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A not-so-surprising consequence of sexual hysteria: presumed guilt

By Sandy and Robin . . .  Is Kavanaugh guilty of Ford’s accusations? Of Ramirez’s? Of Swetnick’s?

We don’t know.

Is Kavanaugh innocent? We don’t know.

If he is guilty, is immaturity and high-school-boy-stupidity the best explanation and the assumption that he has grown up a given, or was and is something more sinister at play here? Is, as stated by Dr. Karen Franklin in a thought-provoking piece,  group sexual assault no youthful indiscretion but rather functional behavior that serves a purpose?

We don’t know.

We do know this. No one should be surprised. This is the logical next step in a journey that began almost three decades ago.

When the powers that be set in motion the creation of what would become the public sex offender registry, they were creating a tool that would soon take on a life of its own. It morphed quickly from a law enforcement instrument designed to be helpful in monitoring highly dangerous serial sexual offenders into a catch-all black hole that required little more than a public accusation of sexual wrong-doing to set it swirling.

It even became an inspirational mechanism for fueling the use of internet sting operations, utilizing fake targets and false images in the effort to entrap tens of thousands of American citizens and permanently destroy their reputations.

Those whose behavior was deviant, even in the absence of danger, were easy targets. It immediately swallowed anyone whose behavior raised in parents the fear of what could happen to their children, including those children becoming sexual beings before the parents were ready for that to happen. It became a vehicle with which to express our disapproval, our moral indignation, and our disgust at the behavior of others.

And now, just the threat is enough, just the accusation. Just the suggestion, even.

The mere allegation of sexual wrongdoing is a ready accomplice to those needing the edge in child custody disputes or seeking revenge in a wronged relationship. It is the best of campaign strategies against opponents for those seeking public office.

It has been used to disenfranchise thousands. It has created industries whose very livelihood depends on its continuing existence.

It has toppled CEOs. Destroyed those prominent in industry and entertainment. Put an end to careers, both in the performance arts and on the athletic field. It has caused the removal of artwork from galleries, not because the subject matter of the art was sexual but because the artist was on a sex offender registry. It has severely limited the travel, both domestic and international, of a large portion of American citizens. It has made many jobless and homeless and hopeless.

It is responsible for rampant acts of vigilantism, for wanton destruction and untold misery, for death, both by murder and suicide.

And now that accusation is used to influence the outcome of the highest court in our legal system.

Some of those decrying its use now are the same ones who pushed, over the years, for the increase of its breadth, scope, and strength. They have introduced and supported bills making criminals of teenagers who engage in sexual activity with each other and who engage in the phenomena known as “sexting.” They have written laws allowing children as young as nine to be convicted and registered as sexual criminals.

They have punished young men for a lifetime for one act of criminal sexual behavior that occurred when they were minors. And now they beg for mercy for one of their own, saying minors should not be held to the same standards as adults.

Is Kavanaugh guilty? We don’t know. It probably doesn’t matter.

We do know that this is not at an end. The black hole of accusation and of the public sex offender registry is not through gorging itself.

Its next victims will be your brothers, sons or daughters, husbands or wives, or yourself. You might be guilty, or you might be innocent.

And that won’t matter either.

 

Sandy Rozek

Sandy is communications director for NARSOL, editor-in-chief of the Digest, and a writer for the Digest and the NARSOL website. Additionally, she participates in updating and managing the website and assisting with a variety of organizational tasks.

Robin Vander Wall

As vice chair of NARSOL, Robin is the managing editor of the Digest, chair of the marketing committee, and provides assistance to the webmaster in keeping our websites running smoothly. He also serves as president of Vivante Espero, NARSOL’s foundation and legal fund.

