s not because they did not want to follow the rules, they couldn’t because of the lack of opportunities to do so.
My situation is not the norm, I realize that, however, if someone on the registry wants a better life they can create it. I will never reoffend and like most, I am not a threat to anyone but I do feel the sting of this label when meeting and creating new relationships. This is the only time I am reminded I am a registered Sex Offender other than the card I fill out every three months. I do feel for those that do not have opportunities to grow and live the life they want due to the restrictions placed on them. It is up to them to change their situation so they can have opportunities open up for them. Use the resources available and change your life.
You must rethink your life after prison and understand why the laws are the way they are. These laws will never protect anyone. The only way to change the recidivism rate is for an individual to have “Opportunities”…to live, to work, to create a New Normal and this will change the way they think and act. The laws are designed to control and oppress. If that is the intention, then why not keep everyone in prison if they are such a threat? Think about it, IF everyone on the street that is a Sex Offender is a danger to society why are they out there? That explains why the laws are of no use. Every SO out there is not a threat, so why are all on the registry? The worst offenders are still in prison and will never get out. Aren’t those the people that should be registered, the ones that are a threat?
All we can do is live our life, follow the rules that we have to, like any other rule in society, we all have rules to follow and don’t get so caught up in a label. Remember the laws are designed for those who would break them.
May 22, 2017 at 10:30 pm #8252
Gee, that’s nice for you. I committed my offense over 25 years ago, did probation and treatment, and then made the mistake of moving to Colorado. Since then I have had to go down to the police station or court house every 90 days, 30 days when I was homeless, My status is posted on the internet, and I have had people look it up to torture me, and to take from me. Also, no living in Arapahoe county, I have a sherrif come by every 90 days, in addition to having to go in, just to make sure nothing has changed. I now have several websites devoted to calling out my sex offender status, and even calling me a child rapist, even though all I did with my victims was one grope. But somehow calling me a child rapist makes it ok to say bad things about me.
I recently had my facebook account disabled, because I am a sex offender. I am very careful about who I tell, because you never know how someone is going to react. I don’t have a lot of friends, I do have one or two that I trust, but I am still guarded, you never know when they are going to turn.
I have lost a couple of jobs, and been denied even more, because of this. I currently work part time and do odd jobs to try to keep some sort of money coming in.
You talk about how these “laws are designed for those who would break them” but that is not true. Law or not, I will never offend again, I will not do it, and no one can make me, but these laws are still there to run my life. The Denver Police officer I used to see when I registered even said these laws are stupid. The ones that are intent on keeping the law, and do come in and register, are not the ones we have to worry about it.
June 13, 2017 at 8:03 pm #8253
My husband has cops as friends and they say these laws are stupid.