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October 7, 2020 at 11:18 am #77127
By Sandy . . . WFMJ21 has reported on how the Trumbull County Sheriff’s Department has conducted a random, county-wide check on its residents who are
[See the full post at: Fact-checking registered sex offender information]
October 7, 2020 at 12:56 pm #77130
This is government sanctioned hatemongering and nothing less. NPR “All Things Considered” and Patch all have summarily ignored letters that challenge their intentional false narratives with empirical data. This is why our only hope lies with the court system and even that is not guaranteed since so many judges are willing to contort the law and the constitution to the most grotesque of extremes to uphold these obviously punitive, life-crippling, life endangering laws. Simply put this issue is one where the truth does not matter one bit to those in authority or the vast majority of the public in general.
If you doubt my assertion, just read the ruling in the case of People v. Pepitone, 2018 IL 122034
The Illinois Supreme Court upheld the banishing of PFRs from parks, etc. even though the reason they upheld the ruling had been soundly disproven. The court’s reasoning was based on the long-debunked “frightening and high” myth that came from a self-serving “treatment provider” who published an article in “Psychology Today” claiming that 80% of untreated “sex offenders” will go on to sexually re-offend. His name was Robert Freeman-Longo. He was peddling his own treatment program to the state of California at the time if I’m not mistaken.
October 7, 2020 at 3:38 pm #77139
Tim in WI
I find it cathartic to fack check Rock County WI sheriff’s at failure to provide information trial. Naturally I have them read the transcript and other formal paperwork ( gov forms from sex conviction 0 in open court. Fact 1 there is no record of the duty to register in my case file on record at the clerks office. I explain to the jury that either these records are necessary OR they are not for a DOC commitment tp be considered ” lawful. ”
Nowhere in Alaska V Doe does the SC state these facts cant be used in an offenders defense in FTR, in ex post failure to register cases! In fact, Justice Souter put it best when he stated – when registration obligations outpace stated legislative aims there is serious room for argument that the states are merely revisiting past crimes rather than preventing new ones.
October 8, 2020 at 6:53 am #77152
They DO NOT CARE about REAL facts, only the figures that help further their agenda. They use the media to create whatever buzz they need and play off of people’s reactions to the imagery they’re shown. You’ll find often enough that supporters of the registry and “tough on offenders” or “pro-alleged victim” laws usually throw in terms like “for the people” or “democracy”.
That’s because they perfected this platform of easy voter support. It’s the Achilles heel of the legal world, and even worse is the class of “child sex crimes”. Those words instantly shatter ANY person’s defense, and effectively negate ANY rights of due process. Prosecutors got good at those cases, going so far as to prioritize them as shining examples.
Like that Kamala Harris, seems she can’t do much to hide her prosecutorial nature. Always going on about “child molesters” and “child sex crimes”. Hmmm…makes you wonder if Biden/Harris is more about securing the sex offender registry and stacking the courts against offenders than it is about the Black Lives Matters emergency fundraiser the media sold us…
October 8, 2020 at 9:01 am #77158
And the argument back to that should be this:
So, now that they’ve been through “treatment”, what’s the excuse for continuing the banishment and police harassment (check ups) and the extreme amount of time on the registry?
October 8, 2020 at 9:02 am #77159
We have a hard enough time trying to get the “Christian” conservative Republicans to change these ludicrous laws, but with Harris mentioning last night in the debate that a Biden presidency would implement a “national bad cop registry”, getting the democrats to end the SOR would be a complete waste of time. Politicians love the shame game witch hunt. Period.
October 8, 2020 at 2:34 pm #77167
H n H
Maestro… What’s wrong with a bad cop registry? I like the idea, then… If on “the list” they could be barred from various jobs, places to live, etc etc. Then they could see what it’s like living as a registered citizen, then maybe we can see some changes. In my state we already have a drug offender registry as well as a violent offender registry. So the idea of registries is growing. Like Pandoras box, it’s been opened and the courts have given their blessings on the mess, so… Let’s go all in and let the rest of society see what it’s like. Heck, maybe we could get a corrupt politician registry fired up while we’re at it. Lol
October 8, 2020 at 2:35 pm #77174
A national bad cop register has been floated before and not just by Sen Harris, but Sen Booker IIRC from recent discussions on this topic. I should say there is already one by a national paper media corporation if one takes the time to research it online.
When will there be a national bad politician list that requires no registration efforts but common public knowledge that is put out there for the masses to read?
October 8, 2020 at 2:36 pm #77175
Facts should matter
“Deputies say their biggest fear is that an offender out of prison could re-offend.”