 

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  • #46948 Reply

    Andy Hudak III

    Of course, he MAY be innocent of the sexual allegations, but this essay appears to be so influenced by your understandably emotionally charged lens re real problems w the legal system, that you overlook the significant differences between that and the Kavanaugh hearings.
    e.g. It is HIGHLY LIKELY (based on how the first accusation came out based on several corroborative witnesses), that he has lied under oath on at least several occasions.
    There needs to be an investigation to know IF he is guilty BECAUSE he could be in a position to rule on sexual abuse, offenders’ registry, and womens’ issues. (Including post writings where he states that he believes that several forms of birth control is equivalent an abortion.)
    We all know that when someone is in a “double life” it can produce over-reactions in either direction. One eg could be that he rules harshly against people that act out sexually on others to prove he was innocent!
    It is also highly likely that he has lied about whether he read emails that were stolen from the DNC when he was on the White House Legal staff.
    He wants us to believe that he has never seen (another lie under oath) porn that the judge he clerked for was widely know to circulate to his clerks. (corroborated by several witnesses)
    So, my concern is that I am with you re the need to get rid of the registry for moderate and low risk people that act out sexually on others…as wrong as they will get help for themselves, and that it is awful when people are assumed to be guilty before the evidence is presented, but you are conflating the legal system with a different system…an appointment for life to the supreme court where the standard of proof is NOT beyond a reasonable doubt, and where the Republican members of the committee are blatantly setting up a he said/she said, so that they can push through the nomination of a guy who appears to be lying, and they do not care.
    That is the opposite of what I see in the Justice system.
    Finally, I would add that I am willing to forgive anyone for act outs against others-especially when young…but only IF they will take responsibility, AND tend to the damage done by their s=actions IF guilty!!!

    • #46992 Reply

      Lance Martinez

      Behind the sexual (sex offender registry) relentless fear-mongering, biased assessments, tough on crime politicians, tough on crime state legislators, judges, law enforcement and our court system continue to use sex crimes as a way to further their careers by using sex offenders as the ultimate whipping post for a crime. In some places, like Florida, you will never get off the sex offender registry and this is written in the law. This is so even if you were not convicted.

      Families are not necessarily destroyed by the offender’s actions, often a one-time offense, but destroyed by our legal system. You lose your job, often go to prison and end up on parole. You can’t find work, vigilantism is a threat, you are not free to travel interstate, intrastate and now internationally. You are identified on your driver’s license, the internet or license plates. You cannot secure or share shelter in a hurricane or other disaster. Your children are harassed in school. You cannot attend any school activities being within a certain distance of your children’s schools nor attend any event involving children. You cannot really establish friendships or relationships. The list goes on and on.

      It is not enough to plead guilty. It is good to know (97% of federal trials) result in the ever popular plea bargain, through mandatory minimum sentences and the unrestrained prosecutors who have more power than anyone else in the criminal justice system.

      My attorney’s first recommendation was to plea bargain. My ethnicity being Spanish, my attorney being black and female in a southern state did not help matters any nor did a 6 person jury represent a fairness quality to me.

      The cards are stacked that you are going to lose your ass. Your best move is to plea bargain whether innocent or guilty of a crime. At least you will sort of know where you stand. In my case, I negotiated my plea bargain and got more than my attorney could ever obtain for me and I wasn’t sure I even knew what I was doing. It isn’t like I was familiar with the law or legal procedure. What a nightmare. I was looking at 10 years in prison. There is nothing more dissatisfying than pleading guilty when you know you are innocent of the charge.

      In closing Judge Kavanagh is being treated like any sex offender whether he is guilty or not. There is a lesson to be learned here; don’t you think? I am confident Justice Thomas has learned his lesson.

    • #47197 Reply

      David Kennerly

      I don’t think that the exploration of Kavanaugh’s past actions and current fitness are at odds with what Sandy and Robin have said. These two distinct issues, a society that’s gone off of the collective mental health deep-end, on the one hand, and the importance which we must invest in the selection of a Justice, on the other, are mutually exclusive. We need to be able to hold and examine these different issues simultaneously.

      • #47204 Reply

        David Kennerly

        Correction: “…are NOT mutually exclusive.”

