The utter uselessness of sexual offense registries

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By Michael Hobbes . . . The first time Damian Winters got evicted was in 2015. He was living with his wife and two sons in suburban Nashville when his probation officer called his landlord and informed him that Winters was a registered sex offender.

The previous year, when he was 24 years old, Winters had been arrested for downloading a three-minute porn clip. The file description said the girl in the video was 16; the prosecutor said she was 14. He was charged with attempted sexual exploitation of a minor and, because he had used file-sharing software to download the video, attempted distribution of child pornography.

Winters had no criminal record, no history of contact with children and no other illegal files on his computer. Facing an eight-year prison sentence, he had taken a plea deal that gave him six years’ probation and 15 years on Tennessee’s sex offender registry.

The day after his landlord found all this out, Winters found a letter on his porch giving him and his family 72 hours to move out. He ended up in one homeless shelter, his wife and sons in another.

He had no idea that it would be the last time he would ever live in a home. He has been sleeping in shelters, halfway houses and parked cars ever since. . . .

Winters is a member of an expanding and invisible American underclass. In 1994, when Congress passed the first sex offender registration law, the list was reserved for law enforcement officials and only applied to the most serious offenders. Since then, American lawmakers at every level have relentlessly increased its scope and severity.

The registry now includes more than 900,000 people, a population slightly greater than Vermont’s. At least 12 states require sex offender registration for public urination; five apply it to people charged with offenses related to sex work; 29 require it for consensual sex between teenagers. According to Human Rights Watch, people have been forced to spend decades on the registry for crimes they committed as young as 10 years old.

“When we first started talking about registering sex offenders it seemed like a good idea,” said Jill Levenson, a Barry University researcher and social worker who has published more than 100 articles about sexual abuse. “But now the net has widened. They’re for life, there’s no mechanism to come off and there’s more restrictions on employment, housing and travel.”

The conditions imposed on registered sex offenders have become significantly more draconian over time. More than 30 states now require registrants to live at least 1,000 feet away from schools, churches and other places children congregate — a requirement that renders up to 99% of homes and apartment buildings off-limits. Some states require registered offenders to submit to regular polygraph tests and random police inspections. Florida adds “sexual predator” to the front of registrants’ driver’s licenses. Louisiana doesn’t allow sex offenders to evacuate from their own homes before natural disasters.

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    admin

    Used with permission By Michael Hobbes . . . The first time Damian Winters got evicted was in 2015. He was living with his wife and two sons in suburb
    [See the full post at: The utter uselessness of sexual offense registries]

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    Tim

    Most who do use the registration website use it for entertainment. Some folks enjoy worry, some live in it. Being informed is OK being accurately informed is still superior.

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    Charlie
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    Anecdotally, I have not witnesses any use if the registry outside of vetting for daycare type jobs that is legitimate. Most often, it seems to focus on revenge, harassment, vigilantism, or other shaming uses. Of course, there is that ever present voyeuristic motive where it’s simply empowering to peak into the lives of others with something to hide. To be useful, the registry needs to be reduced to a true law enforcement only database much as fingerprinting for clearance in safety-sensitive jobs. It’s high time we recognize the public registry is about othering people who are powerless to protest effectively, to gain political advantage or sense of power. Nothing positive comes from the current public registry scheme.

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      Dustin

      I’ve asked numerous times on multiple forums for someone to find one single crime outside of registry or parole/probation violations where the registry played even the smallest role in the investigation or identification of a suspect. To date, I have yet to run across one. Even in the very small handful of crimes committed by registrants, the person’s registry status is never known until after he is identified or arrested.

      An LE-only registry is equally useless. For one, because 97+ percent of sex crime is committed by those not registered, excessive monitoring of registrants is already pointless. And even among the very few crimes committed by registrants, odds are there were significant indications unrelated to registration that recidivism was likely.

      For another, there’s nothing on the registry – publicly accessible or LE-only – that isn’t already in the National Crime Information Center or its state counterparts (which actually feed the NCIC). Any LE agency can pull up a list of those convicted of sex crime at any given time in a few moments with a simple query that takes all of 10 seconds.

      The registry across the board is the epitome of government waste. Legislators like them for grandstanding and to cover up their own misdeeds and/or ineffectiveness. LE agencies want them and want them as populated as possible – money. Bigger registries mean bigger grants to maintain it. Would be interesting to see the scrambling they would do if they were to be audited.

