New Tennessee legislation will destroy undetermined number of families

By Sandy . . . In some of our border states, children sit in detention camps, taken from their parents and held for a reason deemed good by some in our society.

Half the country away in the state of Tennessee, in one week’s time, parents will be taken from their children against their will, also for a reason deemed good by some in our society.

These parents, primarily fathers, are not being imprisoned or detained by the authorities. While they all have been convicted of a crime at some earlier point in their lives, — some as long ago as twenty or thirty years — they have committed no new ones. They are not guilty of any crime or abuse or wrongdoing against the children from whom they are being forcefully separated.

This forced destruction of families is occurring due to Tennessee SB 425, which was passed by the Tennessee legislature May 15 and becomes effective July 1, 2019. The brain child of Senator Joey Hensley (R), this bill adds one sentence to the already existing statute 40-39-211(c), which sets out the conditions under which a person on a sexual offense registry may not reside with anyone under the age of 18. The two previously in law are:

(1)  The offender’s parental rights have been or are in the process of being terminated as provided by law; or

(2)  Any minor or adult child of the offender was a victim of a sexual offense or violent sexual offense committed by the offender.

Item (2) is problematic in itself as it nullifies any attempt at family reunification and restorative justice, two initiatives that, for those who choose them, hold out more hope for healing of victims and perpetrators alike than do incarceration and traditional therapy.

However, item 2 is benign in the face of newly added item 3, the result of SB425.

Item 3 states: The offender has been convicted of a sexual offense or violent sexual offense the victim of which was a child under twelve (12) years of age.

So – A person looked at illegal pornography, one or more images portraying a child eleven or younger – or purported to be eleven or younger; a person chatted online inappropriately with someone who was or who he believed to be a child eleven or younger; a person behaved sexually inappropriate with a child eleven or younger; a person sexually molested a child eleven or younger.

The person could have been a child himself at the time, fourteen or fifteen, engaging in mutual curiosity with a younger sibling or cousin. Or he could have been an adult – anyone eighteen or older — committing a serious crime against a child eleven or younger.

Or – he could have been falsely or mistakenly identified and be totally innocent.

He never repeated his offense; he satisfied all court-ordered consequences. His duty to register is for a lifetime, as are the vast majority of those on the registry in Tennessee. He has successfully rehabilitated and is a productive, contributing member of society, or, for some, he is barely hanging on — but has never reoffended. He has married and has a child or children. He is their father and an integral part of their lives. In a few instances, he is a single parent, raising his children by himself.

In a few instances, he is a she.

And now, beginning July 1, he is ripped from the home. For all practical purposes his children are left fatherless – or motherless. With some of the situations, the children will enter an already over-burdened child welfare/protective system, most likely separated from siblings, and be placed in a succession of foster homes. In this system, the children will be at a markedly increased risk for limited educational opportunities, limited lifetime financial security, substance abuse, physical and emotional abuse, sexual molestation, becoming a runaway, homelessness, being trafficked, and untimely death.

For these families, the family unit, that entity claimed to be the backbone and mainstay of America by the same legislators who voted for this bill, will be destroyed.

At the end of the extremely short bill is this statement: This act shall take effect July 1, 2019, the public welfare requiring it.

Given the fact that only the tiniest percentage of offenders with child victims repeat the offense after serving the court-ordered punishment and living in the community, it is difficult to imagine how the benefit to the public welfare could even begin to justify the tremendous negative impact on families and youth that is sure to follow the enforcement of this statute.

The end of May, registrants in Tennessee who are on record as currently residing with a minor were mailed this notice advising them of the action they must take in order to prevent being arrested and prosecuted for a new crime.

The action to be taken is very specific: Either the registrant or the minor child(ren) must be out of the current residence and living elsewhere before a deadline of July 1.

At least the author of the notice did not hypocritically wish the recipients well.

 

Note: New York State has passed a very similar bill which is awaiting the Governor’s signature.

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Sandy Rozek

Sandy is communications director for NARSOL, editor-in-chief of the Digest, and a writer for the Digest and the NARSOL website. Additionally, she participates in updating and managing the website and assisting with a variety of organizational tasks.

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    By Sandy . . . In some of our border states, children sit in detention camps, taken from their parents and held for a reason deemed good by some in ou
    [See the full post at: New Tennessee legislation will destroy hundreds, probably thousands, of families]

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    Dr. Michael A Christianson

    I work for a better tomorrow. While we are making progress, at times, the road is still full of potholes. In Indiana, when I read about the latest law striking back at registrants or non-violent offenders who had committed a sex-related crime, there is never any dissent – on either side of the aisle. Legislation after legislation is motioned, seconded, and passed – unanimously – without so much as a “Hey, isn’t enough, enough.” Although I hate to admit it, I believe there will come a time when registrants will have to realize there is going to be no end to the bigoted, discriminatory legislation. When representatives don’t represent the oppressed men, women, and children on the registry, and are finally striping registrants of their rights to parent even their children, more sadistic legislation will come. It will come. Sadly, an overwhelming majority of registrants (Yes, I’m talking to you!) are too busy hiding, ducking from their past, unable to admit what they are, unable to come together to unite in one cause and to form bonds of friendship with their brothers and sisters in order to confront these public servants head on – with dignity and the strength only found in a mass movement. I pity most of the cowards on the registry. When they have the chance to fight, they choose only to run away.

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      Charlie
      Charlie
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      Dr. Michael, I must take exception to your use of the word coward. Are you on the registry? I suspect not. Because if you were you would know that cowardice is not the issue. It is not paranoid when people are actually out to get you. Most of us on the registry have paid and paid and paid. And there is absolutely no benefit and sticking ones head out to get it shot off. For those of us who are parents we want to protect our families first not ourselves. For those of us who are employees we want to protect our jobs because without jobs we live on the street. Have you been homeless only once I will tell you I will never put myself in that position again. For those of us who are employers we have many people dependent upon us.
      Before you ask, yes I have stood up and I have screamed enough. I have made myself vulnerable many times. And I too fight for a better tomorrow. But how dare you call people cowards when you are not standing in there shoes. Or, if you are then take responsibility for yourself and yourself alone and call yourself a coward. Some of the bravest people I know are on the registry fighting everyday just to stay alive. Cowards would be stepping off bridges or cliffs, or driving into barriers, taking pills, or shooting themselves in the head and ending at all. This life of being on the registry is a perpetual existential threat and is not easy. it takes an extreme amount of bravery to live on the registry everyday and hold your head up. It is not cowardice to not put yourself and loved ones at risk when there is no likelihood that your sacrifice will benefit anyone. That is wisdom. The Proverbs say a wise man sees trouble coming and goes out of his way to avoid it. Avoidance is not always cowardice, sometimes it is wisdom. I’m curious what your doctor is in. Mine is in counseling.

