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October 4, 2016 at 8:58 pm #9148
By Michael Rosenberg . . . Depending on personal experience, a person in violation of the law is a monster, an errant architect of his own fate, a hee
[See the full post at: Absurd laws turn sexting teens into child pornographers]
October 5, 2016 at 10:49 am #9149
They shoot themselves in the foot with this law. All the parents who were against us before will have an eye opening experience when their kids are forced to register as SOs..
October 5, 2016 at 4:39 pm #9150
Today I visited with my probation officer. I had a polygraph test on Monday. I was asked questions about buying beer and if I had ever been on Facebook. I told the examiner I was. When he heard that he told me to wait in the waiting room and he wanted to confer with my PO about this. So he comes out and informs me that I don’t have to take the test but that my PO would contact me. I went there today to talk and explain why I was on there, that they could check my computer but no beans. So I have violated my probation and have to go to court sometime after Halloween.
While I told the truth about being on Facebook and they could look at my computer I violated his being honest, so now its up to a court as its out of the PO’s hand. Any advice guys? My whole adventure was a deception to start with but they want to ad more to it and Facebook should of known about me to start with.
All I know is that I tried to reason with my PO but he was stone faced as always and would rather glean or groom me when I visit his office and more of less listens than gives advice. So I don’t know which way to turn. I want to make a stand but I also want to make a stand for others… Now the good book always says think of others better than yourself.
October 5, 2016 at 5:39 pm #9151
Hey James…i don’t know if there’s much you can do at this point. Yes, you were honest about Facebook but on the other hand you know you shouldn’t have been on there in the first place.
My experience has been that probation sets the tone. In my SOT whenever there was a violation it was usually punished- regardless of whether or not the person ‘fessed up.
At least you didn’t have to take the polygraph. So that’s good. Any questions you fail will bear intense scrutiny- in my SOT if you fail a question it’s assumed you violated that rule. Which is insane because polygraphs are extremely unreliable.
If this is your first violation maybe it won’t be a big deal. Good luck James..
October 5, 2016 at 9:12 pm #9152
James I think that is terrible. Even if it wasn’t a probation violation it would had likely been a registry violation in many states.
When I hear things like this I actually feel fear. How hard would it be for someone else to create a Facebook account with my name and pretend to be me. It wouldn’t matter how much I try to explain it away I would still be charged.
These polygraph tests are designed to get you to incriminate yourself. This is wrong on so many levels, I don’t have the words to express how much it bothers me.
My advice is do not talk to any more law enforcement or probation officers unless you have an attorney present.
October 6, 2016 at 10:44 pm #9153
Prosecutor with a big ego
So, let’s bring the comments back to the topic at hand here…..children, sexting and overzealous prosecutors
From the sidebar, there is this interesting case: “Editorial: Girl’s ‘sexting’ doesn’t warrant criminal prosecution” (http://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/opinion/editorials/2016/10/02/editorial-girls-sexting-doesnt-warrant-criminal-prosecution/91314936/)
Which stems from this article: Bsau: Can you prosecute a victim for her exploitation?” (http://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/opinion/columnists/rekha-basu/2016/09/30/basu-can-you-prosecute-victim-her-exploitation/91326554/)
And both of those are offshoots of this original article: Lawsuit aims to block ‘sexting’ charges against teen (http://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/news/crime-and-courts/2016/09/28/iowa-prosecutor-sued-response-sexting-case/91213768/)
So, can the girl who photographed herself in racy, but not obscene by legal definition, poses be prosecuted? On what grounds since nothing meets the legal definition of obscene? What if she merely kept these non-obscene photos on her phone? Can she be charged with the manufacturing of and possession of, possible intent to distribute, but not actually distributing child porn?
I think this prosecutor is trying to make a name for himself and teach moral lessons when it is not his place to do so, but the parents place in the end. Those who did share nude photos were dealt with as they should have been. Case closed. Yet he is being challenged and has taken exception to it.
People know when to say No and they are taught that. People also know how phone apps and sharing apps work today since this generation is raised on this technology. To think and say otherwise is foolish. Next thing you know swimsuit photos will be verboten and burkas issued in Iowa to teach lessons.