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      Mike

      Hello Charlie, why should registry go from the way it is to law enforcement only when the government knew recidivism was a lie because they did a study in 1994 an results was 9% and has done a study every year since an results below 5% and every us state has done a study also below 5%, but yet they enacted the registry anyways. Plus the Doj & Smart.gov both have study on there website now results below 5% and i emailed them an asked why they didn’t tell legislature that recidivism was not at 80% and you have no grounds to enact the registry. They said if i want laws changed contact my local legislature an Senator so i said well you both work for government you can’t tell them that, and they stopped answering, go figure

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        Charlie
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        Hi Mike, on principle, I oppose any “lists” that serve only to descriminate and shame others. I agree that law enforcement doesn’t require a list at all. But I am also pragmatic. To call for the abolishment of all uses of a list of past offenses would never happen at the onset of reform. Fingerprint records are the ultimate list. When I worked in social services, we had to clear everyone against the FBI conviction lists. I don’t believe that abolishing the public registry will receive us of these conviction records. My fight personally is the abolishment of the public registry since it is what is causing all the collateral damages to both registered citizens and to families. My name can appear in the FBI records because I have a legitimate conviction. But 25 years after the fact, the public list is what harms me. I don’t speak for NARSOL in my viewpoint, just myself. But to me, being somewhat pragmatic is helpful in my personal goals.

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    Donna

    All I can say is this: Donate as much time and money you can to Narsol and your state affiliate. Then pray everyday as much as you can to stop this nightmare that is so obviously unconstitutional. With 900,000 people doing this and their families and friends we can stop all of this sooner than later! Lets make it happen!

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    Debra L Taylor

    I am afraid that in the growing political climate in this country, it is not what actually impacts and is useful, but is only more and more controlling and punitive.

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    James Coghill

    “”When we first started talking about registering sex offenders it seemed like a good idea,” said Jill Levenson, a Barry University researcher and social worker who has published more than 100 articles about sexual abuse.”

    I’m sorry Ms. Levenson you are either incredibly nieve or bone dead stupid. Anybody with the ability to think could forecast what the government was going to do with the registry once it became national law. The Registry never looked like a good idea. No red blooded American would ever allow the government to track it’s citizens in such a way. Don’t tell me that the registry doesn’t affect you because you aren’t a sex offender. Take a leak in an alley and become one of us for life. So you see it does affect you and it does so directly. This doesn’t include collateral effects like the burden it places on society because the great and powerful state has made it so you can’t work here and you can’t live there. The damage done to families that can no longer live together will have lasting effects for generations. The REGISTRY was a bad idea coming out of the starting gate, so don’t tell me you couldn’t see this coming.

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      TS

      @James Coghill

      Jill is now one of the staunchest allies of NARSOL, et al, so what was once thought as acceptable can be changed over time given circumstances. It was also thought of at one time that women and colored people should not vote due to misconceptions then which have been changed. Cut her a some slack.

      I will also add the Jacob Wetterling’s mom thought registries were a good idea too when it was signed into law, but now is not in favor of them. With that being said, what was once deemed acceptable for whatever thinking can be changed over time.

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        Tim

        @TS,
        The enslavement and subservience of humans to state databases ( many with ex post facto laws and no additional process) sounded like a good idea? ” BULLS##T

        What rancher or farmer would opt to advertise the worst of their flock to the rest of the world? Sound like a grand idea to you? Did 9\11 occur before or after this “good idea” was promulgated? We were attacked because America was perceived evil by those who did it.
        GEE who can figure why?

        Longo & Levenson same same. Each played their do-good part in erecting the “net” the electronic net around every American by promoting predator panic. Now Levenson laments, “now the net has widened……”
        Every kind of net I’ve ever seen utilized had 1 basic purpose AFFIRMATIVE RESTRAINT. AS IS and always WAS with SORA AND SORNA regimes.
        Perhaps J.L. Like Jon Walsh is motivated staunchly via guilt and not grief.
        As I’ve stated many many times. IT WAS NOT EVER ABOUT THE MAN.
        IT WAS ALWAYS ABOUT securing unfettered GOV USE OF the database machines. The sex offender was the scapegoat to get there.

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          Sandy Rozek
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          Keep in mind that the time to which Jill makes reference bears almost no resemblance to today in regard to the registry. Then it was private, a law enforcement tool, and listing only the few repeat offenders who had committed heinous acts. What is mind-boggling and terrifying is how it has segued into what it is today in thirty years.

