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September 18, 2018 at 10:54 am #46648
By Amanda Claire Curcio . . . Arkansas has about 15,800 registered sex offenders — 526 offenders for every 100,000 residents — the second-highest to
[See the full post at: NARSOL’S AR affiliate: “Limit registry access to LE”]
September 18, 2018 at 1:21 pm #46650
One of the saddest things I have noticed is that the most restrictive registration laws are in the “bible belt” states, yet they seem to be the least forgiving people in the county. What kind of Christianity teaches this rather than forgiveness?
September 19, 2018 at 8:45 am #46662
I am sure glad people use data bases otherwise we could all say “Guilty as charged”. Now protecting a community from a sex offender is good but who is the physical sex offender and who is the internet sex offender. Who is setting one up and who is actually doing a physical assult in public? I would think that would make a big difference.
While one can go with the bible belt states and forgiveness theories, its basically true principals and understanding. Sure there is money and greed in all this sex offender ordeal. Should warnings be on those internet chat rooms enterances or is the 18 yrs or older age misleading to law encorcement or is that not a law responsiblity right their that one seems to breakown in law enforcement. Would taunting by e-mails in one’s mail bt seggestive by some unknown wanting one to “have some fun with me” with a screenname of lets get wild sexy.. Two wrongs don’t make a right in controling a community watch or is a decorated prisoner of war more honored in the community and he may of even killed and raped in his war.
Sure Safety is good if done properly to protect a community but it seems they pick on one class today the “sex offender”. This Recidivism rate well who would want to get burned twice. Even the detective in my case told me I’m the only person he knew that didn’t go to prison. Puzzling to me just for just having a potty mouth, and yes they consider that violent. So who stabs who in the back these days or is it Government at its best. So are we all guilty for not speaking up for all this. Sure we are all really responsible for ourselves or is love thy neighbor gone by the wayside today in this cherry picking society when government plays the villian. I wonder what limits the villian goes to?
September 19, 2018 at 10:33 pm #46671
Disingenuous at best. 9,000 running loose she says like a pack of wild animals, street gangs, or rotten politicians who bury their head in the sand when it comes time to do the right thing with data. Of course, analysis conducted by the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children, which was recently profiled here to show their misleading side, so their data always needs to be taken with more than a spoonful of sugar.
September 19, 2018 at 10:33 pm #46674
That horse is long time out of the barn. There’s no putting it back. Remember there are hundreds of privately owned SO sites.
September 21, 2018 at 3:30 pm #46817
Agreed. Even if SORNA and all state registries were found unconstitutional and abolished tomorrow, the Internet and private registries would still exist. I’m not sure we could ever prevent that information. I think, no matter what progress we make, that’s never going away.
September 22, 2018 at 5:08 pm #46854
IN the Doe cases SCOTUS failed to recognize congresses creation of an electronic market of information. It’s not hard to believe the creation of such information markets were capitalized upon, to the advantage of some, and the detriment detriment to others. All to easy for Surveillance Saints who claim more perfect information leads to a more perfect union. To understand notion of perfect information in markets one needs to understand macro economic theory. What Congress did in OMNIBUS94, was in fact common and well defined behavior known as “rent seeking.” That is, making law to guarantee future business by capturing a market. To pass Congress, a bill needs to placate only two major groups: Big business AND a big labor. SORNA boondoggle guaranteed each would profit politically and financially. I can expose it some in an FTR. How much can be exposed is correlated to the amount of leeway a judge allows a pro-se defendant!😁
IMO, it was always about the potential of the DATABASE to SECURE. (But what?) Would hacking of poll tabulation be an issue IF Americans had opted for paper ballots? Certainly not!
There is a price to pay concerning real liberty when one opts for electronic convenience. Online bankers risk period when they realize it or not. Identity protection available IF YOU CAN AFFORD IT.
September 25, 2018 at 11:53 am #46899
You make some excellent points that, honestly, I hadn’t really thought about. I suppose I had always been more focused on the blatant unconstitutionality of the registry and the typical arguments used by the state to support its existance (ie., “public protection”, “Civil regulation”, etc.). But, you’re right; there is much more to it. The typical arguments used so often by the state in support of the registry are honestly very easy to dispute when a strict interpretation of the constitution is applied; and, any judge knowledgeable of the constitution certainly would realize the conflict. Yet, still, here we are…
Perhaps, because – as you stated well – there is a much bigger underlying issue: To overturn the registry as unconstitutional would be an assault on Big Business and the current lucrative market of individuals data. I’ve often wondered why I’m required to list my email address (es) . Afterall, what is the point? Why would they need it? And, wouldn’t a warrant be needed to monitor it? Unless, it was given “voluntarily” under the guise of “Civil regulation”? Afterall, WHAT ARE THEY INFACT DOING WITH MY EMAIL ADDRESS? What does that have to do with…anything…especially as it relates to “Public Protection”?
