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    By Anna Beahm . . . A federal district judge has ruled parts of Alabama’s sex offender registration and notification laws are unconstitutional under t
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    Retta Carl

    Its about time someone with a brain and some common sense and in a position of authority starts making sure our US laws are followed for everyone!

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      WC_TN

      I wonder if the section of the ruling that requires offenders to have a branded driver’s license or state ID that brands them a sex offender can be used to challenge that requirement in Tennessee? We have to have a restriction Code 88 on our license. Our license does not literally have a red “SEX OFFENDER” stamp on it, but the restriction code does point out to L.E. that we’re registered citizens.

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        Ed C

        I haven’t yet read the decision, but the answer to your question is “yes” and “no”. If the judge did indeed declare license branding as unconstitutional, that can be referenced in a Tennessee lawsuit. Since the decision is only at the district level, and not even in your circuit (Georgia 11th and Tennessee 6th), it does not constitute binding precedent.

        The good news is that the decision can be considered “persuasive” by any court. The judiciary is supposed to attempt to have some consistency in its decisions. Judges like anybody else don’t like to stick their necks out by breaking new legal ground, particularly regarding touchy subjects. Once it has been done by another judge, they are more comfortable with radical decisions. I’d say go for it.

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          Ed C

          Oops, Alabama.

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        Mr. Jones

        The BIG BRIGHT RED lettering on Alabama drivers license reads: CRIMINAL SEX OFFENDER

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          Mr branded

          Just received letter saying hey you sex offender be ready to get new licence with a different designator. …! Does not matter if it is a j for JEW OR THE STAR OF DAVID ..ETC….ALL CAN SEE AND BE PREJUDICIAL. .. !!! WE ARE WZISTING TIME !! MONEY !!! WE MUST FORCE LEGISLATIVE AND CORE LAWS TO STOP THIS NOT SO MERRY GO ROUND AND ROUND WITH TYE SAME ISSUES AND DIFFEEENT TWISTS !!! WHAT GOOD IS ALL THIS IF WE ARE USED AS THE BUFFER FOR STOPPING SEX ABUSE AT OUR EXPENCE !!!

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    raj

    The entire registry is unconstitutional.

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      Ed C

      You may be right, raj. But until the Supreme Court says otherwise, registries are constitutional.

      We are seeing a number of hopeful signs. There is this Alabama decision, that great amicus brief from the Michigan Attorney General, and the Millard decision out of Colorado, etc. Collectively, we need to keep hammering in the courts while we do what we can to educate the public.

      Eventually, an appeal will reach the Supreme Court. Circumstances have changed dramatically since Justice Stevens’ “frightening and high” comment in 2002. All credible research shows that SO’s have an extremely low recidivism rate, and that the registry does nothing to promote public safety. Thanks to dedicated organizations like NARSOL, and individuals with the courage to confront the government in the courts, steady (but too slow) progress is being made.

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        Mike

        It always amazes me how many people get this wrong…..It was Justice Kennedy that quoted the phrase “frightening and high” from a magazine. Justice Kennedy is now retired.

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          Ed C

          Oops. I actually knew that. Thanks for the correction.

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    Mig

    NARSOL,
    What is the trickle-down of this ruling to other states? I am in Louisiana and have “SEX OFFENDER” in red letters across my driver’s license & a separate state ID (Registered citizens are required to have 2 such IDs). Also, Louisiana requires all email, online IDs, etc. (and passwords) to be provided to law enforcement. Finally, Louisiana requires registered citizens to post on any social media their crimes on the profile page. Again, how might this Alabama ruling affect other states?

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      Timothy

      Mig,
      No doubt Louisiana law has evolved from unique ancestry. Many aspects of Napoleonic process differ from those of us in the north of the country. What I know of it comes mostly from reading the works of Sister Prejean.

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      TS

      @Mig

      See the comment from Ed C about this decision being persuasive which could help an TN challenge. At the same time, it needs to be a 1st Amend challenge too. Somewhere on this website, you can read about the OK DL challenge and learn some lessons there (which should rechallenge their DL registrant law with this decision along a 1st Amend avenue) – maybe the moderator could link that article here?

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        Mig

        I am curious… would being forced by the state of Louisiana to send out postcards to every single address within a certain distance of my residence stating my “crime” also be considered compelled speech? Also, I am required to place a classified ad in my local newspaper that has my photo, address, and “crime”. Isn’t that compelled speech?
        How do I get the ball rolling on fighting this? What kind of lawyer do I need? Does the ACLU ever have any interest in this sort of thing? Please help!

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          Timothy

          Mig,
          Compelled speech applies to individuals right to decline. Gov agents are obligated to do it following the law. Call any constitutional attorney, get a free or discounted initial look. Happens all the time. In Louisiana you suffer Napoleonic tradition in law which is different from the northern states in ways not for discussion here. Search up aid from groups like those of
          Sister Helen Prejean for a starters. Best of luck.