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          Tim

          Sandy,
          Well she certainly underestimated the Machiavellian tendency of police staters. The benevolent ones. Some military service would have fixed that.
          I just hope advocates stop referring to it as a registry. It IS a big gov database used primarily to impose affirmative disability and restraint. “Unfathomable” said the Senator who voted NAY! OMNI94. He didn’t say nothing else. The road to hell……intent-ion.

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    Michael

    I was labeled an SVP for invasion of privacy and there were no minors involved. One isolated indecent in my home. This is unheard of and my case is the only one of its kind in all of PA. After notifications went out, someone tried to stab me thinking I was a child rapist. I’ve also been homeless in a field, lost my home, job, car, pension, and have been turned down by over 20 job positions I was over qualified for. I now live in a bad part of town and have to do treatment for life , polygraph testing for life, and register all for life. Seems a little severe and irrational.

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      Tim

      Michael,
      Well Mike that is where the saints want to be. In your home. Preferably Looking over your & my your shoulder to see where you spend your time on the WWW.
      Why else ask for an internet identifier when Dept of public safety knows it does not intent to contact you through or by the identifier. Same for e-mail.
      A sent email provides other information about ” origin and destination. ”
      Electronic domestic surveillance saints public and private, and all ooohhhh so benevolent.

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    ED MONARQUE

    I have been a RSO since 1997. Even though I did not physically harm my victim I am listed a Violent. The Governor in the state where I was convicted well He restored my Civil Rights, but not my gun rights. I have never used a gun for anything but to hunt and target practice. But at least I can vote. LOL I can hold public office. LOL suurre. LOL I have lived a straight and good life. Boundaries have been restored since 2000. I spent my own money to have a good Psychiatrist treat me for 9 yrs after I was released from Probation. My crime was so terrible I got Three years probation and seven years prison time suspended for ten yrs. I passed. I had to go to Sex offender counselling and therapy for the three years I was on probation. I passed that too. Now I just want to have my citizen status restored to 100%. But I have resigned myself to the fact that I will never have this wish. NO matter how well I behave. Or how good a citizen I have become. President Obama once send there are no second class citizens in this country. I had to laugh at that one. It is all about the D.A. making a name for themselves. There is truly NOT Liberty and Justice for ALL in this land of the Free and brave. No justice at all.

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    Connie

    Thank you for publishing this article. I hope as more information is given to the public about the truth of the registry, laws will be made that truly help change society for the better.

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      patricia win

      I think what President Obama meant was that there SHOULD be no second-class citizens. However, I do think MOST people would think that anyone who seriously harms a child (and not a willing teen…that is different even if the law doesn’t think it is), deserves a great deal of punishment and separation from the community if they continue to be a danger.
      Part of the problem is that when it comes to sex, too many Americans have very black and white thinking. That’s sad, so sad, as this poor excuse for a president would say.

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    Matthew A

    Why don’t we have registries for every single crime committed in America? Registries are pointless, and unconstitutional. Sex offender registries single people out for vigilante justice and are good for nothing else!

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    Jim

    I would like to start this with ” We all can trust the government, Just ask an Indian how well that went”. The people in charge of the registry are Pathetic, Ignorant law makers, judges, prosecutors, police, supreme justices, and sex offender group leaders who try to show off their so called courage and abusive power. This is all in an attempt to look like hero’s to a public that has been purposely misinformed to install panic and fear to the public. This fear helps the government bullies to get away with the abuse they like to administer to the people they choose, to hopefully get elected again to a position of abuse. These officials always pick people who have been put in the “scare data base to the public” that they are sure have no recourse or defense against the governments attacks. This government has had hundreds of years of successively promoting bulling by scaring the misinformed public to believe the government is trying to protect them. Just ask the Native Americans, African Americans, Japanese, The “Witches” burned at the stake and countless other victims of the usa government. The sad truth is that this terroristic united states government is going to need another defenseless race of people to bully before it releases its nasty claws on the sex offenders in its scope. Just The TRUTH!

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    Mom

    You might be a sex offender if….
    Pretty soon everyone will be, or know someone who has had the misfortune of having that label.
    The witch hunt never stopped, it’s alive and well.
    It’s all so insane.

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      Tim

      @Mom,
      Genious! ” You might be a sex offender if? ”
      Makes the perfect approach in confrontation questions put to SOR Agents during FTR testimony. Thx! Tim L.