        • #47756 Reply

          Andy Hudak III

          Of course…I am saying that the issue of false accusations and the Kavanaugh hearing were apples and oranges. The fact is that it is absolutely horrible when anyone is falsely accused, but this Kavanaugh thing was NOT a case of presumed guilt by many … it was a case of a fake investigation where the president lied about not limiting it, so he could put in his man.
          ISN”T EVERYONE HEREIN, NO MATTER WHAT “SIDE” YOU WERE ON, INTERESTED IN A FULL INVESTIGATION FOR SOMEONE WHO WILL LIVE ON THE PUBLIC’S MONEY FOR A LIFETIME INTERESTED IN A COMPLETE INVESTIGATION? IF NOT, WHY NOT? This was a set up sham to confirm someone that had lied under oath, with no attempt to properly investigate. (AND the focus on solely on the sexual harassment, rather than a future Supreme Court Judge perjuring himself under oath multiple times is disgusting)
          I support NARSOL’s work on the harm the registry does, but not when there is this conflation of a legitimate issue like presumed guilt with the lack of any will to find out the truth in a Supreme court hearing.
          Besides, it also needs to be said that in the overwhelming amount of cases of sexual charges, the person IS guilty.
          That doesn’t make it any less worse when someone IS falsely accused, and the penalties SHOULD be enforced (they are not!) when someone does accuse falsely, but credibility and issues are diluted and lost when we mix up issues, and do not keep an accurate context.

  • #46955 Reply
    Robin Vander Wall
    Robin Vander Wall
    Admin

    Thanks, Andy. But the post isn’t really about Kavanaugh. We’re pretty clear about the fact that we don’t know whether he’s innocent or guilty. And if you read to the end, you’ll see that we don’t consider that it matters very much, either for him or anyone else. The point of the post is hopefully to get people to see that 30+ years of hysteria in matters related to sex is finally coming home to roost. It doesn’t matter if you’re black, white, purple, blue, the Pope, or the King of Spain. If someone says you did something sexually abusive towards them, you might as well hang it up. So the post goes much deeper than Kavanaugh. He’s just the most recent poster boy for the phenomenon. He may be innocent. He may be guilty. Who the hell knows? It doesn’t matter. This was not a partisan or political post. NARSOL has no partisan agenda (and, as a non-profit, we’re forbidden from having one). Kavanaugh could be Christ for all it’s worth, and he’d still be in the cross hairs of a culture that doesn’t give a rat’s ass about the truth, but only hears what’s being alleged…and acts accordingly.

    • #47049 Reply

      George

      I know you’re a moderator, but your comment explained the article perfectly, and it was what I took away from it.

      As to Kavanaugh as a US Supreme court judge, all I care about is that he proves to be a stalwart defender of our rights under the Constitution, especially the Amendments.

    • #47077 Reply

      Maestro

      I can’t even read this entire post because I’m just sick of this whole subject and the destruction of our society over sex.
      If we’re going to hold this man accountable for things that happened back in friggin high school, then many of us as well as our fathers and grandfathers should just turn ourselves in for ever uttering the TYPICAL HIGH SCHOOL BOY words we used to say to girls back then; “But if you loved me you’d ‘do it’”. 🤦🏻‍♂️
      This is ridiculous beyond ridiculous. What were these women doing for 30+ years? Living their lives? Having fun times? Vacations in Cancun doing college spring break? And now, all of a sudden, as of out of nowhere, they are stricken with fear as if they’ve been brutally raped and beaten 5 minuets ago. WHAT!!!???

      We have a huge problem in the country. And it’s spreading – like the cancer it is – to other countries. It’s called FEMINISM.
      Many of you can argue me all day about what feminism was SUPPOSED to be when it started. But I will remind you to look at what it has become. It’s disgusting. I wonder if these women hate their fathers and sons for having penises.

      If you don’t already have children – DON’T BOTHER. Your girls will grow up to be career “victims” and your sons will be closet rapists.

      P.S. I’m finally done with probation if anyone cares.

      • #47111 Reply

        Timothy

        Phil,
        All a show to “APPEAR” sensitive to the issue by the men in grey. The FED is pathetic in their justification for playing such roles in the lives of individuals. Too many lay claim to courageous position as in Mrs Ford herself. What courage does it take to testify about being humiliated by another? None. She gets her 15 minutes, without serious cross examination. I smell a book deal and a victim’s celebrity. Home of the brave? HA! Scared and scarred by feelings.

        • #47115 Reply

          Seth Hodges

          It sounds like you are part of the problem with that line of thinking.