October 8, 2016 at 1:44 am #9154
James, never mind others. Think of YOURSELF and what YOU really want to accomplish here.
Firstly, I’m sure you know by now my opinion of probation. It’s rubbish! It’s based on lies and fear mongering.
Where you went wrong was by telling the truth. Do NOT ever tell those baffoons any more than they need to know (and personally I don’t feel they need to know jack sh*t).
Worried about “lying” because of your religious beliefs? STOP IT! Lie a little. It’s truly the ONLY way you’re going to live a some-what normal life while on probation. Going behind their backs is what you have to do.
Think of it this way – When you’re off probation, you can use all the internet you want. And don’t anyone come at me with that “It’s part of your sentence” crap. I don’t care. It’s a POINTLESS part of our sentences because if the system feels we cannot be trusted then don’t let us out. None of us. Sex offender or car-jacker or gas station robber.
Probation is just another job for those who couldn’t pass the postal exam.
James….before you go beating yourself up with your religious beliefs on the subject of lying to people, stop for a moment and think about how these agents of law enforcement will care less about lying TO YOU! Saying and asking things of you just to try and make you feel comfy in their office as they sneakingly try to pry you for information about how many times a day you use the bathroom.
They are liars and set ups. Do the same right back to them. The less they know, the better off YOU are.
Go into that court room and FIGHT! If whoever is representing you doesn’t say something, YOU better.
“Excuse me but, can you prove that I used FaceBook to try to entice minors to be sexual with me?”
“What heinous crime did I commit by simply wanting to enjoy the same modern technology that everyone else gets to enjoy?”
“If you’re so worried about sex offenses happening via social media, then by all means END social media. Because it’s not REGISTERED sex offenders hooking up with your kids on there. It’s people with NO PRIOR CRIMINAL RECORD. Oh, you’ll probably deny that though.”
STAND UP for yourself. And too bad if the court doesn’t want to hear what you have to say – SAY IT!!! It gets recorded by the court stenographer. I would (and kinda actually did) say these types of things just to make the bastards THINK even for a split second about how ridiculous they are making the issue.
October 8, 2016 at 2:01 am #9155
Fred, you said…
“When I hear things like this I actually feel fear.”
And that’s exactly what they want us to feel. This is why, no matter what anyone else has to say about probation in a way that ALWAYS sounds like theyre defending it’s purpose… IT SERVES NO ACTUAL PURPOSE other than to try to ruin our lives once we’ve already been punished with actual INCARCERATION.
No one can ever give us back the years we missed while we were locked up. Then they want to lump probation on top of that to fulfill their own weird psychotic criminal justice agenda!!???
Listen. I’m going to say it again and again and again until someone, with a little more professionalism and better vocabulary gets the gall to say it for us all –
PROBATION SHOULD NO LONGER BE PART OF ANYONE’S SENTENCE!
YOU GET OUT OF PRISON, YOU MOVE ON WITH YOUR LIFE.
There are so many examples to be thrown in the faces of ANYONE who says probation is given because it’s NEEDED in order to slither back into society. BULLSH*T! Probation is OFFERED in order to make you THINK (aka IMAGINE) that you’ll have your freedom after “x” amount of time in prison rather than doing the entire time that can be handed down.
I’m not at liberty to do this but, someone who knows how to get it started should petition the states to eliminate probation (or find some other use for it) by bringing a lot… I mean A LOT of ex-convicts who have completed probation to a hearing where they can each tell their stories about how probation (not any state or local ordinance) forced them to be HOMELESS which is counter-productive. How probation FORCES/SCARES you into trying to find a job only to tell you that no matter what hours you work when you do find a job and no matter how new of an employee you are, you must still take time OFF from that brand new job each week to go to the probation office. And this can/will/has eventually lead to the loss of the job.
With enough people to go into those open to the public state hearings, like what you might see on your local access TV stations, we can at least get the pot stirred.
No one wants HOMELESS sex offenders roaming their neighborhoods, right? Living under bridges where they might be able to SNATCH any little girl that happens to walk home via that bridge…..right?
Enough is enough with this probation crap.
Oh…and btw…please do not confuse my gripe against PROBATION to mean that I would also fight the PAROLE board. Parole is something you EARN DURING INCARCERATION.