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    Tom Chambers

    The judge in the Jeffrey Epstein case said he was reluctant to grant bail because he saw evidence that the recidivism rates of sex offenders increases with time. It does not decrease. Another argument his attorneys used was that he is more disciplined against theses types of offenses so lest likely to be a threat. The judge said that argument proves he is a pedophile and therefore a threat to the public. I am not defending him just pointing out the judge’s beliefs and arguments. They reflect the beliefs of the majority of people and the justice community. This is an uphill battle. People are afraid of child sex offenders. “We are inherently dangerous. We can’t help ourselves. The public must be informed”——-of course we don’t believe it. But our opinion counts for zilch. After all we have proved we are dangerous we have committed a crime. One crime leads to another.

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      Fred
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      The judge was relucant to grant bail because Epstein is a billionaire who owns his own island and two jets to get to it. In other words, he is a flight risk. Plus he has a history of intimidating witnesses. I have to question the accuracy of what you said there It does not help our cause to spread inaccurate information.

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      Sandy Rozek
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      Additionally, studies show that the reoffense rate for individuals decrease with time. This is confusing because when you look at the numbers, that doesn’t seem to be the case. Studies are done on specific groups of individuals, and anytime there is a reoffense, it increases the total for the group. So if the number of reoffenses for the group at year three is ten and by year five there are sixteen, the GROUP reoffense rate is higher at year five than it was at year three.
      BUT for individuals, it is the opposite. For every individual who does not reoffend, each year he remains offense-free lowers his risk of reoffense. One study showed that even the very highest risk individuals, somewhere between their tenth and fifteenth year of living offense free in the community, had a risk level equal to someone in the general population. And that is the case for those who started out low risk from the beginning.

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        Art

        Sandy…you make a great point about how the recidivism rate is calculated. I am a statistician and every day I see how numbers can be manipulated to justify someone’s position. The devil is in the details, not in a quick sound bite or talking point.

        Regarding these statistics…
        | Researchers consistently find that sex offenders are in fact less likely to reoffend than other criminals. A study of
        | nearly 1,800 sex offenders across four states found that only 10% reoffended in the decade after their release from
        | prison — far lower than the 83% recidivism rate for parolees convicted of other crimes.
        … when I recite them to people, they just don’t believe them. In fact, my “treatment provider” and polygraph administrator both claim the 10% (or 3% or whatever rate you want to use) recidivism rate is way too low. What I would like to see is more detail into these numbers. I don’t think we will see any legislative reform until we get more detailed, peer-reviewed data that does a better job of describing different types of recidivism and outcome data.

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          Mike

          Here you go Art these came straight from the Doj & Smart.gov website:
          Re-offense rate averages from The US Department of Justice:
          Auto theft  78.8%,
          Possession/sale of stolen property  77.4%,
          Burglary  74%,
          Robbery  70.2%,
          Larcenist  74.6%,
          Sex offenders  3.5%.
          Sex offenders with treatment  1%.
          1/3 to 1/2 of all child molestation is committed by children themselves. The United States Department of Justice finds the age with the greatest number of offenders is 14.6 years old. 80% of youths report having had sex by the age of 16.

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          Mike

          The US Department of Justice tracked 9,691 male sex offenders in 15 states who were released from prison in 1994 and found that within three years only 5.3 percent of all sex offenders were arrested, and 3.5 percent convicted, for a new sex crime; 2.2 percent were rearrested for a sex offense against a child.[41] Among the released child molesters (defined in the study as someone convicted of a forcible or non-forcible sex crime against a child), 3.3 percent were rearrested for a sex crime against a child.[42] Sex offenders with prior histories of sex offenses had somewhat higher rates of rearrest: 7.3 percent of child molesters and 8.3 percent of all sex offenders with more than one prior conviction for a sex offense were rearrested for another sex crime.[43]

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      Saddles

      Hey pretty good Tim, I liked that maybe I should of hitch hiked up to Woodstock with that gal and a few friends in high school .. Immigration man by Crosby now its Intimidation man by Registry law.

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    Phil

    EVIDENCE
    Please stop arguing about opinions. evidence based is the only argument that holds water.
    decades of empirical data, published by our very own govt resources continually show, that people who have been convicted of a crime of sexual nature are the least likely to recidivate. actually less likely to commit another crime then anyone who has not been convicted of a crime /any crime (1st time offenders 18-28 yrs old).

    if “we” are less likely to commit a crime then people who have not been convicted of a crime yet… in conjunction with the fact that any type of registry has been proven time and time again to do absolutely nothing & it does not and cannot positively serve society.

    why do I not see NARSOL preparing for a Class Action Law suite? Are we contacting the ACLU to join efforts?
    it is clear and obvious the govt is violating our rights & inflicted Tyranny down on its citizens.

    why are we arguing opinions? facts, empirical research publications = the truth.