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        James Coghill

        I take exception too. You should be more careful in your choice of words and blanket statements covering every individual situation. That’s a trick the enemy uses against us. That’s what probation does to us, they just lump us all together. I went to trial twice and each time I faced a 155 year sentence. Is that what a coward does? I think not. Yes almost 95% of all cases go to plea bargains. That doesn’t necessarily imply cowardice. You obviously have never been charged because you would understand that taking a plea is something any normal person would do when faced with the alternative of life in prison. I chose to fight not because I am brave, I chose to fight because my life was so bad I didn’t care what the outcome was in addition to being not guilty. My attitude was “eat me and I hope you choke on me and die.” Not everyone is going to be in that position.

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          Jerry P.

          Well said Charlie…

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          WC_TN

          I look at it like this:

          I think it’s understandable, but wrong for registrants with means who can fight these laws choose to lay low and not do anything to help. They could even contribute money to legal causes on our behalf, but they won’t even do that in some cases. I have no particular person in mind. I’m just giving my 2 cents’ worth. This fight is bigger than just any one of us. Today the laws affect some other registrant. Tomorrow the law could directly affect you.

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          Charlie
          Charlie
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          I would venture the vast majority of us do not have the means to hire an attorney to fight big cases. That’s assuming of course you can find it an attorney who’s confident to take the case and not just looking for money. Each time I’ve tried to fight a case an attorney has asked me for $10,000 retainer up front, where I have been told that this is an exorbitant amount personal case. When checking I find that there is little to no wins, and that the attorneys that are making these large quotes are either an experience or have never won a case in this area. therefore they are basically just taking my money knowing that they’re going to fail me.
          so lack of funds, lack of skilled attorneys, and the likelihood that public opinion will outweigh any type of logic which is in a no-win situation. If someone has the means to fight it would be great if they would fight. But this type of litigation is way beyond the means of most people not just registered citizens. Years of fighting and tens upon tens of thousands of dollars to fight something that is unlikely to be one is ridiculous. Most likely it is only through NARSOL or through the ACLU that we are going to prevail in a grand enough way to effect real change.

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      Charles Bowen

      Most registrants are forced to live in poverty due to being on the registry. Because of jobs will not hire a sex offender, and then there are those that will force out a registrant from their neighborhood and thus putting them further away from work. And then there is the everlasting thought in the back of your head…”Am I going back to prison”, for standing up to those in power. Oh there are a lot of other reasons why I’m sure that they don’t. I myself am forced to live in a run down mobile home over run with mice, rats, lizards, and probably snakes to…why because I’m under the 1,000ft rule and it hard to find a place to live nearer to work, but I look on the bright side, it’s way back in the woods away from the road so there aren’t neighbors that can tell a lie about me to get me sent back to prison.

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    linda shedlock

    Who comes up with these ideas ?! I wonder how tearing a family apart is part of rehabilitation ! Children need to be with their family . As tax payers , aren’t we already paying taxes for the welfare system and the children no one wanted . This is a sad day for tennessee in my eyes . !

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    Mp

    Seeing that actual notice…..makes it really real…. omg….I am sickened. I can not even phantom what some of these registered families are going thru. The exploitation of children continues just so they can feed their egos. That is what they are doing….exploiting children for their own gain. Those who may have harmed a child at some point did so because of whatever went wrong in their minds/life and they paid a price for it. These egotistical politicians do it by conscious choice. Big difference.

    Let’s turn this into fuel to let us all work to educate the folks out there of this type of exploitation of children.

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      Dr. Michael A Christianson

      While you address it as exploitation, I consider this physical and mental child molest. These politicians (and others like them) are nothing more than socially accepted preditors. Those in political power and those profiting from the victimization of America are destroying homes, ripping apart families and preying on the children, the very children who are being taught to respect authority (no matter the harm done to them) and to be subservient to those clothed with power and authority over them. It’s a travesty.

      Anyone who continues the unfair practice of legislative harassment, discrimination, and ostracization of America’s children, whether those children are grown or young, they are, in my opinion, child molesters – plain an simple. Molestation as a word to describe unlawful pedosexual behavior didn’t come about until late in the 1950s. Before then, molesting a person (man, women or child) meant “to annoy, disturb, or persecute especially with hostile intent or injurious effect.” (Merriam Webster). Today, that definition still applies. And it applies especially well to the political movement against pedo-oriented people.

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        Tim

        Doc,
        Clearly this whole ordeal was never really about sexual aggression outside of the political advantages garnered by attacking a unpopular group. If it were actually about recidivism among criminals oriented towards children the list could not include children too. It is the appearance of effort that counts. Efficacy is the first consideration in regulatory intent.
        What purpose was served by the group’s televised adds against Wisconsin’s Tony Evers? The add straight up called him a protector of deviant teachers and used case #s for authenticity. Dark Dirty politics and government databases are as serious threat to individual liberty than ever before in human history. Who benefits from forging felons from those not? Who has the most to gain from creating a mass of ” dirty humans” not worthy of being a neighbor? Both establishment parties use the same dirty tricks and identity politics. Trumps election is a clear indication of America’s rejection of the two. We have been sold out to big data. This is no ” getting it back” so to speak.

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        Tony From Long Island

        It appears to me from the verbiage he uses that “Dr. Michael” is a rather older man. I choose to ignore his very poor word choices.

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          a man without a country

          Not just his word choice. His spelling makes me wonder about “Dr.” Michael. I make typos quite often myself (my fingers think they can spell better than my brain). I would hope that someone with a real doctorate would at least know how to proofread as well as check the logic of what is written.

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    CJ

    I sat through the entire conference call of the ACLU TN where they reported on the civil rights legislation they had been concerned with over the last several months, and there was nary a mention of this. Imagine my surprise when I learned of it less than a week later. How, I asked, is this not a civil rights issue that the ACLU TN would be concerned with? I realized a long time ago that sex offender issues were apparently not “sexy” enough for the ACLU, but come on!!

    Apparently this sailed through both houses unopposed, and I think, just as apparently, without any judicial oversight. The Tennessee Constitution, like the US Constitution, contains a prohibition against ex post facto laws. I cannot imagine any scenario where this current bill can be construed as anything but punitive. I can only hope someone, hopefully several someones, get this into court quickly (clearly we can’t count on the ACLU TN for any help here) and we can get this one shot down. It doesn’t affect my personally except in a visceral way, but I am a fellow registrant and this is not something I would wish on anyone, with the possible exception of some of our hypocritical legislators.

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      WC_TN

      As has been explained in the “Registry Matters” podcast on numerous occasions since I started listening, a piece of legislation is PRESUMED CONSTITUTIONAL until challenged and proven otherwise in a court of law. Our courts are not roving tribunals. The court may find a piece of legislation repugnant, but until an actionable case is brought before the courts, they cannot do anything. This means the state can do what they want until one of two things happens: (1) They stop and reverse course of their own volition OR (2) They are told by the courts they cannot do it anymore.