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    Timothy

    Like I explained to the Jury of 12 The SOR form is an agent in my mail box. Wanting to look over my shoulder for information on my computer.

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    Dustin

    Encouraging, but not certain if it will survive appeal.

    If it were me, I would register every public wifi in the city and spend a few hours a day creating as many dummy email addresses as I could with a goal of registering 500 a week, just to see how the registration office would react. Betting the registration office itself would then voice some opposition. I’m sure threats of arrest would be inherent, but how can they logically arrest someone for compliance with the law? (Not that logic has ever played a role in SO law creation and enforcement)

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      Timothy

      Dustin,
      Good idea, my state offers a phone number to update! Just remember it MUST BE ACCURATE! Providing false information is a crime too. This “threading a needle” concept is worthy fodder for any judge or jury! It is darn near impossible to list all necessary information. Besides that the notion violates free speech by forcing answers under penalty of law. Here judge addresses ” carrying gov message” a different “form of speech right.”

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    Gralphr

    People get angry when you compare sex offender laws to the jews in nazi Germany, but other than the the gas chamber, they’re very similar. Forcing one to have identification marking them as a sex offender is like forcing someone to wear the star of David. Marking passports, etc. Should be illegal as well.

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    Jim

    Does this mean I can now go get an Alabama drivers license that is not branded with “criminal sex offender”?

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      Timothy

      Yes, once the law (statute) has changed.

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      Ed C

      There is only one way to answer that question. Go to the DMV with a copy of the decision, and demand a new non-branded license. If you are refused, record names, date, time, and get a written refusal if possible.

      According to a federal district court, this is a fundamental violation of your First Amendment rights. It will take time for the state to determine the “least restrictive means of advancing its interest”, and for the courts to agree. Meanwhile, you are suffering harm from the constitutional violation. It should be the state’s responsibility to repair the harm during any interim.

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    Jim

    Timothy, the state of AL is very deliberate in keeping RSO’s uninformed unless it is a change for the worse. Is there a website or some way I can determine when the statute changes.

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      Timothy

      Jim,
      NARSOL WIKI\ALABAMA!

      Know the law! I strenuously suggest you get to know the codes well. Start with the current statutes on SOR, TRIAL PROCEDURES, CIVIL APPEALS, it’s all in the statutes, and chapters, and section. Make sure you know DOC or DPS codes, regulations.

      It your life!

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    Rich

    Is there any word if the Al A.G. is going to appeal? I read somewhere he has 30 days. Correct? What does this mean for the rest of us in Al?

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    Chef

    I spoke with the representing attorneys office a week ago. They said look out for a notice in the mail within 90 days for instructions and verification to change the Scarlet Lettering.

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      Jay

      Since the DL and internet monikers provisions of the law have been ruled unconstitutional, does that mean the law changes, or do we wait for the legislatures to amend it? I register in April (quarterly, in Alabama) and if I can get that crap off of my DL now, even if the ruling is appealed, I’d like to bring it up to the registering agancies (I register with PD and SD because I live in city limits). I noticed a comment stating to look for info in the mail within 90 days, but do we have to wait for them. The 2 officers that handle my registration are easy-going and as long as you do what you’re suposed to, they’re good. I want to move to Georgia (mainly for better medical care) soon. I remember when we had a separate ID for sex offenders and the DL was normal. When that law was passed, the purpose (according to the folks in Montgomery) that it was mainly for LE to identify SO’s. If I were a LEO, I’d rather know I just pulled over a murderer, or violent felon…not a sex offender!! Also, I found out that in georgia, if you are considered disbaled (draw SSI or SSDI) you can apply to be removed from the registry..you have to register, but you name/pic/etc is not allowed on the official webiste for sex offenders. I’ve been watching this ruling since it came out and glad I found this blog. Great work and great information here. Thanks to the admin(s). Good job. Jay

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    Rich

    I live in Shelby county which is not in the jurisdiction of this particular court. So what does that mean for me? I’m SOL? Or what?

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      Ed C

      I just looked closely at the decision. On the issue of license branding, the court held “[t]he State of Alabama’s branded-identification requirement, Ala. Code § 15-20A-18, is DECLARED unconstitutional as applied to Plaintiffs.” This “as applied” term means that the decision strictly applies only to those bringing the lawsuit. So, I have no idea where other Alabama registrants stand.

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    Rich

    I saw the stipulation about the DL branding. However the internet requirement was declared facially unconstitutional. So does that mean it applies to all of us? As for the DL issue, how will it eventually apply to the rest of us? It seems something being declared unconstitutional really doesn’t mean anything.

