Awesome Victory in Montana

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      Larry Neely

      By Larry . . . The case of Menges v. Knudsen is a challenge against the attorney general of the state of Montana and various other governmental offici
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      Tim in WI

      Ultimately this decision was reached despite the homosex involved. The homosexuality was not at issue, per say. It was just the comparative necessity of registration involved based in the presumption by the state of MT. To campare laws the process REQUIRES lawyers from both side and a judge as referee. This case the guy, like the cases in Alabama, wasn’t afforded that due process.

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      So is the state of Montana saying that homosexuality is a threat to public safety? Are they making it equivalent to the horrors that happened to Megan Kanka, Jason Wetterling and Jessica Lunsford? The reasons behind why we even have a registry?
      I’m sure the attorneys for the registrant know what they’re doing but it would really be nice to know that an attorney asked these types of questions and make total clowns of the state’s attorneys.
      Consensual sex be it gay or straight with a “minor” (as they call the 16 yr old as if a 2 yr age difference is the end of the world) is NOT the reason why a registry was started in the first place. Period.

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        Tim in WI

        Historically speaking YES homosex was defined by American Society to be deviant behavior. Some lay deviant claim to it as an unnatural act while others do so because of how the bible teaches. Our founders were all from one of these two ilks: Naturalist (agnostics) and evangelical. Obviously man on man given consent is no real threat to social order in of itself, however the impetus toward altering long standing standard definitions is a serious threat to liberty.

        The most important acknowledgement by this court was not the normative association with homosex, rather it was the identification of forced registration regime as punitive in intent concerning the people’s use of the database.

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          Yes, I know that. And I think many people know that about laws regarding homosexuality. However, making it an offense requiring to register as a “threat to public safety” is going a bit too far. Religious beliefs or not.
          Homosexuality or any other consensual sexual relationship (the “minor” being shy of the legal age of consent) was NOT the reason the registry was started in the first place. The states either need to stick to what the registry was meant for or sh*t can the whole thing once and for all.
          When even skinny dipping can land people on the registry, there’s a serious problem.

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            Tim in WI

            I agree there is something wrong and that something is the people’s use of the database to render human subservience. A database is property with similarities to the effect incarceration. A property which upon a citizens inclusion limits the citizens access to other properties even for perfectly lawful behaviors or activity.
            A registered man walking his dog in an Illinois park is unlawful and punishable by felony, as example. In other words plain affirmative restraint. Obviously, hat was always the retributive intent as residence restrictions flowed from the database itself. Free men are paid to maintain machines.

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            Actually, skinny dipping can land you on the sex offender registry. The charge would be indecent exposure, which is a registrationable offense.

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