      My question is this: To what degree do legislators seek guidance from the state attorney general when drafting and processing proposed legislation? Surely the A.G. would know that within the 6th Circuit retroactively applying new (and harsher) restrictions to registrants who were on the registry prior to their enactment is unconstitutional. Does v. Snyder labeled such legislation as punitive and a violation of the ex post facto clause.

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      WC_TN

      The ones who need to be filing these challenges in court are the families of the registrants. HD video cameras with sound need to be rolling when it comes time for a parent to move out so that the crying and begging of the little ones for mommy or daddy not to leave can be documented and shown in court. The registered citizen has standing because his (or her) rights are being violated and he or she has every right to bring a challenge, but the families also have grounds.

      If for no other reason, the families need to file because they are innocent parties with clean hands who have broken no law and yet are having their lives destroyed by this horrible piece of N.I.M.B.Y. legislation that has NOTHING to do with protecting children and EVERYTHING to do with hanging a “CHILD MOLESTERS KEEP OUT!!’ sign at the TN – AL border. This law specifically targets those convicted of child molestation or child pornography-related crimes.

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    Donna

    This is absolutely sickening and unimaginable. Just today on National news it was stated that the U.S. is #1 in child sex trafficking. Foster care is where most of these trafficked children come from and this is their solution for protecting them? We all know it makes no sense so how can they say the collateral damage from this irrational law is good for children. Someone has lost all of their mind and it certainly isn’t any of us. Again, no one is assessing any facts, because this would not be happening if they were.

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    fl citzen

    when can i get my concentration camp number? When will it ever stop. The So called politics will never stop till we are dead or in a camp.

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    Hostage in Texas

    Ok folks! Time to line up for the train leading to the gas chambers!! How in the world does this idiocy get passed?? Oh, I for get who is in power. Idiots!! This bill should have been laughed off the legislature floor. This Joey Hensly character must have s*** for brains. Its time to take an aggressive stand against this clear abuse of power. A return to my hippy days… STOP THE WAR! OFF THE PIGS!!!

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    Hostage in Texas

    After doing some background work on Mr Hensly, it turns out his guy is a doctor!!! What happen to his oath of “Do no harm”? Also he has some hsady past dealings with the court and something about incest……. He is also a huge anti gay bigot.

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      Mp

      Upon reading your comment I googled him. I am speechless. I think the saying “thou thinks he does protest to much” is very fitting in his case. How do such people get elected?! I don’t expect anyone to be perfect, but give me a break.

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        EdC

        On further reflection, the emergency stay (to be followed by a class action lawsuit) should be filed by, or on behalf of the children, not the registrant. They have standing because they are being harmed financially, emotionally and psychologically. They are also a much more sympathetic group than are registrants. The other doorway to court review would be for someone to defy the order and be charged with a felony. Not the best option.

        There must be at least one intelligent and articulate 16 or 17 year old who has the testicles or ovaries to be a named plaintiff along with a horde of unnamed plaintiffs. This could be actively promoted to the national media: “Tennessee Children File In Court To Preserve Their Families.” Five minutes on Good Morning America with a teen addressing the effects of the TN law and registries in general would do wonders for to spark a needed debate.

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          WC_TN

          I agree with your premise of having the kids and spouses of registrants file the legal challenges to these laws.

          My only concerns are as follows:

          The state did not give one crap about the effects this law would have on the wives and children of registrants when these laws were passed. Those are seen as “tragic collateral consequences”, which is a nice way of the state saying, “You, as a sexual offender, have devalued the worth of your wives and children to the degree we don’t even consider them or their feelings at any point.” The fact that spouses of sexual offenders have been fired from their jobs and the facts kids of registrants have been bullied due to their parent being on the registry shows that society doesn’t even care about them.

          Sadly, many in our hateful society see anyone who would dare to love, support, help or befriend any sex offender, especially a child molester, as the same sort of human trash as the offender him or herself.

          This bill was pushed through very quietly. The ACLU may not have even known about it. This measure, I’m sure, was processed without any input from the Sex Offender Treatment Board, who surely would have opposed it. Those who actually work with these people know that family support, stable housing and employment all work to increase stability in the registrants’ lives and DECREASE risk of recidivating. This law may CAUSE some registrants to give up and re-offend because they have just lost the one thing that was worth them hanging on for.

          Registrants subject to this law need to have the cameras rolling on the children when time comes for the registrant parent to move out. All the screaming, crying and begging daddy or mommy not to go needs to be memorialized in HD video with sound so that the footage can be shown in court and in the news media. The true face of these horrible laws needs to be exposed.

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          Charlie
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          Having some good footage of traumatized children and parents would definitely motivate some people to advocate for sane review of the policies. Lawmakers are basically all about optics (theatrics really) and to force them to answer for the consequences that they directly cause is a great way to undo their nasty law. Paul Dubbling told us about a small town that he fought using logic and the cost to the town, and how they backed off to protect their own means. The same approach would surely work on lawmakers in Tennessee if they see their faces connected with harming children. Maybe NARSOL needs a YouTube channel??? Post and post and post some video. 900,000 likes would be easy to get if only 1/3 of us plus two family members “liked” a video. Imagine if 900,000 registered person’s plus two family members clicked a like? There’s power in video. Great idea Allie!!!

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        WC_TN

        I’d like to know how KNOWN CROOKS get voted into office!

        At the local level, our COUNTY MAYOR was fired from a city job because he used city workers to do construction work on his home. He did this on the city’s dime and was fired for it and yet the same crook got voted in as county mayor!

        Why do so many people go to the poles with blinders on? Like Larry always says on “Registry Matters” along with the host Andy, ELECTIONS HAVE CONSEQUENCES!! Vet your candidates! Get involved. Ask them point-blank about their stance regarding the passage of rational evidence-based sex offense laws that do not simply play to public fear and outrage and trample our rights. Is your pro or anti-abortion or pro or anti-gay stance, your economic or insurance concerns worth sacrificing your vote to someone who has no respect for your civil or human rights as a registrant?

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      Ed C

      After your post, I googled Mr. Hensley. I am not surprised that he has a history of dalliances, infidelity, incest and gay bashing. Nor is his sponsorship of the TN legislation surprising. My layman’s cut on the correlation between his personal history and the law is that people tend to hate what they fear most in themselves.

      Humans have sexual impulses from a very early age right up to our death beds. It is a part of the species. Our society and its major religious institutions teach that these impulses are somehow sinful, shameful, dirty, unnatural and must be suppressed. That is of course unless they are expressed only through the missionary position in the context of marriage for the purpose of procreation. (Ok, I am being hyperbolic to emphasize the point.) The registry, and in particular draconian implementations, are a way for people to “push away the mirror”, to pretend the “evil” belongs only to others.

      Everyone has had sexual thoughts which have caused discomfort. At least Jimmy Carter was honest enough to own up to it. Some, like Mr. Hensley, have acted on them. His sponsoring extremist legislation is an attempt not just to push away the mirror, but to shatter it.