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      Sandy Rozek
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      NARSOL is working with the ACLU in Rhode Island on a residency restrictions case. Our Michigan affiliates work closely with the ACLU there. We will work with them anywhere there is a viable case and they welcome our collaboration.

      Our case in Tennessee is asking to be certified as a class action suit. It may or may not be granted. Most people have no idea what it takes to be granted class action status. Courts do not grant that easily or often. One cannot just file a class action suit. One petitions the court in an already filed case that the case be granted class status, and the request is rejected much more often than it is granted.

      One of NARSOL’s primary mantras is facts and evidence, but all of the facts in the world will never equal the impact of parents being in a frenzy of fear and worry about what could possibly happen to their children. And it doesn’t make an iota of difference whether or not that fear and worry is realistic.

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        Matthew A

        Is there a NARSOL affiliate in Utah that can talk too please let me know

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          Sandy Rozek
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          We do not have an affiliate organization in Utah. However, you can use our contact email, https://narsol.org/contact/, and you will be put in touch with a contact person in the state or the regional director for the state.

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    Tom Chambers

    I am not spreading disinformation. The judge said those things. The prosecution is arguing flight risk and community danger. But read the transcript. Jeffrey Epstein is not the issue here. The issue is the public’s and justice system’s perceptions. Perception—however wrong—becomes part of the belief system of the public, law writers, and law enforcement.
    Having said that I do believe that judges are starting to recognize that the registry is wrong. But what that judge said about sex offenders during Epstein’s bail hearing is just scary.

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      Fred
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      I will let you give us the link to the transcript, because I am not seeing where the judge said “that argument proves he is a pedophile and therefore a threat to the public.” or even “he saw evidence that the recidivism rates of sex offenders increases with time.”.. Seriously if the judge did say that I want to know and read it for myself.

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        Peter

        I found it here in the Miami Herald. It is about 8 paragraphs down.

        https://www.miamiherald.com/news/state/florida/article232671822.html

        Apparently, the judge has authored a few child abuse articles and pointed that out.

        Now, what I would love to see is where the judge got those studies from (If they even exist) I want to see those studies and who conducted those studies.

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          Fred
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          Thank you. That is what I wanted to see. You are right, Tom. I apologize. It sounds like this judge already decided the case before there is even a trial.

          “Berman, who has authored a number of articles about child abuse, was not convinced, pointing out that studies show pedophiles and sex offenders often return to their established ways after as long as 15 years, and in fact, the rate of recidivism grows as time passes.”

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    Noel Brown

    I hope everyone’s eyes are open to what this is. This is pure Democracy, this is mob rule mentality and this is why we are supposed to be a constitutional republic. This is happening throughout our society and if cannot get it under control many more will fall into this nightmare dystopia.

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    Tom Chambers

    “When Judge Berman noted that he has read research which says the chance of recidivism for sex offenders increases over time, in contrast to claims by Epstein’s lawyer that it decreases, the defense lawyer pushed back. “

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    Wearethepeople

    So when does it end, how did it get so bad my husband asked me? I had it think about it, I know that I researched this. Thanks to this article it was 1994 when Congress the top of where bills are passed. Wrote into Law, the 1st Sex Offender Registry Law. This was just months after Megan from NJ, the NJ Governor passed for notification of neighbors when SO moved into the neighborhood. Then the Federal Government started to put into place SORNA. This was another High Profiled case like Adam. The thing that I saw come from this, was parents becoming afraid to let their children go outside or be alone. Stranger danger! The thing about Megan and her family was that they did not know there neighbors. At that time we knew all our neighbors. Our neighbors were outside all the time, and we knew the crabby and creepy ones to stay away from. We were kids the hung out together, all day only going home for meals or to go to the bathroom. The man that kidnapped Megan was Mental. He had a low IQ in his mind he was still a child, but his body said something else. Our system failed to get him help before it got to the point where he murdered a child. This is where it all started to go down hill and if you watch older movies from the 80’s you will see a lot of what was normal then is a SO now! I remember boys looking though holes in the girls showers. There was even a picture taken of me coming out of the shower, that my best friend took. Her older sister showed it all around. This was at church camp, now the same boys that were peeking though the holes are Doctors and Lawyers and Business man etc. They are not Mentally slow!