Nice Freudian slip. They actually think that there is NO deterrent from re-offending other than being in prison. That just goes to show they want to keep us all in prison, also. The registry provides no deterrent effect… these sweeps, again, provide no deterrent effect, but look at these goons grandstanding thinking they’re being “pro-active” with their clown shows!
What pisses me off the most is that they’re taking FALSE recognition/credit for something they’re not even responsible for preventing. They’re not promoting public safety with all this nonsense… it’s more like security theater via showboating for easy brownie points.
October 9, 2020 at 6:41 am #77184
Another good post from Sandy.
The justice system is not something that anyone should get themselves sucked into for serious crimes. Most definitely not the SO ones. It is a system of darkness, doom, and death. It is built to reel in as many people as it could, and then deal as much damage to them as possible, both for the level of severity for the crimes and for the feeling of the general public towards them. There’s very little damage that could be done towards someone that stole a bike or a candy bar but with SOs, society has allowed much, much damage to be done towards them.
Law enforcement sweeps are certainly not what keeps SOs from reoffending. At least that wouldn’t be the main reason. A lot of them do not reoffend simply because they have no desire to. They have learned their lesson and do desire to change and put the past behind them. The sweeps actually don’t make much of a difference, seeing as how a number of law enforcement, prosecutors, and other members of society are hellbent on the destruction of SOs through the justice system, regardless of whether there is any risk of reoffending or not. A lot of SOs have lost their lives as they were locked up and would never have reoffended at all. Preventing SOs from reoffending is not the main objective of law enforcement but rather it’s their destruction.
As I’ve said before, there is an “ignorance” behind the vendetta which most Americans have towards SOs. A lot of people are unaware that teens and women have commit such crimes, some teen girls have lied about their age and knowingly and deliberately had sexual relations with men, law enforcement have baited and set some men up through some fake online profile, and that some men are SOs simply for urinating in public. The ones who are well aware of those things simply blot them out of their minds, and in some cases, the men would downplay male sexual victimization by women. Like those cases where an attractive teacher was charged with sleeping with a student.
I want to add that there was a case where a boy had a severe contact crime which he committed towards a younger girl. There were actually a group of youth advocates wanted leniency, and understanding perhaps, simply for his age. They spoke out in his favor. I don’t remember much but he must have been like 13 and the girl 7. Something along those lines.
October 9, 2020 at 8:16 am #77189
First, Let us Thank Ms. Sandy for responding to ‘these people’
Second, As a Kindly Reminder, NPR, has Slowly become a “splintered, tethered, and less focused” trusted Media Source. Remember, they are on the ‘CUSPS OF BANKRUPTCY’
SO, ‘they’ will continue to ‘STUB THEIR TWO TOES’
October 9, 2020 at 5:20 pm #77198
-Facts should matter
You’re right. Confinement is the primary deterrent that law enforcement and prosecutors and most other citizens are focused on. If an SO is lucky enough to even make it back out into society, they must live in a similar way as to when they were locked up (this sort of thing will happen on a grand-scale, as part of the Luciferian one world order, which I won’t get into here).
Not many people believe in such things, but I do know that there is a real evil that’s heavily involved with the justice system. It is an intelligence, an actual presence, that is not concerned with the well-being of minors at all, as it’s forces constantly possess law enforcement, prosecutors, and jury members while influencing their thoughts, words, and actions against SOs. If anything, that evil is what actually perpetuates those crimes in the first place. No one outside of this site will hear these sort of things anywhere else. These are the forces behind SO crimes, cancer, pollution, and so many other bad things. I wish I could go further into all of that but this response is long enough.
When I was caught up with the system, a group of prosecutors whom my lawyer had spoken with, were hellbent on killing me off. There was no talk of wearing an ankle monitor, house arrest, regular therapy, therapy for SOs, classes for SOs, so-called “sex addiction” treatment, taking medication, curfew, or a daily log in which my whereabouts and certain activities that I’ve done were written. It was done-deal, end my life. No if and buts about it. They were a group who specifically worked on SO cases, and didn’t include the prosecutor who was assigned to my case, who had also wanted me dead. They were fixed in their desire for me to receive a terrible outcome of that case. There was no consideration of the manipulation of a confession from the detective and the lies he wrote on his report whatsoever. They didn’t know that his female assistant had shown him some psyche meds of mine “on the low,” or basically in a way for me not to notice what she was doing. The detective swept that find under the rug. Even if they did know those things, it wouldn’t matter. It would have made no difference. They would’ve still worked towards evil. Truth and justice is near non-existent in that system.
The system is a monstrosity, an abomination, and should be avoided at all costs. It is an evil that people who are predisposed to SO crimes, to never get themselves sucked into. Take it from me. Especially those predisposed to getting involved with CP, which I got caught up in.