    • #47371 Reply

      Jerry

      I get the intent of the article, Robin! It is amazing how all these “get tough on crime” politicians are ready to quickly excuse the claims against Kavanaugh because of what happened 30-35 years ago, yet they don’t mind placing someone on a sex offender registry for life because when the person was 20 he inappropriately touched his girlfriend of the last 2 years who is 17 because THEIR law says it’s a crime because he is now 20 and the magical, arbitrary 3-year age difference now makes him a sex offender. Never mind that she will be 18 in 2 weeks, he is now a sex offender. NOW if he downloads something on his computer and is caught with it, it is a second “sexual offense” which then automatically arbitrarily lists him as an SVP who now has to register for life and pay four counseling for life. Who is this person a danger to because of these two acts? But Kavanaugh deserves a pass for what he has been accused of because it was over 30 years ago? He gets the benefit of the doubt? Why? What makes him so special?

      You are right. We don’t know if Kavanaugh is guilty of what he has been accused of, and everyone deserves the right of being not guilty until meeting the burden of “reasonable doubt” in a court law. My issue about Kavanaugh is his lying under oath about drinking, the writings on his yearbook, and looking at the information regarding the Democrats when he worked in the George W. Bush Whitehouse. He knows damn well what the devil’s triangle is and what FFFFF means. HE LIED UNDER OATH ABOUT THIS! It automatically disqualifies him!

      Sex offender laws and punishments have gone far beyond the original intent, which was just to make the public aware of the worst of the worst AFTER they did their time. There was no original intent to post it all over the Internet and to add to the list of crimes that are now sex crimes with a need to warn the public about someone who downloaded something from the Internet on his computer. No facts to show such a person is automatically a public threat.

      Thus, I agree with Robin. Now let all of the “tough on crime” people do something that results in their being labeled a “sex offender” and/or someone in their immediate family when they were young. These same people think a 14 year old should be on a public sex offender registry for life. If so, then they have better been angels as youth’s and never have made a girl fight them off in a car from “going to second or third base with her!” If they were one of “those boys” they deserve it now 30 years later!

      We cannot continue to tolerate two sets of laws in this country: one for the well-to-to and well-connected and another set of laws for the rest of us!

      It will be interesting how the once unreasonable Crusaders will now be pushing for more humane laws and punishments for so-called sex offenses because now it is hitting home!

    • #47758 Reply

      Andy Hudak III

      Except I DID read to the end and I disagree w the premise. This was a case of same old same old…Anita Hill revisited…NOT the accumulation of sexual hysteria…which, I might add is a real thing, and I DO support your calling it out…just NOT using this example! (see my other post for why)

  • #46956 Reply

    Curtis McPhetridge

    The Kavanaugh case is not an FBI case homeland security will tell you that, so people need to shut up about the FBI. As for you Andy you have already convicted him with no evidence. Your just going off what the women are saying. This is a smear campaign to ruin someone’s life and a stall tactic. This samething happened in Alabama earlier this year and once the voting was done the woman disappeared, this is what is going on here. I’m not saying this stuff doesn’t happen because I know it does. My question is where were these women before he was nominated.
    The sex offender registration system does not work and needs to be eliminated, because no man is safe and false allegations come up all the time and the man as no chance to defend himself and is found guilty without given a chance. It’s no longer innocent until proven guilty it’s the opposite guilty until proven innocent henceforth destroying men’s lives.

    • #47078 Reply

      Maestro

      Maybe, with any luck, this situation will open the eyes of the justice system to see first hand what it feels like to be accused of the most unforgivable crime ever. Maybe this WILL raise the question of just how necessary the SOR is and perhaps should be abolished.

  • #46963 Reply

    Saddles

    All those that are in tonights show are presumed innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. Now where have I heard that before, Was it bad boys or Cops. The movie was a was so so. Did anyone expect that this Kavanaugh ordeal would happen or go this far. I’m sure some cant see the forest before the trees but thats just how some things go at times. Someone said in the article whatever way it goes, it probably doesn’t matter.

    Actually all things matter in a court of law and justice for all should be justice for all,. One should remember these are big ivy league players or should big government just sweep it under the rug. Well those women didn’t think it should be sweep under the rug did they. What was their thought, what was their intent in this whole matter or issue. Was it a Me2 statement of a girls soriety system of today or the true justice of men or boy going bad or was it to get some honor and justice after so long. Should what happened 20 or 30 yrs ago be considered outdated or be a forgoven memory. Folks we are talking about a high office

    Should a case like this have not, or should have never came up. Is the status of limitations ran out? While I have been to a few parties off campus when I attended Marshall U back in the 70’s. Should the women be just ashamed as the man if thats the case. Sure I plead guilty to my plea deal even when they tricked me into plea deal or bargain and the DA read all the evidence in court, just as if it was recorded from the internet-set up. What was one going to do lie about it or say no contest or something like that. In fact I was guilty of a potty or naughty mouth.