      This is only one person’s opinion. Please don’t take it as a definitive psychological evaluation. “Damn it Jim, I’m an engineer not a psychologist!”

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    The Criminalized Man

    Exploitative. Hypocritical. Bigoted. Prejudiced. Offensive.
    These lawmakers are not representing the people. Enough already.

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    Chef_Pariah

    It’s like this in Alabama anyway. The law prohibits the residency of any offender whose crime involved a child under 12 to be prohibited from living with their children, or ANY other children under the age of 18.

    There is also no distinction between any difference of sexual offense. It’s terrible down here. I was able to successfully win two petitions to work in two counties, which stated I couldn’t work near a daycare, school, or facility whose main focus was children. My crime did not involve a child.

    I’m currently awaiting a hearing on Relief of Registration and Notification, something I believe Tennessee has had for awhile. We’re just not catching up, seems though as our laws are rubbing off on you guys.

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      WC_TN

      An Alabama registrant who moved into Giles county so he could live with his kids allegedly molested a 7-year-old girl who lived nearby, so TN now has the agenda of doing all they can to disincentivize out-of-state child molesters from moving into the state. Not only did an Alabama registrant ruin a good thing for registered parents in TN by coming into our state and then allegedly re-offending, but several others were also were stupid enough to run their blasted mouths about how our laws are more relaxed than the laws of their home state Alabama. Nobody can blame you for wanting a better life, but be smart about it! Don’t screw it up for others!!!

      Not yelling here but I want my last statement to be clearly noticed and heeded:

      IF YOU ARE A REGISTRANT AND MOVE TO ANOTHER STATE TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF LAWS THAT FAVOR YOUR SITUATION, DO THE LOCAL REGISTRANTS A FAVOR AND KEEP YOUR MOUTHS SHUT ABOUT THE DIFFERENCE IN THE LAW AND MAKE UP AN EXCUSE LIKE, “I JUST LIKE THE LOCALE BETTER.” AND LEAVE IT AT THAT! ALSO, DON’T RE-OFFEND LIKE THIS ALABAMA MAN ALLEGEDLY DID!

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    Anthony

    I find it hard to believe that you are not projecting children with these after the fact bills/laws on convicted sex offenders years later. The state of Tennessee as New York come up with assanin punishments that does not protect anybody or children. The children are continuously punished on no fault of their own as previous sex offenders. The state legislaturs are perverted and warped on their thinking
    errors.

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    Charlie
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    Another brilliant article Sandy! One thing I would add to the horror of placing innocent kids into foster care; research has shown when you take a child who has no mental health or behavioral issues and place them into foster care for 2 to 5 years or more, when they emerge from Foster Care they do so with the same pathology and behavioral issues as those who were placed into foster care for mental health reasons. In other words we disease our children by putting them in foster care needlessly. The system exists because it has to, but not because it is safer than being with parents who love you.
    Keep up the crusade, we are all behind you!

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      David

      1) 63% of all children who committed suicide under the age of 18 were from a fatherless home.
      2) Where is all this venting getting us????? Nowhere.
      I am sorry to say that unless God Himself stands up for us, we have no hope.
      For every small victory, we have more greater losses and larger wars with which, even armed with facts and statistics we cannot win.
      The unfortunate thing is that many legislators are not doing this to grandstand; they are doing it because they believe they are doing the right thing, and hoping to deter future offenses from anyone.
      They believe stiffer penalties will somehow scare people away from committing a sex offense; this of course does not work.
      Many methods of execution-many of which were so brutal they have been outlawed-have been devised throughout the ages to discourage people from committing crimes, and, as we all know, no matter how brutal or punitive legislators and judges make the consequences, crime will continue, and it will continue unto the end of the age.
      ‘Hope deferred makes a heart sick’-Proverbs
      And Charlie, you are right, we are not cowards.
      We have no choice but to stand each day and face a giant we can’t slay, but yet do our best to live right in the face of a society who condemns us, and fight to show them they are wrong by our actions and non-actions!!!
      We have to take what life we have and try to make something out of it each day in the face of great adversity and that takes A LOT of courage!

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    freedomwriter

    This is all SCOTUS fault. They, like everyone else, rule on emotion and not law when it comes to sex offenders

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    mut

    prohibit kids from living with those legislators

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    Mike orourke

    Vigilante victim vengeance for votes .
    Bureaucratic terrorism

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    obvious answers

    At the risk of sounding like a broken record..
    IT is not getting better. YOU are not “making progress” You are not “winning” anything. Every time I hear someone say “we are winning and making progress” I feel the urge to slap sense into them (as if it would help) ..
    Pray tell me what one thing is better since 1997? NOTHING! every “win” is just a loss wrapped in a “its not as big of a loss as they wanted it to be” thats not a win bro..to say you are “winning” is like coming in 5th place out of a two team game and saying “we won because we didn’t take 6th place” …duh.
    States are forcing homelessness, forcing castrations and physical mutations, forcing civil incarcerations, forcing retro active sentencing, forcing guilty please by removing of the ability to use evidence to defend yourself, even making it illegal to be homeless after forcing you into being homeless! And if you are brave enough to escape to another country seeking protections for your family they now hunt you down and attack you outside of American Jurisdiction and try to force you to return to accept more torment..And most states even make you pay for all these wonderful punishments!!!
    WHAT part of that is better then 1997? NONE of it.. well if you are an outsider it is easy to sing “look on the sunny side of life” .. But if your in the thick of it you already know there is no sunny side and it really is just a short step from forced castrations and civil incarcerations to the eugenics movement ..Stand up to what? just get tossed into prison, have your family threatened and abused, your employment taken, everything you worked for and own stolen..
    You really are naive if you think the people who are overwhelmingly supporting castrating you,separating you from your family’s, and placing you into civil incarceration camps wont be looking to exterminate you as well. There already is a large cry for it.
    It will not get better.. Better start asking yourselves how did so many “sex offenders, criminals,political dissidents, Christians and Jews get marched from the concentration camps to the gas chambers in Germany because that started with the “sex offenders too” . Next you may want to read the story of the frog in the hot water.
    Open your eyes and get the stars out then we can talk. But if you want to solve this problem you better get started studying your history first because you walking down the road .

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    Eric

    Ok, would of been nice to know before they past that bill. I guess the next question is what do we do about it before July

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      Ed C

      Perhaps someone in Tennessee could convince a judge to issue an emergency stay until the issue is reconsidered. Every affected registrant with children should have standing to make the request. A boilerplate motion submitted to multiple state courts and one to the feds might increase the odds. Just a thought. I’m not a lawyer.

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    Wearethepeople

    Sandy is there anything we can do? I live in another State but would be willing to write a letter!