October 9, 2020 at 6:01 pm #77202
H n H,
A “bad cop” registry is not going to cause the public to be scared. Many law enforcement supporters would be against it and have all kinds of justifications as to why we shouldn’t have a registry like that. My favorite line to read from comments on social media when someone uploads a video of a cop getting forceful is “Dont commit crimes and this won’t happen”. They’re all self righteous and always assume the person being harassed by the cop is/has done something wrong. They live in denial that police can be and are a-holes a lot of the time.
Also, a bad cop registry won’t prevent these former officers from living productive lives and won’t stop them from being able to go anywhere.
No one will care about a cop who was a little too excessive in his/her arrest of someone.
I didn’t say the bad cop registry was a bad idea, I said that if Biden/Harris implement such a thing, it goes to show that both political parties are all for registries to embarrass people.
October 9, 2020 at 6:31 pm #77204
The real question is would there ever be a politician who speaks in the favor of SOs and works towards reforming the registry and some laws. Unfortunately the chances of that are very, very slim.
Hey moderators, what happened to my other reply?
October 10, 2020 at 10:40 am #77212
Sandy, what an excellent article. Would be wonderful if Trumbull County would respond and do some fact checking of their own. But it is not in their interest to do so. Wish that article could be published elsewhere in the state so that it could reach more than those who already know the facts.
October 10, 2020 at 10:41 am #77213
In the day of short attention spans, having to sift through mountains of propaganda in our daily lives of both questionable origin and dubious truth, and a POTUS who uses simple (and sometimes made up) words such as BAD, WRONG, and BIGLY, I would like to very strongly encourage and possibly IMPLORE the NARSOL organization (and perhaps every registered citizen when appropriate) to place and plant this very simple, clear, and easy to understand FBI pie chart anywhere and everywhere it can, not limited to, but including emailing directly to various organizations and journalists, and when replying to articles such as this one. Should NARSOL also allocate funds to print these out in business card size and provide them to every registrant, journalist and politician of every state and local office in the US?
So much of what is written and espoused by NARSOL can be summed up in this one pie chart. If we are living in Idiocracy, something this simple could grab hold as viral and take hold in a way that may be underappreciated.
October 10, 2020 at 10:42 am #77214
Public perception is probably the biggest hurdle the Cause faces in creating change. News media has become a business and they know what draws eyes and advertising dollars to their programs. SOR stories are a layup for them. They are easy money grabs. Viewers get their false views reinforced and the news business get paid. Then this spills over into politics, where most of the government positions rely on votes. The incentives to perpetuate the dehumanization of people forced to register are so strong and pervasive. Heading off bad legislation and challenges in court have either slowed the ratcheting up of severity or resulted in some incremental victories. But I think deeper longer-lasting changes lie within the public’s knowledge and perception of the issue at hand. Sometimes there is a home run at the SCOTUS level, like Brown vs. Board of Education or Obergefell v. Hodges, in which change and acceptance of oppressed groups is forced upon the masses. But these are rare events. And based on recent court decisions regarding the registry, I am not holding my breath that our home run is coming anytime soon.
I hope one day there is a moment of clarity; a galvanizing moment where the public does pause and reconsider things. This happened with slavery, when “Uncle Tom’s Cabin” was published and it opened up the eyes of those who were not fully aware of what was going on. The picture of Emmet Till in his open casket, the dog attacks and fire-hosing of peaceful protesters showed the ugly underbelly of Jim Crow Laws and changed peoples hearts and minds towards the Civil Rights Movement. I hope one day our Cause has a moment like this.
October 10, 2020 at 1:10 pm #77219
cops didnt do it. congress did. before God and Country. state legislatures did it for money.
October 10, 2020 at 4:20 pm #77225
What they ( The law makers ) is, it is not just us on the registry. Our families , friends, loved ones and co-workers suffer as well. When we cannot take our Grandchild to Disney and they do not understand why Papa can’t go to Disney World with them. When we are afraid to date because of the stigma placed on us. When we cannot go on vacation with our family. when Papa cannot take them to the playground at the school on the weekends even though everyone else is allowed to take their kids and grandkids there.
Why we cannot come see their play or recital at school.
I could go on and on but the judges, law makers and enforcers say it is OUR fault we cannot do anything with our families. REALLY? I did my time for something that happened 30 years ago when there were no registries. Did I cause my family heart ache and pain ? Yes. Is it my fault I am on the registry? I think not since I never got a say in court, it was an add on years after I was sentenced. The law only seems to be upheld as they seem fit, not as constitutionally fair.