You bring up a point I hadn’t really considered, but one now that I really can see as a primary motive for the very existance of the registry. It opens a big door for even more future arguments against privacy and the marketing of data for…everyone. And, afterall, YOU THE PUBLIC, were all for it (based on “Civil regulation”) don’t you remember?
#1 rule is $$$$ is behind nearly every unconstitutional law, war, and individual privacy violation.
September 25, 2018 at 6:44 pm #46909
The database has great advantage for the party who controls it\ them. The people worry about Google’s databases and all they contain. Fact is , that firm moved its operations onto ships. Ships are able to move. There is advantages from that choice. If a country began to crack down legally speaking, and limiting Google’s liberty then they can simply move to a nation that is more freindly.
Another truth is our deep state knew about the potential of databases ( as with all new technology) long before the general public. But there was much to overcome considering the people’s general understanding and fear concerning BIG BROTHER and the machines. Machiavelli and Orwell were widely read. The sex offender made the perfect scapegoat for surveillance saints and other government USES of the machine devices.
The reason state wants my and your email address and internet IDS is to impose affirmative disability. The email address goes into a database from which firms like Facebook use to ban registrants. Dating sites also USE the black list to deny service.
The courts in the DOE cases claimed to be striking a balance between public safety and the rights of offenders. We know the use of the ex post is forbidden except as regulatory, but SORNA while officially deemed so by the court was also intended as punishment in retribution or “paying again”.
September 23, 2018 at 11:27 pm #46882
Arkansas has 15,800 people on the sex registry, the second largest in the country, interesting. While some really don’t keep track of what happens in NC,VA and other states, should we all say recidivism rates are higher at reaffending, I believe that is up to each individual. I have a hard enough time to keep my saniity from reaffending when reading some of these outlandish comments on here. I’m sure I’m not alone when we read some of these comments. Its like the whole country has gone a bit overboard in this electronic age of spy and catch and evise drop to Scan, dupe, and intimidate one.
Now Carla Swanson wants to scale back restrictions. I wonder what one’s restrictions are today, to have our brains all altered, that we all can’t get true justice and speak out today on behalf of others. I wonder who’s moral ethics are wrong or who’s ethical ethics are wrong today. I wonder who’s character is better than others or are we all equal as Abe Lincoln said.
I wonder who’s playing the Billy Jack role in this game that people are playing with all this sex issue? Out of that figure that was mentioned how many were actually caught in the act in some physical encounter or how many were of an internet set-up based type senerio. I would have to say the physical actions dont’ justify the mental actions. So do actions speak louder than words than some person on the other end setting one up. Law enforcement do more to impound the problem than to safeguard the problem in these operation by their devious endeavors.
As Timothy said its big business and and information in markets. Sure we could all go with the love thy neighbor theory but love in this sex offender game is overshaddowed by those in law enforcements. Now if you really want a theory, one should type in the inserection of American Justice or go to American Association for Justice and check all this out. Sure NARSOL is in there for us in this sex offender issue all the step of the way and to help those also in this type of addiction. Even NARSOL is there to help in this enployment stigma type bias that we all go threw.
Sure we can all talk about honor among thieves or those conspiring to set those up with this sex angle and this recidivism scare but who is scaring who with this electronic database.
September 25, 2018 at 11:53 am #46900
“Arkansas has 15,800 people on the sex registry, the second largest in the country…”
I suppose it’s all in how you look at it and what research is used. For example, total registrants per state for the top 3 states per capita -in order of highest to lowest might include:
But, the actual highest number of registrants -as one might expect -generally reside in the most populated states:
#5 New York
It’s interesting that Michigan, for example, appears on both lists. And, as we know Michigan’s registry is in a current state of contest with regards to constitutionality rulings. California too, is currently trying to “restructure” it’s registry as it has well over 100k registrants.
Years ago, I actually thought to myself…at the rate the registry is growing, it’s only a matter of time before the attrition rate becomes so high before states will realize the high cost of supporting and monitoring them become burdensome both in terms of revenue and LE time . My point is, I think we are starting to see some of that occur, and as a result courts are beginning to rule in opposition of the last two decades… Not because they give a damn about following constitutional law, but because the numbers are becoming unmanageable, affecting so many people, and the registry is ineffective. Additionally, no state wants the title of “One of the leading states with the most sex offenders”, whether it be cumulative or per capita. In essence, they are beginning to realize the registry also reflects upon them, their citizens, their state, their tourism, their ability to attract new residents, and most importantly…their money. And that, I feel, is the key…and a primary reason things are finally beginning to change.