    While one can say whats right or wrong in these issues of human justice, this case does say a lot about American Justice and Courts of law and victims standing up to these shamful situation. How is all this gonna help in this sex offender issue. One has to look at this as an opportunity.

    Well lets just say it couldn’t hurt and human value is still human value and people are worth redeeming back into society I would hope. I didn’t really want to bring out any criminal justice issues but this an interesting situation for those that in a situation such as this and it does speak volume to the sex offender issue we all face and also the challanges of this ordeal of human degradation. I hope thats the right word.

  • #46964 Reply

    Kris@KSRSOL

    The sex offender registry is the modern day scarlet letter. And sexual crime accusations are most certainly the modern day mark of the beast. One is given by the courts, the other by society. At anytime you may be stamped with one of them.

    We don’t know at this point if Kavanaugh is guilty. But like this post said, it probably doesn’t matter. If Kavanaugh were to be found innocent in court, society is not going to accept that. Because they’ve already found him guilty. Like the phrase, “The bigger they are, the harder they fall”, Kavanaugh is a popular figure, however, this accusation that society has already found him guilty for is going to make him fall really hard regardless of the outcome. We just hope this is a wake up call for Kavanaugh that this whole sex offender hysteria has gone too far.

    It will never be enough for you if you were accused of a sex crime to later be found innocent. Because society has already found you guilty. Because to them there is no possible way you could be innocent. So let this be a lesson to anyone who may be accused, pick your scar: the letter or the mark?

    • #47053 Reply

      George

      I think we’ve seen now with the Bill Cosby conviction, how far society and the courts are willing to go.

      If they’d put an 81 year old blind man in prison (and you know he’ll be in “protective custody”-solitary) for 10 years for doing drugs and having sex (and any honest oldsters who imbibed in Quaaludes back in the day will tell you all about those drugs…), they’ll certainly imprison everyone they possibly can, no matter their age, sex, or physical disability.
      Next the courts will revisit the “free love” of the 60’s.

      If I was a fan of conspiracies, I could believe there was a huge one happening now, but I’m sad to admit that I believe the true culprit is human nature, and that this witch hunt will result in much more death, anguish, pain and suffering before we all tire of it.
      There will be many books written about these sad times in American history. Maybe our grandchildren’s children will write them…

      • #47158 Reply

        Chris

        Man, oh man did I want to stay out of this conversation but this comment….. I sincerely hope there is some sarcasm I missed or something.

        Before I proceed, let me say that I am not one of those bandwagon jumping haters who want to string up every person accused of anything inappropriate. Hell, if I was I would still be strung up myself. I liked Cosby back in the day and still today I respect what he did and achieved on television and the stage throughout the years. If any cable channel was brave enough to show Cosby Show reruns I would still watch because it is (still) quality family programming.

        Now, having said that, are you seriously suggesting that what he has been convicted of doing is merely drug-enhanced consensual sex? You do realize, don’t you, that he was convicted of drugging these women without their consent or knowledge and then forcing sex on them without consent? Know what they call that in every nation in the world that matters? R-A-P-E. It’s not innocent fun, it’s not okay because he is a celebrity, it is not okay, period. It is a brutal act that many victims never recover from, especially under these circumstances. I don’t care for the nation’s “victim mentality” of late, but these women are genuine victims.

        Which brings me to my next point: They deserve justice. All victims deserve to see their abusers punished. That is how civilized community works. Bad deeds are punished. He’s 80-something years old…. So? He did the crime, he owes the time. He’s blind….. So? He did the crime, he owes the time. He will have to spend ten years in seg…. Not necessarily. He will probably spend most of his time in a medical unit due to his advanced age and likely health issues. But even if he does spend 10 years in seg…. So? If it was your daughter or sister or mom that was drugged and raped would you care how much suffering their attacker had to endure? I doubt it. It wouldn’t matter if he was bedridden and paralyzed. He did the crime, he owes the time.