I’ve had way too many responses in the past on my posts here and on other sites in the comments section where people say “Parole and probation…” no, no, no…. I only speak of PROBATION. You don’t EARN to be given probation, it’s a PLEA they use to trap you.
October 8, 2016 at 2:03 am #9156
I don’t think it’s going to open any of the eyes of the parents. They will still look down at us and in defense of their kids they’ll just say “My child didn’t mean to break the law. He/She did something stupid and he/she has learned a lesson. My child isn’t like those OTHER sex offenders”
October 8, 2016 at 10:03 am #9157
Exactly. From what i’ve encountered, polygraph testing is better for intimidation purposes than detecting lies. The polygraph machine can not read your mind. It measures heart rate, pulse, sweat. The interrogator “interprets” the data and decides whether one is deceptive or not. So it’s very fallible.
What is really frightening is how when a guy fails a polygraph it is assumed by probation that they actually committed whatever violation they were flagged on. If they say they didn’t do it they are punished for not confessing/incriminating themselves. If they admit something it seems they are punished just about the same.
Rock and a hard place.
October 8, 2016 at 10:14 am #9158
in my SOT group when someone failed a polygraph regarding Facebook they usually went to jail for a few days. Didn’t matter whether they confessed or not.
More serious questions that were flagged as deceptive occasionally led to new charges. So like Maestro said: Don’t ever let a polygraph bully you into jeopardizing yourself!
October 8, 2016 at 1:01 pm #9159
thank you for bringing this back to a forum discussing the topic, rather than a group text session.
the articles you link to help link this race- to -the -bottom to the absurdity it is.
Prosecutors teaching morality. Huh. That right there is a topic for discussion.
October 8, 2016 at 5:13 pm #9160
I am not on probation. I feel fear because because of the sor laws. It is a four year felony in my state. My fight is against the registry.
October 9, 2016 at 1:25 am #9161
It’s not just probation.
In my case, it was time served according to the judge in the court after I was locked up for about two years.My case was a low level felony and I agreed to time served to the DA’s plea deal, I understood that I had to be registered. That’s what I was explained to by my lawyer. But then I found out after the fact that they had added five more years of Supervision on top of my already time served sentence. I contacted many avenues including numerous lawyers in North Carolina, also human rights organizations. But they were all of no use.
Being in the Supervision is really difficult as the supervising officer or probation officer looks for anything to violate me. Rather than helping to reintegrating into the society, they wants me to re-offend and go back to incarceration. They don’t help you find a job, but then they complain that I am not employed and paying them their $40 monthly fee. They come to my residence (which was difficult find) any time and they have turned my room upside down twice even though they didn’t find anything in the first place. It is a bully and those who feel it understands it. They want to instill fear in us to the point that we look up to them even being able to breathe outside of the confines of jail/prison.
I know this is injustice but who will listen to me? This country along with the Constitution is dead for me.
October 9, 2016 at 10:10 pm #9162
Polygraphs are wrong and are merely scare tactics
Polygraphs are not allowed to be admitted as evidence for good reason – innocent people can fail them and guilty people can pass them. The science has been proven that polygraphs are not an exact science and often misleading. Please research it. Use it to your advantage.
What ever happened to your constitutional right of not taking the test to avoid violating your 5th Amendment Right of self-incrimination and 1st Amendment Right against government compelled speech by forcing you to take the test? You have those in your corner. Use them. Research them.
October 13, 2016 at 2:57 am #9163
This is just for an academic exercise. I do not condone any sexual offense.
Harm caused by sex offense is aggravated by social shame. In some cases social shame is the only harm. The perpetrator is not responsible for social shame. It is our culture, our religion our moral compass that creates social shame. The laws need to consider this aspect. Unlike other crimes like murder or robbery that directly causes harm to the victim, in a non-violent sex offense, harm is aggravated by the society. Often in teen sex exploration, there is no harm caused and yet one of the participant is punished.
I wonder if there are any research to analyze sexual experience of animal at young age and how that impacts their adult life.
It is possible that proper treatment can perfectly heal a sex offense victim. Instead of stigmatizing the victim and paralyzing the offender, we need to focus on education, research and healing.