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    Paul

    The only way this is going to change is to organize a political pack of convicted felons. Most states are allowing felons to vote now there are literally hundreds of thousands votes in every state. It will be difficult and take time. I am currently in the process of finding a few good leaders here to help me start this in my state. Hopefully I’ll be able to get a few lawyers involved. The only thing politicians listen to is pressure!!! Voting pressure!!!

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      WC_TN

      The problem with your idea is that in states that allow felons to vote there’s usually an exception carved out for sex offenders. It’s that way here in TN. This is where voting families and friends of registrants come in to be heard.

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    John A.

    I am a registered SO in the state of NC for online pictures in 2003. I am also a husband of 15 years and a great dad of two wonderful kids. If the system ever tells me that it isn’t okay for my kids to live with me anymore, they will remove me by force or in a body bag. What has happened to the pursuit of happiness in these United States. In the state of North Carolina, according to the numbers about one in twenty people are registered SOs of any type. In my opinion, we need to all start thinking about revolution. We have played by their rules long enough and have been kicked, hurt, made mockery of. How much longer before we have to start wearing our yellow stars of Jude? Or, how long before they start holding trials in Salem, MA? Wake up everyone! The legal system here will never be kind and understanding of our plight.

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      Ed from PA

      I actually started making a SO yellow star because that is how I feel about my situation.

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    Art

    What I don’t understand is why the people who are going to be directly affected by the law are not notified of the hearing etc. It seems no one is given the opportunity to protest these idiotic laws. Never see the ACLU fighting these laws but yet they are in court all the time defending illegal immigrant’s so called rights.
    Stupid, must be a new requirement to be in public office.

    • #57234 Reply
      Fred
      Fred
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      Really? You never see ACLU fighting these laws? ACLU fought for us in Does v, Snyder all the way to the U.S. Supreme court and won in the 6th Circuit on Ex Post Facto and punitive grounds. They are also involved in two other cases I know of that I am very optimistic will go in our favor. Guess which state is in the 6th Circuit and can benefit from that ruling and maybe even use it against this new law….Tennessee. Knowledge is the key. Assumptions and blaming isn’t going to do you any favors.

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        WC_TN

        Fred, the TN chapter of the ACLU is as useless as teats on a boar hog. This chapter will not TOUCH sex offender issues. I have been to them and got “It’s useless to challenge these laws. We will put our limited money toward cases we think we can win.” That is their answer in a nutshell. Maybe you know how to rattle their cage. I can’t even figure out how to actually talk to a human being at the ACLU. Phone line is automated and refers you to the web site. Web site has form to fill out. Did that and never heard a peep.

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          Fred
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          I am sure the Tennessee ACLU has been a real let down as many in the country are limited financially in what they can do, But, that is not what Art was implying. To just go out there and say ACLU is useless and doesn’t care, is inaccurate. With that attitude so many of us harbor towards them, we are lucky they help us at all.

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        Jerry

        Fred could you give us some insight on the other two case?

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          Fred
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          I have a link to them further down these comments.

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    kat

    Advocates thru out TN conducted a letter and email writing campaign to all TN House and Senate members in an attempt to stop SB425. While they succeeded in getting a portion of the bill dropped (HB 407 which would have increased boundary lines for registrants from 1000 ft to 2000 ft), the SB 425 portion of the bill was railroaded through.
    The impetus for the bill according to Rep. Doggett (a former policeman who worked with Sen. Hensley on the bill) was that “too many registrants from Alabama were crossing state lines to reside in TN as TN’s laws were less restrictive.” Can you blame them, I’d want to live where the laws were less restrictive too if it meant my family and I could live a normal life.
    Come July 1, I hope the ACLU or some lawyer out there is willing to take the first case of violation of this law, pro bono and shake up TN.
    TN is also currently dealing with a “police officer- pastor” who preaches that we should be executing the LGBTQ community. The mentality of those in power in this state leaves ALOT to be desired.

    • #57339 Reply
      Charlie
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      I fear that what you describe, the migration of those affected towards “less restrictive” states will serve to reinforce these laws, and they will catch on like wildfire to block such migration. I wonder, if I fled to Honduras, then snuck back to the US accross the southern border if I could start fresh. Seems that lawmakers are much more sympathetic to the case of southern migrants than indigenous migrants. Just a thought.

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    TN Offender

    I am a registered SO in TN and this is the first Ive heard of this new law. My probation expires in August, and I dont have lifetime supervision, but I do have to keep registering every 3 months. I don`t have any under age children living with me, but my wife and I were thinking of taking in our 12 year old grand daughter after I got off probation. Her mother lives in NC and has nothing to do with her, and her father is in jail looking at a possible long sentence. She currently lives with her biological paternal grandfather in Alabama, but wants to move here to TN. I am one of the offenders that did something stupid when I had a messed up mind after a military deployment, but I have completed all of my treatment, and probation with out any violations in 5 years, and will not be a repeat offender.

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    WC_TN

    I live in TN and am a registrant. This new law was passed for one reason; to disincentivise Alabama registrants from moving to TN. AL does not allow their registrants who abused kids 12 and under to live with their kids even if they were not victims of their own abuse. They found out they could live with their kids here in TN and when they were asked why they were moving into TN, they cited our law allowing them to live with their kids. The complaints came from Giles County Sheriff and their citizens.

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      WC_TN

      Correction…. Any sex offender in AL is barred from living with their kids without regard to age of victim.

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      Mig

      You are correct! I googled “giles county sheriff sex offender” and there is a story specifically speaking on this subject.
      Regarding this new law in Tennessee, and the one in Alabama (and other states with similar laws)… these restrictions seem to prohibit the RSO from “staying overnight” with a minor. So, does this mean that the children only need protecting at night? I would like to ask the lawmakers this, “if your new law designed to protect children prohibits RSOs from overnight stays/visits, what about during the daylight hours? Are children not worthy of protecting during the daytime, or do the evil RSOs not hurt kids during the daytime?”. Where is the logic in how this law is supposed to protect kids? I know, I know… the lawmakers don’t use logic in making laws, etc. But, seriously… could that possibly be a seed of how to fight this new law and show that it does nothing at all to protect a child? Is there some attorney on our side that can eloquently speak to this in a court and basically show the judge/jury that this law essentially says, “Hey kids! Your state just passed a law that protects you from RSOs, but only at night. But that’s ok because you are safe during the day… nothing will happen to you then”.?
      I know that seems absurd to take such a stand. But often times absurdity must be revealed by being absurd.

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        WC_TN

        I am not married and do not have any children. Here’s the million-dollar question:
        What are those of you who have standing to challenge this law going to do about it?
        I think there is already standing since you are expected to either have yourself or your child out of the house by July 1, 2019. If you or your child is still in the house on July 1st, you’re going to jail. Period. So file a challenge as a citizen whose rights were violated. Don’t wait until you’re being charged as a criminal for defying the order. Defying the order and being arrested is a way to get standing, but why go that route and subject yourself to the hell of being in jail as a known child molester?
        I guarantee you there is presently standing to challenge this law. If I am wrong, someone with proper legal knowledge correct me publicly here so folks don’t waste their money.