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    Tom Chambers

    I was wrong when I said the judge called him a pedophile. It was the prosecutor who said that the defense said Mr Epstein has disciplined himself for the last 14 years and therefore is not a threat. The prosecutor said that statement means that he admits he “has an appetite for children”
    This is in a story by the reporter covering the case in court.
    I am not trying to argue right or wrong only that the perception of sex offenders and their “potential future behavior” is what is driving the legislation about the registry. And I can understand the prosecutors saying what they say but Judge Berman has a mistaken point of view about sex offender recidivism rates. As do most people.

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    d

    I can’t help but notice the arguments on the board today among allies. We are all in this boat together, we all do not see 100% the same angle but we all see 100% that the registry is wrong. Please don’t fight and don’t worry about little details they are not worth the distraction from the fight.

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    Saddles

    What a wake up call to rally against a lot of this sex registry and many different offenses, or as I mentioned to my PO at the time when I got involved in all this , It is what it is until it is what it isn’t. This article is a bright light in this dark shadow that many are going thru. In the OT I should have been stoned to death as my PO told me when I got involved in all this. Hey Folks speaking up is still your rights or what is liberty.

    Yes a lot of you all have made some good comments about a lot of this registry uproar. Its uselessness in this game of tag in many of these ordeals is devestating on families that have sons or daughters going thru this or can one person know the mind of the one thats incarraced by all this until they actually go thru this themself. Internet can be good and bad if it is not used correctly and believe it or not I hope we still have some biblical principals today. Does law enforcement use it in a bad way and their sword in vain or who believes a lie today. So what are we all talking about man’s justice or God’s justice or is God totally out of the equation today. I even like Charlie’s take on all this.
    Are a lot of people under the registry discriminated against today in many ways in the job market. Yes enough is enough. Even PO officers visiting people on a monthly basis will blame everything on the one they are visiting. Bottom line in this uselessness is that this registry should be abolished in many ways.

    Sure we all have views. While I look at many of these abuses in a Christian light and yes Robin has called me down on a few things but its love and caring that brings people together. Should we all stand up and fight …. you better believe it….. Should we rationalize, compromise or steryotype others or where is the true principal in many of these ordeals. Where’s is the line drawn in the sand.

    Do we all make mistakes. Sure we do. Are we all carnal… sure we are… and yes we all have regrets. On the usefullness of all this or the uselessness of the registry one can say its an intimidating factor in many of these ordeals without going into a biblical concept of why rome burned or corrupt government with many of these ordeals.I am sure Brenda Jones would agree with a lot of this uncanny registry.

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    Former Offender

    One thing being missed in all these discussions is that the sex offender registry has now gone international. Those of us who are overseas are about the get screwed big time and we don’t yet know when and how badly. For many of us it is also life or death and if the government of the countries we live in find out they will probably deport us. Our passports are about to turn into a ticking time bomb once the new ones are issued and the “Sex offender” designation is put on it. My passport expires in March of 2021 giving me 20 months left before I get the mark of the beast on my passport. I am very unhappy with the progress being made at this point.

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    Tom

    so sad that we, as a country, have dissolved into this. I’ve read thousand of articles opposing registry conditions and laws, yet the only thing that changes is greater and greater restrictions. Ok, educated people, feel free to write critical articles if it make you feel better, but until you challenge the very existence of the registry in the federal courts, then you’re simply playing whack a mole as you challenged a variety of additional restrictions

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      Sandy Rozek
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      We and others are challenging the registry in federal courts. The suit in Tennessee is a federal case. There are federal cases underway in North Carolina. There are others in many states.

      There is no federal registry to challenge. And if SORNA, if the Adam Walsh Act, disappeared today, little to nothing would change in each state. All of the restrictions that are so onerous to us are state requirements. There are no federal requirements regarding residency restrictions, exclusion zones, Halloween, employment, interstate travel, or registration requirements. These are all state-imposed and vary from state to state. IML and the Angel Watch program are probably the most limiting of the federal regulations.

      Even when one’s conviction is federal, he is subject to the requirements of the registry of the state in which he lives.

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        Jerry

        That’s true but I went Monday for my petition for removal and was turned down because of the Wetterling act and Sorna. Judge was great and tried everything to remove me but one of my charges was 2nd degree kidnapping and he told me his hands were tied. Been registered for almost 16 years and crime occurred over 20 years ago. Am I to believe that I will never be able to be removed? Without Sorna I would have been. I’m in NC charges from 1999.

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    Saddles

    Today is my 65th birthday and yes life is challenging sure we all go thru pitfalls in life at times. Now Sandy and Brenda and all the folks on the NARSOL team can do just so much. I’m sure we all know the uselessness of all this registry.