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    Jay

    I’ve been trying to keep up with this case, and the latest news is that the AG filed a post-judgement motion, and will decide whether to appeal the ruling after the court rules on the motion. Not really sure what it means or how long the Judge/court has to rule on the motion. Maybe they are asking the Judge to reconsider his ruling, and if he doesn’t, then they’ll wait until last day to file an appeal, thus keeping the current laws on the books. I don’t understand this, just guessing on my part. Here’s the story from 6 days ago:
    http://www.wsfa.com/2019/03/14/sex-offender-ruling-could-mean-less-information-police/

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    Mike

    Hello i found some interesting information on the Doj they have a report stating recidivism rates are 3.5% and yet don’t say anything about but yet it is on there website for anyone to see & it’s on Smart.gov website almost identical report 3.5% I don’t understand why then is the registry is still up n running?

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    Rich

    Today I received a letter from the Al. Law Enforcement Agency stating that they are replacing “Criminal Sex Offender” with a code. It says to go the the dmv and have a new license made. There isn’t supposed to be any charge if you are outside the 180 day renewal period, which I am. I’m betting the code will be C.S.O. in bright red letters.

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    Jay

    I just received a letter from ALEA informing that they are replacing the big red CSO with a code, and I can go to the nearest drivers license office and get the new license. I just hope the “code” they mentioned isn’t a big S or something that covers the entire license.

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    ed Bo

    I got my new alabama CSO license today. It has a new code under you name, CV606.
    No more CSO on the license!! This is great news, hope the laws get even better for us soon. We suffered too much.

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      mr branded

      Can anyone tell me how much time energy $$$$$$$$ were put into this Alabama lawsuit ….????
      ALL FOR WHAT OUT COME ???? JUST TO HAVE ANOTHER MARK !!!!
      WHAT ARE WE DOING ….WE NEED TO TELL THE COURTS IT IS NOT ACCEPTABLE OR RIGHT OR MORAL OR FAIR, JUST, FOR THE PROSECUTION-STATE TO CHANGE LITTLE STUPID QUIMS !!!…BUT DO EXACTLY WHAT THE LAWSUIT SPELLS OUT TO BE UNCONSTITUTIONAL AND AGAINST CIVIL RIGHTS TO LIVE IN SOCIETY AS FREE AND WITHOUT PREJUDICE !!!!
      WE SHOULD BE STORMING THOSE COURTS AND STOPPING THIS CONTINUAL BOMBARDMENT OF OUR RIGHTS BEING VIOLATED !!!!!!!!
      THIS IS NOOOOOOOOO VICTORY, HELLLLP OR BETTER IN ANYWAY !!!!!
      NOW I HAVE TO WAIST TIME AND ENERGY TO GO SEE MORE PEOPLE WHO ARE ABLE TO GET IN MY PERSONAL/LIFE AND BUSINESS….EVERY PERSON WHO IS ABLE TO VIEW MY INFORMATION BURIES ME DEEPER IN TROUBLE LIVING IN SOCIETY, I.E. …..SALLY WORKS FOR DMV SALLY TALKS ABOUT HOW MR. SO AND SO IN THE SMALL TOWN IS KNOWN AND SHE SPREADS THE WORD ABOUT ME (WHICH IS REALLY HAPPENING)….SO NOW I HAVE MORE PEOPLE WHO CAN LEARN AND CAUSE ME MORE DAMAGE AND LOSS AND TROUBLE AND ON AND ON AND ON !!!!!!!!!
      THIS IS TOTALLY F@$#!% UP !!!!!!!!!
      ALL THIS CRAP IS GETTING NOOOOOO RESULTS !!!!!!!!!!
      WHY CANT PEOPLE DEMAND OTHER PEOPLE STOP THE HOUNDING AND BADGERING EX OFFENDERS IT IS NOT ALLOWED, TO BUILD-STRUCTURE LAWS TO BOX, OR CAGE PEOPLE IN A WEB OF NON STOP RULES, REGULATIONS AND LAWS THAT PENETRATE EX OFFENDERS LIVES AT EVERY LEVEL AND BURDEN THEM WITH MOUNTAINS OF UNREASONABLE, IRRATIONAL IMPOSITIONS !!!!! I TOLD PEOPLE ON THIS SITE AND OTHERS !!!!!!!!
      THE BULLY DOES NOT STOP UNTIL YOU HIT THEM IN THE NOGGIN AND THE BLOW HITS HOME !!!
      THE LAWS ARE ABLE TOO WEAZZELLL AND CONJURE WHATEVER THEY SEE…….. BUT IT IS NOT FOUNDED ON ACCEPTABLE STANDARDS OR MORALS, ETHICS AND VALUES, PRINCIPLES !!!!
      THE COURTS MUST BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE

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