      • #57340 Reply
        Charlie
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        Don’t give them any ideas, they will plug up that “loophole” and make it even worse. Maybe all registered person’s could get night jobs??

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    Mike Woodall

    Sandy,
    Thanks for another enlightening article. I appreciate you.
    Mike Woodall

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    Mig

    At first I was shocked. Then when I read that 13 other states already have similar laws in place, the shock wore off and I was simply not surprised that Tennessee, and soon New York state, would follow along. A Southern state and a liberal Northern state passing the same awful law at the same time. My opinion? Get ready fellow registered citizens… this sort of law will be in every state soon. Think about it – it is an “easy” law to pass. Any state legislature would be thrilled to sponsor the bill, would never receive any opposition to it, and could use its passage in their reelection of being “tough on crime” and “protector of children”. No press would ever speak out against it and reveal it. It would simply pass and we all will have one more restriction, one more hurdle, one more right taken away, and one more retroactive punishment to endure and suffer. It looks dim and gloomy for us.
    My question is this… are there ANY law makers in ANY state that are “on our side”? Does NARSOL have any sort of list that shows which lawmakers do the right thing when it comes to the registry? The NRA keeps up with lawmakers friendly to their cause… is it possible to know which lawmakers are friendly to the NARSOL cause? Of course, we all know that any NARSOL endorsement may appear more detrimental to that lawmaker’s reelection campaign than just about anything. But, I would like to know if there are ANY lawmakers, ANY elected officials, ANY judges, etc., that we can support. I read the NARSOL website nearly every day and I cannot think of anyone in public service that “goes to bat” for the registered citizen. Do we have an advocate? A champion? A crusader?

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        Mig

        Fred, Thank you for posting this. Dana Nessel, Michigan Attorney General is on our side. God bless you, Dana. I do not live in Michigan, but I will be writing to her a letter of support this week. Thank you, Dana.

    • #57321 Reply
      Sandy Rozek
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      As far as I have been able to determine, no other states have laws going to this extreme except Alabama and now Tennessee with New York poised to adopt it.

      The thirteen states referenced in the New York article as having similar laws disallow residence with one’s own children only if one or more of said children were the victims or if one’s parental rights have been legally nullified.

      And I have a problem with enforcing that across the board. Reading “Joe Smith’s” story “I’m a child rapist” should make it clear why. https://narsol.org/2019/04/im-a-child-rapist-a-story-in-four-parts-part-i/ . For those committed to it and willing to do the work, family reunification has been a blessing to some.

    • #57323 Reply
      Sandy Rozek
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      In some of our states there are legislators who work with our affiliate organizations to enact rational laws and stop bad ones. Any elected official who goes “all-in” trying to do the right thing in regard to the registry and registrants is walking a very tight rope. At the next election, this will be be fodder for his opponent and presented in such a way that he could well lose the election. And an elected official who is suddenly un-elected can’t do anything to help anybody.

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    James

    Time for out-of-state registrants to boycott the state of Tennessee, and let them know about it.

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      d

      Hello James,

      You might be on to something. We have to do something back that is legal but undesirable. I mean every mean and nasty thing that can be done to a state without committing a crime. We need ideas on this. I’m ready to start issuing out some payback.

    • #57291 Reply
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      WC_TN

      Pffft! That’s what TN WANTS!! They don’t want registrants from other states coming here!! That’s why this crappy law was passed in the first place!

      I’ll bet there isn’t a single incident of a registrant who has molested a child 12 or under who has been allowed to live with their own kids ever abusing them since being allowed back into the home. If they didn’t molest them before they got caught, that speaks volumes! It means they had the opportunity but chose not to.

      • #57322 Reply
        Sandy Rozek
        Sandy Rozek
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        Looking at it objectively, of course they don’t want registrants from other states moving there. Neither does any state. Why would they? That should not give them the right to rip families apart, to violate the parent – child relationship, or to trample on the rights and lives of others.

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          WC_TN

          Amen, Sandy! I agree with you 100% There’s no excuse for this kind of legislation; especially when it retroactively screws registrants who have been allowed to live with their kids for the longest time now!!! The prospective aspect of the law may not be a winnable case, but the retrospective applications sure as heck is says DOES V. SNYDER (6TH CIRCUIT). So says SCOTUS when the nation’s highest court DENIED CERTIORARI TO MICHIGAN. The retroactive application to pre-enactment registrants whom the previous law allowed to live with their minor children is absolutely a PUNITIVE EX POST FACTO VIOLATION.

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    CJ

    I should point out that even though I expressed some frustration earlier with ACLU TN for its lack of action in this current bill’s passage, I am not totally down on ACLU; in fact, I do support them with a small donation every month (the national organization, not the TN chapter). Why? Certainly not because they do very much (above exceptions noted) for SORA issues generally. I do it because they support other Civil Rights issues that are also important, particularly in the current presidential administration where we have a self-serving parasite setting the moral tone for our nation and chipping away at the working peoples’ rights at every opportunity. FWIW, I also make a (larger) monthly donation to NARSOL, as this organization’s resources are focused directly on SORA, which is of particular importance to me as a fellow registrant. I would encourage others to do likewise, as they are able, as this is a long-term fight.

  • #57292 Reply
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    WC_TN

    This law seems to be retrospective and prospective in scope. Someone with proper standing needs to challenge this law and not only cite Does v. Snyder, but also add in the state AG’s amicus curiae briefs wherein she decried the state’s S.O.R. as punitive and deserving of being overturned. Also one would need the Supreme Court’s denial of certiorari to the state of Michigan in Does v. Snyder.

    We might not be able to stop the PROSPECTIVE APPLICATION OF THE LAW, but we sure as heck can have the RETROSPECTIVE APPLICATION shot down. Ex post facto sex offender legislation within the 6th Circuit is unconstitutional and punitive. It’s the law of the land now whether state politicians like it or not.

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    Audra

    I cant believe this. It’s going to destroy my daughters when I tell them and we were so close to bringing their dad home. How can they do this? I will be moving out of this God awful state. Heartless legislators!!!! You are ruining lives that have already been ruined enough why hurt us more than we already have hurt for years!?!?! I’m going to sue the state of Tennessees legislation for emotional damages to myself and my children from this!

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    Hostage in Texas

    Well. At the risk of sounding alarmist, this is a war people. If you have not come to that conclusion by now then you are lost. When I was involved in the anti-Vietnam war movement in the late 60’s I also knew people in the Black Panthers. Huey Newton. These people were willing to die for their cause. Thus they stood in the face of the establishment and bigot government. and got the attention of the media. negative as it was, the media exposure spread the word to the country and people got on board. We need to organize and not be afraid of the blow back. At the end of the day, if you beat the drum loud and long enough, people will listen. I just takes guts. WE are now a pariah, but we can show the enforcers that we are them and they are us. When they realize that, this will change. We just need to convince them in a very upfront and confrontational way.