    Sure the Vietnam War was a bit useless or senseless. . The assinations of Kennedy, King, and even Lennon were tragic. We had no registry such as today. Man seemed to want to challange the moon for some strange reason but we still had problems here in our own country. How did we all get to this registry witch hunt today.

    This sex offense thing is depressing and oppressing and yes Brenda and other orginazations are in there for you the people and to help. We all have our view’s on the President today or is it up to the people to rally to challange man over beast with the right intentions or can we all get caught up in this ungodly registry. or should we all go on planet hollywood and become president. If true justice is not their for All American’s You Cannot Make America great and principal is a big factor.

    I don’t wish anyone to go to prison or jail. I’ve been there for my little DUI’s in the past. a little dope in high school but we should forget the past and press on. Sure this registry plays on peoples minds if one lets it, and yes our tempers can boil at times. Labeling someone as violent can be a miscall of justice or do we all have behavior pattern even our leaders in government

    We can all make a difference to bring back true justice with moral values in America and not sleezy sex offender stereotyping..

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      Tim

      Happy birthday @Saddles

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    Tom Chambers

    Jeffrey Epstein will be very bad news for those on the registry and those fighting against it. The public will be outraged and we most likely will see renewed efforts to make these laws more onerous.

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      d

      I have the same fear this is gonna be very public and exploited.

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    Saddles

    Thank you for that birthday ” thumbs up” Tim.

    Sure we all can make a difference and its time to get serious now, not only for us all involved in many of this but for others that may be seduced in all this demomiac ordeal. Can two wrongs make a right? Sure I always loved law better than Criminal Justice. Even lawyers have a tought time keeping up with new waves of legistation still we all should not be deceived

    I’m sure some of us have never been involved in something like this sex registry and yes its hard on family members. I sometimes wonder why I didn’t go to jail. I even wonder who’s clipping who’s wings. None of this is true principal or what this country was founded on. law authority is just as much guilty as the kid down the block looking at some sex magazine or sex film. Who is perpurating the evil, even more who is using the sword of justice. See no one seems to take that into consideration.

    Isn’t this just like an internet scam only law enforcement are using their liberty as a cloak of malice in this intimidating way to distort or deceive in this vain way. I wonder who the author of confusion is today. …
    Fear, sounds a bit presumptuous just like many of these sex ordeals or does man or government want to be above their authority today. One wonder who is content today in this “Bonnie and Clyde” governmental railroad. Being a lifetime sex offender is a bit off the wall. A thing like this inbalances the whole Justice system and Robin, Brenda, and the others know that, or any good person that studied criminal Justice in college. Fighting for true Justice in any platform is a worthwhile cause.

    There is no wrong or right in a persons views, comments,or opinions, but there is right in true Justice. equality, and freedom. Even this saga of whats happening at the border is seems so unbecoming of America and American Justice. One either has Christian principals or ethics, govermental view, or people’s view. All this registry is madness and disturbing in many of these encounters.

    I would like to see a study if there is more plea deals than people actually going to trial. Folks should keep writing letters and stand up. Strike while the hammer is hot. Even the general public should know how madding a lot of this registy is. My hats off to NARSOL and to you people as we all seek true justice.

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    Saddles

    I believe a mouse said let your conscience be your guide. Yes we all have character At times I wonder if we all do foolish things at times. This platform of Brenda’s and these others created is a godsend to many and yes it is very helpful.. In fact its a positive step for those that get snared in this situation.

    Sure we all want to stand our ground, but overkill is like some Bonie and Clyde ambush thats off color today. I don’t really like to vote and my Dad once said to me that he rarely did.. He was never into politics that much. In fact I was stupid when I first voted. Yes a lots changed since the 60’s. Who would ever think of this computerized sex registry today and the ups and down’s it can cause or has causedand the many harsh stipulations that have evolved. Do we still have “Erase the Hate” today. or discrimination in many aspects of under-cover endeavor by the people and for the people. or is political gain the norm.

    Sure I’m upset just like everyone else, even this chant of “Send her back is a bit disqusting, so where are the scars today.Was Hitler ordained to kill, imprison, or should people discriminate others in many ways. My dad used to tell me think before you speak and don’t get caught up in many of these affairs in life.

    Yes there is good that can come out of bad, but any leaders that take it upon themselve to slur others is a bit much. That chant could of been about the sex offender and it makes no sense or is this still not a free country today. Should we all try to clean up our own government before we try to explore the mind of another or visit the moon again or mars.