October 10, 2020 at 4:57 pm #77228
Let’s Bottom-Line this thing right here and now. The Registry as it stands today; is all about persecution, and eradication. It is NOT about Rehabilitation. It is about State Sanctioned Mass Homicides against US. Oh sure they’re ‘Trying’ to end Vigilante Justice when Vigilantes attack and kill US, but after the fact, it’s too late. We would still be hurt badly or dead! So no matter how you put it. The System won’t change until The Congress-House of Representatives AND Senate-decides to CREATE CHANGE by changing or eradicating the Laws of Community Notification on where we live and work. Until then however, forget it!
October 12, 2020 at 3:00 pm #77262
The media really is a business. Not just a business either, but also a brainwash, conditioning, indoctrination tool. It has been said that TV screens induce a hypnotic trance in the minds of viewers. Such a thing is way more prevalent now, with the HD flatscreen TVs (some of them being “smart TVs,” and there are the newer 4K and even newer 8K TVs now) but has been happening since as long as television has been around. Television influences the thoughts, opinions, and actions of the masses, most of them from when they were children. Nowadays it’s not just television but also the internet, with the use of PCs, smartphones, and tablets.
There have been a number of occult practitioners and psychologists (if you came across any of the other stuff I wrote here before, you would know how I feel about these “doctors” and the mental health system in general and the terrible experiences I’ve received from certain people that were apart of it) who have been involved in the manipulation of the masses by the media.
A large number businesses and corporations have been built and maintained by people who were occultists, such as Walt Disney. Supposedly a large number of businessmen and politicians are apart of occult, secret societies. Corporations understand some aspects of human psychology, and know just how to manipulate people into getting hooked onto their products and compulsively buying them. For example: the use of a certain color, or colors in the brands, or a company listing a product as $99.99 instead of $100 to play the consumers into believing that $99.99 is much less (consumers would see odd numbers as being less, like $1.99 as compared to $2.00 for instance).
The blue light of a TV screen, as well as certain patterns (like moving circles for example) on a number of programs from news stations and programs from other networks, are some of things which induce a hypnotic trance among viewers. A trance that is still present for serveral hours even after a viewer has stopped watching TV. Take also into account, the dehumanization (I’ve written about this before on a different site, while using the same word and I wish I could go further, but won’t write it here since mods might remove it, I’m trying to keep this reply short), violence, and mass oversexualization of society that has been perpetuated by the media and entertainment industry through TV shows, movies, music, music videos, and video games. The porn industry has a part in those things too.
I’m glad that you, as a professional I guess, would acknowledge the evils of the mass media.
October 12, 2020 at 3:02 pm #77263
A Mistake They Made
Trumbull County Sheriff’s Department has conducted a random, county-wide check on its residents who are on Ohio’s sex offense registry.
The Fourth Amendment of the U.S. Constitution provides that “[t]he right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.”
What happened to this right? Simple the false sense of safety of the people is now more powerful then the constitution because law makers were aloud to make law contrary to the constitution for safety sake. It all started with DUI, and MADD and now according to Kamala Harris the police could end up on a registry as well. Sure I would not mind the cops getting a dose of the state ran black list but if this continues there will be no going back. State ran black listing must be stamped out. We need Judges in the courtroom that have constitutional OCD. We need people in congress and in the white house that believe in the constitution or we will never be free.
October 13, 2020 at 8:35 am #77280
When I clicked “averages 5.3%, up came an article that studied released inmates from 1994. How in the world can you ever use that ancient study? Come on now.
Please cite very recent studies to show nay-sayers RECENT information. No, the percentages may not have changed much, but people are much more likely to believe recent studies.
Sincerely, Matt, a registered citizen in Wisconsin, keeping clean.
October 13, 2020 at 9:06 am #77300
Thank you, Matt. Yes, it is old, but it is still recognized as THE most comprehensive and definitive study ever done and is still quoted in virtually every article done about recidivism. It was by the DOJ. For more recent, and state specific, studies, I have compiled this for every state for which I could find a study. They are as recent as I could find. https://narsol.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/all_state_reoffense_chart.pdf
October 13, 2020 at 12:07 pm #77313
What we need is a fake news registry.
October 21, 2020 at 6:37 am #77498
Tim in WI
A jury is a group of peers but not a bank of bought in judges! Judge Matsch had to witness the testimonials of registrants……… the bank that overturned his ” cruel and unusual ” opinion did not !!!!!!!! Elitism’s Epitome!
Matsch was first to opine and express the manifest evil found in the unlawful indenture of human to life time servitude of a database driven machine opposed like liberty to the edicts underpinned by the 13th. I think the pillow over Scalia’s face came by the same epiphany in revelation. Naturally the disappointment in St. Peter’s eyes comes to mind.