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    Saddles

    I wasn’t going to comment on this Tennesee fracas but speaking out is one of the greatest attributes of mankind. One wonders do we work for justice or do we defend justice? Does the law weld the sword in vain for their criteria. Does mankind take the simple and turn it into complex

    Yes I’ve been monitored several times on here for some words that may be viewed in a negative light or not the choice words to the status quo but we all have feelings. To think that this sex registry is not hurting everyone well think again. Not being able to be around your kids. Now thats a heavy burden. Sounds a bit usurpish to say the least. Law officials do not think everything thru. Even Governments have their astrocratic arrogance. Isn’t a child responsible for his or her actions just the same as teens or adults or does the punishment fit the crime even if it wasn’t a crime. A lot of these laws are to unjust even for me to ponder on.

    I wonder if I was coward in a way. Yes I was coward at the time in taking a plea deal as many others at the time, but being brave to stand up is a lot better than being intimidatied by a this controling factor. and yes David we all have hope and assurance. isn’t that what the bible is all about. Theirs even principals for all mankind and even government. I wonder if we have democracy today.

    We all have responsiblities and even the teenager if that is their responsibilty to induce men in this confidence game in many ways, but the ironic thing is those ordained are the one’s breaking ordained authority. Is law enforcement and government stepping out of line again in this seperation of child and parent and using speculation rather than common sense. Sure who does cowardly things to induce or should we all come together with principal and truth and yes love.

    Sure proper wording has its place and so does government and law. Yes we are people voicing out, and yes we should show respect when respect is due as that is a blessing in itself. In fact we should respect all authority but how does one show respect to someone that flim-flamed one into some of this confidence game, and now look at how its getting way out of hand in this predicting of future events that seem to harm rather than protect or is their still safety in numbers.

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    Jerry P.

    I used to live in eastern tn and one registrar thought it was her duty to try and lock up her registrants… She was and I’m sure she still is a real pain…

    Currently living in nc and nobody will hire me- even after I got off the registry… Broke, hungry and depressed I am…

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    Grace

    First thank you NARSOL for all you do. I am a victim of an abusive household. I know what abuse is and what it isn’t. Laws like this and reading this actually make me physically ill. I don’t understand how we have gotten here. Very sad for us as a nation

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    Kenneth

    “As members of Congress and as Americans, we have a sacred moral responsibility to protect the human rights and the lives of vulnerable children and families,” she said, according to the Times. “To do anything less would be an outrageous and unacceptable violation of our oath and our morality.” nansy pelosi was talking about illegal aliens.
    Illegal Aliens have this support because of marches and protest.
    There is a lot of hopelessness in many of these post. There is an increasingly amount of hopelessness in my heart. I live in michigan,work in Indiana. Witch means I have to register in both. A total of 12 reporting a year. I want to fight the Indiana but cant get an attorney to take it. Michigan is about to reword there sorna so I’ll bet its going to get even worse up here as well. I’m sorry yal are having to be separated from your family it is a shame. We need to figure out how to come to gether as one body to fight this anslought against us

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    allie

    Hearing this news makes me sick to my stomach. All they talk about is protecting the kids, well how much are they really protecting them by taking their father or mother away from them. T hat to me seems the most hurtful thing that anyone could do to a child that loves their parents. God gave those children to their parents and what right does anyone have to take them away. Only God has that right if He so chooses, not some politician or judge who thinks they’re Gods.

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    Kristen

    I have an acquaintance whose family is being torn apart by this new law in TN. My heart hurts for her! Why should she and her son have to go through this when her husband/his daddy is a loving, good father? It’s mind-boggling.

    Sandy, I also really appreciate you speaking up about how the part of the law about people who have harmed their own children being barred could (does) block restorative justice and family reconciliation. If a family chooses to explore that path and has support from professionals, there is a lot of guidance on how they can safety plan, use restorative justice practices, etc.

    I’m biased because this is the situation my family is in. For us, (restorative) justice was denied and when my husband is released, it may be difficult for us to heal given barriers. But I think it’s so important to fight legislation like this, so important to speak up for victims and families who want something different… not be ashamed, but be bold (and strategic).

    As he said in the “I’m a child rapist” story… my hope is that when we get to the other side of this, we’ll say, “hell yes it was worth it.”

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    Saddles

    My prayers go out to all. I was reading about a youth pastor in Tenn that got involved in this undercover scheme orsex sting operation. I believe it was last year. Sure he pled guilty was given probation and also a chance to have his record cleaned after his probation. A second chance, interesting. I wonder whats the difference than a youth pastor and than anyone else. While the man has kids it seems disturbing enough that the government will take advantage of anyone. To be deprived of their kids after incarceration or probation which ever the case may be seems like a double standard.

    I’m no perry mason. I guess if they offer you this plea deal thats it , sort of unusual if not cruel.

    The people in Tennessee in all walks of life should wake up and be aware of this ordeal Yes this injustice is uncanny, even advertising ads to hook up with teenagers. I’m sure almost none involve an actual teenager if any. The suffering, and indignation of it all. The media should shout it out and also NARSOL I am sure is doing their part to help rid all of this. Are judges and government going against the grain?

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    Mig

    Here’s how we fight this and win…
    Every RSO in Tennessee needs to do two things.
    1 – Request from the state/county a list of the address of each and every minor so that you will know where you cannot reside and/or cannot spend the night… because you want to be compliant to this new sex offender law.
    2- Contact their local paper and/or TV news telling them that this new law would require each and every minor in the state of Tennessee to be on a list to be accessed by the RSOs so that the RSOs will know where they are not allowed to reside and/or spend the night.

    I know this sounds absurd, and it is. But it is fighting fire with fire. The logic in this is that the state cannot prohibit a person from being somewhere without telling him where that somewhere is. Ask the press if parents throughout the state would be on-board with this new law if those parents knew that registered sex offenders will be provided their address to sex offenders by the state.
    So, let us get out in front of this. We need to stop SAYING “this new law is so wrong” and “this is terrible” and “this is illegal”. We need to do something besides read comments and stories and get depressed. We need to act.

    The state I live in recently had a bill going through that prohibited any RSO from being at the location of a home-school during the times that the home-schooling was being conducted. I didn’t read about this on NARSOL… I found out about this by keeping up with the bills in my own state. I did contact NARSOL and never heard a thing back.
    So, I took action myself.
    I contacted the legislator sponsoring the bill and asked him how often the state would be updating their list of home-school residences provided to the registered sex offenders so that the registered sex offenders would remain in compliance. I then contacted several home-school associations throughout my state. Each one of them was in full support of this bill until I presented them with the possibility that their privacy would be violated when their addresses would be provided to sex offenders. They then contacted the legislator, who dropped the bill, and it died.
    His office then issued a statement apologizing to the home-school community and said that all he was doing was trying to protect children, and he did not realize that his bill was violating the privacy of the home-schoolers.
    So, hey Tennessee! Take action. Ask for the list of minors. Ask when it will be provided. Ask the press if they will be printing the list in their paper and how often. Ask any political opponents of Rep. Hensley if they are aware that his bill/law gives sex offenders a list of where minors live.
    The way that we win throughout the country is not to inform that these ridiculous laws and restrictions harm us, but it is to educate (and scare) the non-RSOs throughout the country that these laws harm THEM.