        Now, does Cosby deserve to be labeled a Sexually Violent Predator and be made to register for any length of time? He deserves the same post-incarceration punishment that everyone else guilty of a sexual offense deserves: Nothing. No one, after paying their debt, should be subjected to registration and all that it entails. Not even a 80-something year old blind former TV icon turned rapist.

      • #47188 Reply

        Alexander C Miles

        You are so right!
        We need to triple the budget of the FBI and US Customs to per, I mean prosecute everyone caught on film from Woodstock. That iconic teenager jiggling her ample pendulous bosoms needs to be put in prison and register as a high risk sex offender for life. By the way – Mich Jagger french kissing David Bowie, now deceased, represents public lewdness – at least registry for life.
        All these perverts shagging and streaking through the 60s – it is time that an outraged moral Baptist majority proceed with utmost severity. However, the Baptist Jesus, actually an early FBI agent, precocious as he was, and absolutely not a kike, is merciful. Let them all plead to ten years incarceration and lifetime on the registry!
        Praise the Lard!

  • #46965 Reply

    Glen

    The Kavanaugh situation is a good example of how all it takes is an accusation for many people to automatically assume guilt. This is the very reason so many that are falsely accused do not take their cases to trial…because many have already made up their mind before a single piece of evidence is ever, if even, presented…

  • #46966 Reply

    Glen

    Remember the Duke Lacross case? The world was ready to lynch those guys thanks to Nancy Grace, and many in the public prematurely judging them guilty. This Kavanaugh situation has a similar stench…

  • #46968 Reply

    Donna

    You can almost predict that when one comes forward with accusations another and another will follow. This has become very upsetting because no one knows what to believe. When there is no possible way to know for sure we are left with a lingering doubt no matter what the outcome. There is no surprise anymore when one is accused. My husband and I question the validity of the accuser when so much time goes by and then suddenly past events are conveniently reported. There is someone in my state who has claimed sexual abuse and torture for 6 long years under the same roof as other family members. This went on but was never reported until someone found out and helped the victim report the abuse. In contrast, a mentally challenged teenager was sexually assaulted by a school counselor and with the intellect of a 5 year old he knew what happened was very wrong and reported the incident to his mother and the police right away! Hello! What does one make of that?

  • #46969 Reply

    WearethePeople

    Well written! You pointed out everything in the right portion. I a female, was sexually active and so were most of my friends. We started to become sexually active soon after the onset of our mence’s. We all liked the older boys. They were the ones who had muscles, and cars, and jobs, and money. If the statutory sexual offences were carried out in the 60″s they all would be in jail. The older boys even the one I married. I was 16 and pregnant, and married to someone much older. I was able to go to College, and so were most of my friends. Some became Doctors and Lawyers, most became nurses and counselors as well as other important jobs. So when I hear the stories of what happened 20- 30 years ago, like with this case. I say so what, that was 20-30 years ago, they were kids, look at the person now!

    • #47055 Reply

      George

      WearethePeople, you are so right-on with your comment!

      (To narsol: We are in desperate need of some “like” buttons around here!)

      • #47079 Reply

        Maestro

        I have been wanting to mention the idea of “Like” buttons. Narsol, give it some thought.

    • #47058 Reply

      Ed

      I won’t enter the discussion as to whether a 30-year-old attempted rape by a drunken 17 year-old would disqualify him from being on the Supreme Court. However, I will say that if Judge Kavanaugh indeed did that, his denials yesterday constitute perjury. That is certainly disqualifying.

  • #46972 Reply

    Cricket

    I was raped 40 years ago n the service. Not only did nobody believe me, nobody cared. Women had no voice; they were chattel. Property. Yet, I am married to a sex offender and hold him above everyone else. On one hand, I am glad that women are finally being taken seriously. I cannot describe the pain I have gone through. Being minimized hurt more than the events themselves. On the other hand, I believe the registry is cruel and unusual punishment, and that people can change. But first, they have to admit where they are wrong. My husband is the one who made me okay with my past and with myself. The me-too movement is not hysteria, and anyone who has been forced to have sex will attest to that. Statistics describe it as 1 in 3. This nation has been constipated since it’s inception and it is finally discharging the beast. It hurts as it rips and tears. Once we area allowed to look at it and see what it really is, things will normalize. There is not just one faction of walking wounded in this country, most of us are wounded. We all need to heal.