September 25, 2018 at 11:53 am #46901
….so, my thought is in addition to fighting every registry case possible based on legitimate constitutional challenges, it might be a very worthwhile tactic to also identify these “leading sex offender states” -cumulative and per capita- in each and every opportunity that media might present an opportunity. I dont think any state truley wants the notoriety that comes with that infamous championship trophy and the stigmatic benefits that accompany it. But, we should hand it to them and point it out with every opportunity.
September 24, 2018 at 7:24 pm #46893
Limit registry to LE would atleast be a start. Under the current climate, I won’t hold my breath…
I just read a new story out of Florida. There is an ammendment being considered that permits felons to get their voting rights back after serving their time…of course, it won’t apply to murderers or sex offenders.
“A majority of Florida voters support a proposition on the ballot in November that would restore voting rights to convicted felons, a poll released Monday showed.
The amendment would not apply to those who were convicted of murder or sexual offenses”
Regardless if it was midemeanor, felony, contact or no contact offense, apparently sex offenders won’t be eligible… equal justice?
September 26, 2018 at 8:41 am #46918
Limit sex offender Registry to law enforcement. Glen I never really thought about it that way. Is that like my states bigger than your state in gross income of sex offenders. I never thought about being on the registry as well as the other thousands in this bunch. I don’t think anyone ever thinks about being on the registry.
Sure we can Limit LE to their job but who comes out of the closet today? Should we limit the gay people or does one make a gay a gay. Does law enforcement make one a gay person or do they make a sex offender a offender? There is two sides to every coin. Should we of limited te sex industry to people playing monoply today with youths or just take a trip on LSD users today.
One article on here tells about Intergity and how it has just about faded in the past. Sure being strict is good but who’s playign cops and robbers today. Is it LE in their persuit to clean up the swamp, government going a bit overboard in we want to be a perfect nation or are is this just a controling factor to imprison the minds of those.
Sure I’m against gay, sure I’m against abortion, and a lot of other social things in life today. Now when computer life starts to be a police state and an LE controling factor thats when one has to say. is LE abusing the computer status and using their protect and serve billy club over the internet.
And I thoght drugs were mind alternating or is it pursauding of the fittest if you want to look at in that perspective. Colntroling is important but so is government and at times government takes advantage of situations as in some of these internet witch hunts as we have all said on here. There is one thing about humans and I’m sure everybody knows this. People will take advantage of you if you let them.
One story on here said they gat caught up in this ordeal and he didn’t even have any porn on his computer of kids. So what does one do pass the buck or lie to get out of a lie. These true figures may not even be true figures and government can say anything today to scare the american public. Once confronted LE will do everything they can to back their butts up as thats part of goverment or does one shot first and ask questions later.
September 27, 2018 at 8:28 pm #47040
All these petty cases do is congest an already cumbersome registry database. If a kid goes missing and law enforcement decided the first step was to shake down the sex offenders on their lists, they’d likely spend days or weeks going through a bunch of Romeo and Juliet’s and come up dry while the kids head is getting hacked off like Adam Walsh. High tier offenders might be a possibility to look at with no guarantees but usually when a person ends up on the registry, his identity and dna are well known so there’s nothing to hide behind anymore. Also the registry accomplish’s nothing to a offenders rehab when jobs shut you out when they find you online or you’re coworker’s expose you to the boss. Relationships are hard to find when you’re first impression is that you’re a psycho rapist and people can’t judge you on who you are, not what you are. Really, the registry is just a ugly thing. Simple entertainment for simple minded drama queens. It needs to be done away with.
October 30, 2018 at 7:21 pm #48418
Yet again (or still), no one is asking how the registry is such a great law enforcement tool. Everything the registry has is on NCIC and state counterparts. The registry has never prevented one single crime from being committed or was instrumental solving one single case. Google or Bing the term “sex offender arrested” and virtually all hits will regard parole or probation violations or status/registry created offenses. In the one or two that do not, the registry status of the accused is never known until after arrest, illustrating the registry is useless, LE only or not.
What is on the registry that is not immediately available from other sources? Nothing. Names, addresses, photos, and crimes of conviction are all in NCIC. The LE version may include fingerprints and maybe a DNA sample but again, already in NCIC. NCIC also lists all non-sex related arrests and convictions; the registry does not.
These are not arbitrary musings. Most cops will privately tell you the registry is useless for those very reasons. Those that don’t are the ones that get a thrill out of harassing registrants and I, for one doubt that that is coincidence.