  • #57386 Reply
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    kat

    Re Mig:
    This is thinking “outside the box” for sure.
    Puts the onus of responsibility for being able to comply right back where it belongs, on the state. Registrants can’t comply if they are not provided a fair playing field. There’s no way to know that children aren’t somewhere unless A) you are provided that info by the state or B) you go there yourself to find out which may make you out of compliance already.
    Yes, I like this idea. I don’t know if there’s a legal leg to stand on but I do agree that it’s time we start thinking of different ways to fight and win, we seem to spend an awful lot of time spinning our wheels with little result, although it’s certainly not from lack of trying.
    Time to think outside the box, put pressure on the states to provide everything registrants require, every single bit of information they need and should be entitled to by law, to be in complete compliance with these wretched laws. (just providing all of that would hit state pocketbooks….but then they’d just charge registrants another fee.)
    Still, good ideas have to start somewhere.

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    CP@TX

    NARSOL,
    I have a couple of questions for you: 1) what the heck happened to “NARSOL v TN”? and 2) is the state of Michigan telling both the 6th Circuit COA and SCOTUS to go “F#@$” yourselves, we’re not going to let anybody of our registry?

    • #57474 Reply
      Sandy Rozek
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      You’re going to have to give me a little more info. NARSOL v. TN? Are you talking a suit with NARSOL suing the state of Tennessee? As far as I know, we have not done that.
      As far as Michigan, we’ll need to wait and see what they will do. That’s not over yet.

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    mut

    be very careful!
    proponents of this law may be pedophiles attempting to falsely villify and eliminate the parents of children who are then vulnerable to those very vulchures of society.

  • #57629 Reply
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    Ecrc

    What the update ? Will my hub get a good news call from his pro this week you stated All fathers won’t have to move out , well my hub. Pro said our son can’t come back home cause his victim was his step daughter long ago ( 20 ) years ago , so even though we have a bio son it don’t matter , even though our son is not a victim nor in danger it don’t matter , they don’t take into concideration of anything , pro called told hub call him ASAP he called and gave Good news , son could come home we was so happy crying at work when I heard the news , my hub was sobbing , and kept pausing , I’m like what is it , he said Our son can come home !!! We was so excited and happy our baby could come home !! We was going to tell our son after work to surprise him with the great news , But then not but 5 min later pro called back Sorry we made a mistake your son can’t come home cause your victim was a step child ;(
    I’m like whatttt ! So then again we started crying and thinking this is so sad ;( our hopes was up and at the jump of a hat ,

    They was down ;(
    So that’s why I’m asking will this Be For All fathers regardless !! Or what ?
    I hate confusion and I hate dealing with the great news and come find out it not meant for us ;( my emotions can not handle more pain

    • #57635 Reply
      Sandy Rozek
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      Admin

      I wish I could tell you something definitive.
      I stated that parents who were affected by this new legislation would not have to leave their homes while the TRO is in place, which will be at least until the 11th of July.
      From what you have said, it appears that your husband may be subject to a part of the law that was already in effect. There were already two conditions under which a registrant was not permitted to live with minor children. They are:
      (1) The offender’s parental rights have been or are in the process of being terminated as provided by law; or
      (2) Any minor or adult child of the offender was a victim of a sexual offense or violent sexual offense committed by the offender.
      From what you have said, it appears that your husband is being held accountable under the second stipulation.
      I am not an attorney and cannot speak with any certainty at all about this. I am simply trying to interpret what you said in light of the law already in place and in light of what you say your husband was told by probation. If you possibly can, I suggest you consult an attorney.

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    james p mayfield

    It’s been a while since i’ve been to Narsol but wanted to drop in and i see this sad state of affairs in TN. I’ve just been working and enjoying life with my wife no kids. I hope this law will be challenged and struck down. There are certain people in power in whatever state we reside in that focus on snapshots from a registered persons past and have passed laws that restrict that registered persons freedom of housing,jobs,relationships now; with the assumption that person will offend again. What a bunch of garbage, for the statistics don’t back up this premise. America needs a wake up call that it does’nt matter where one has been but rather where are you now mentally and spiritually have you conquered your issues or unresolved conflicts and started a new life. One your issues have been resolved there is no need for this punitive continuing punishment and prejudice which will hamper an individual from reaching their full potential in this life. I am a registered citizen and i thank God for everyday i wake up and ask for his protection for me and my wife every day to make it through the work day. America or shall i say the people in power and our fellow citizens must be made aware that the vast majority of registered citizens will never offend again so why all the dehumanization? Let the past be the past; I can say this for i understand my past have learned from it and have no desire to offend again. The critics that say what about the victim? The victim has to learn to forgive not for the perpetrator but for themselves to heal and have a wonderful life. There seems to be a mass psychosis of societal thinking that when a wrong is done to someone that person is damaged for the rest of their life so the perpetrator must be perpetually whipped till they die. The way it should be viewed is time heals all wounds physical and mental, as a rock is thrown in the water the waves will die down eventually i.e. the further in the past the hurt, the victim and perpetrator have put it behind them healed learned and moved on. Be safe everyone.

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      Charlie
      Charlie
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      Hi James, your point is well made. I was doing a men’s group tonight, and among other things I used a quote from Ken Blanchard, from memory it’s, “we are not our behavior, we are people managing our behavior.” The idea that one negative factor of a person’s life can condemn him/her would also suggest that other positive factors can redeem the same person. So, if a wrong choice of behavior is now corrected by healthy self management, then the lable should no longer apply. Those who would condemn without grace are ignoring the very premise of their own judgement, that behavior is an indicator of a person’s momentary self management, not of their entire character.

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    Eric

    Update from TN, and as a relative to someone who this will be disastrous to.

    On Jun 28, a TOR was granted to stop this law going into effect on July 1. On July 11, the injunction hearing will take place.

    Here is the local newspaper article link: https://www.tennessean.com/story/news/politics/2019/06/28/lawsuit-tn-law-banning-sex-offenders-living-own-children/1587425001/

    For me personally, I am related to the offender, whose offense took place in 1999, and is the sole provider for a non-verbal, low-functioning autistic child. Why is there no mother? She ran away when the child was 18 months, and has never inquired about the child. Thus, the child has deep separation anxiety issues.

    If anyone can help, please do

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    Sally Brown

    Does anyone know what happened with this bill? I saw where there was a stay put on it on July 11th I think. It went before a judge. Does anyone know what happened from there? Has it been enacted?

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