    If one focuses on helping others thats good but ambushing and attacking is not the method. I’m no better than anyone else but we all do have a voice when government goes above others and even in this sex offender ordeal with these bizare and uncanny methods.

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    Saddles

    Sorry folks that was a cricket not a mouse, my mistake.

    Like Tim said there is nothing wrong with standing up and I’m not embarrassed to get my feet wet if it helps others. I’m sure NARSOL and others groups would even appalude one in a of this going on today. it just might have to come down to that. I hope were not considered the outcast today.Something to think about.

    While birthdays come but once a year we all should be thankful for what we have and yes breath can be taken out of one by a lot of things or stupid ordeals. While no man or woman goes to war without a charge. That charge has to be true or is the innocent’s of justice premature or abused in many ways. Protecting is good and so is respecting or who white washes another today. So where is this land of the free home of the brave or does poweer justify itself.

    Yes their are many reason’s why people get involved in some of these ordeals. Yes nobody’s perfect and even the Criminal Justice System is not perfect. Many voted for the president of today but some I’m sure wish they hadn’t now. Sure the president could pardon many of us as I’m sure the president is no eagle scout but we all have flaws or do we?

    Sure its not good to talk about other people aas we all do have mannerisms. How does one rate their conduct on a one to Ten scale. Being fair is being fair or being unjust is being unjust or what does the Declearition of Independance mean today. Do we welcome people to this country today or inflick unjust harm on them today. Do we downcast one group ove4r another or should the American People take a look at their own self.

    I wonder if our four fathers would roll over in their graves today if they had a glimps of what’s going on with True Justice today or this Criminal Justice debauchery or is ordeals gone down the drain that we can’t even welcome people to America or that they have to go back for some strange reason, to where they came from..

    I am labeled a sex offender and I will be writting my letters to Trump again as its time to get a bit of justice for all American’s no matter what color or race or creed. These ordeal that man induces to instills on Americans is like white man speaking with fork tongue Helping is good but enslaving is not..

    Closed Closet Justice is not the way of America in fact unbiblical.

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    Mike

    The truth about recidivism rate is that The Federal Government did a study on sex offender recidivism rate in 1994 and the results of that study was 9% recidivism which is the second lowest recidivism rate, murder is the lowes, whats frieghtening is our U.S. government knew the truth about sex offender recidivism rate 9% & the government has done a study on recidivism rate every year after that to date and recidivism rate went down in 1995 of below 5% and that rate (below 5%) remains recidivism rate o current date. I also found on the Doj’s website articles and studies which show recidivism below 5%. I sent them an email asking why are all these sex offender laws are still on the books because thats where i found the article where the government did first recidivism rate study in 1994. When the Doj answered, they said oh you have to contact your local legislature an senate, i told them but you knew the truth it’s on your website an still know the truth but everytime a law is up to enact or not, you don’t say anything and show all of your evidence which is complete opposite of what legislature tells you, all laws should only be voted in on facts not because any movement feels this should be a law, and go home and tell there kids how important it is to tell the truth. You are more likely to be hit an possibly killed by a drunk driver than a child or adult getting sexually assaulted, drunk drivers kill more than any other & they used Real studies to back that up oh one more thing, did you know there are more people killed by a knife than a gun! Fact theres a study and evidence to prove that. Believe nothing you hear and half of what you see. Have a good day

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    Saddles

    @Mike and others. One can take many of these ordeals with this sex registry and label it “Sad” it would seem the crime doesn’t fit the punishment in many ways. Its like the simple to the more complex sex offender but who is thy brothers keeper.
    If all men are created equal than who is dishing out “Adulterated Justice”. Sure God is the God of justice. Even one can compare the OT to the new and see the principals for true justice.
    Sure all this headache that people are going thru, some married some have their kids going thru this, and some are just single folks trying to make the best out of life in this dizzy world.

    If there is one thing NARSOL and the people on here can do its stand up, not only for ourselves but for those that strive in seeking true Justice. Sure we all can preach this a thousand times but it seems Government will not listen to some. Hardships well we all face it but with a group such as NARSOL and friends that stand up in a lot of this punitive nonsense we can all face this challenge for true justice. Don’t give up the fight people.

    Is this world getting colder from the late 70’s and the start of these sex offender laws that hinder one with lifetime curses that are created by man’s punishment. Correcting is good if it is done right or do we all train up a child to steel another’s dignity no matter what profession they go into.

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