    • #47057 Reply

      George

      I too am a former victim, and have never “told” (though I’ve spoken with a couple of the perp’s other victims)
      and I’m ok with leaving the past in the past.
      God bless your husband, he sounds like a good soul.

  • #46961 Reply

    Kerry

    Fantastic piece, smart and witty. Where are we when the judges are no longer even safe from accusations. There own could soon be the next victim of the registry.

  • #46962 Reply

    Kathy Dean

    As a woman, I am appalled at what is happening in our society. I’m scared for ALL boys, teens and men! If you look at a certain woman in a way they don’t like, if you remotely offend them in any way you’re done for. Nowadays you don’t need evidence to support your accusations, all you need is another woman to support what you say! That’s a scary world for a man or teen to live in. It all really started with John Walsh when his son was murdered. Of course that was a tragedy and I felt for the family, but unfortunately Mr Walsh started a hysteria that evolved into a monster of its own. It seems he perseveres a huge portion of teen boys and men as sexual perverts that need to be locked up and forgotten hence the registry. He has the population so scared that parents can’t even let a kid be a kid, and it has paved the way for what is happening today. All you have to do is accuse someone you don’t like of being a sexual pervert and that man’s life is over. What a tragedy that is!

    • #47068 Reply

      Ed

      There is a delicate balance between the real issues of sexual assault and the witch hunt. Sexual assault is different from sexual harassment. Blending the two not only diminishes those who have been assaulted, but ruins the lives of those who were merely indiscreet, or perhaps thoughtless pigs.

      I have no respect for John Walsh. I believe he exploited his son’s tragic death to increase his own celebrity. Adam’s death was apparently not a sexual assault. Two years after passage of the Adam Walsh Act (July 2006), police decided the murder was Ottis Toole, who was not a sex offender, but a psychopathic serial killer. Yet Mr. Walsh had leveraged the murder to create the SORNA abomination.

  • #46994 Reply

    Rickey Moore

    What I don’t get is how this case winds up in front of congress without a single charge being filed at the county level. One usually contacts the police, give testimony under examination by a Detective, who determines if a valid case can be made. This entire thing would have been tossed out due to the amount of time since the alleged offense. That is our justice system, probable cause must be established prior to any filing of formal charges. How it becomes a matter for our Federal Legislative branch is beyond me.

    • #47089 Reply

      Ed

      Ricky, it is a matter for the legislative branch, specifically the Senate, because of the Constitution’s “advice and consent” clause (see Article II, Section 2). This is not a criminal action, but a confirmation process (circus?), which is political by nature. The question is, “how do we (#WeToo) capitalize on the publicity arising from the Cosby sentencing and the Kavanaugh hearing occurring in the same week?”

      My tummy tells me that the first step is to change the public’s perception that all sex offenses and offenders are the same. This perceptual disaggregation is necessary before the public can see that anyone, including themselves, could receive that scarlet letter.

      Sex offenders range in culpability from the pure psychopaths to someone who urinated in public or sent her boyfriend a selfie when they were 14. The public lumps everyone in the first category, that is, as John Wayne Gacy junior. On the few occasions when I’ve had the gumption to speak with someone, the response has generally been one of surprise; “Wow, I didn’t know that!”

  • #46988 Reply

    kat

    Washington, CEO’s, Entertainment Industry Professionals in the “hot seat” now.
    It all sounds so FAMILIAR, doesn’t it ?

  • #46989 Reply

    Svejk

    I felt this piece was very well written! It hit the target and made its points. I’m sorry to see there were reactions based on politics. From a clearly Constitutional perspective, we are innocent until proven guilty, and the constant moving of goal posts and 4D chess by lawyers representing the alleged victim truly detract from any believeability, as do the last minute affidavits and other sundry legal booby traps.
    If we don’t start making waves soon, and bring this to a head, our plight will only become worse. If we truly unite and stand up and so “no more!” we have a good chance of winning the battle. But what’s it gonna take for everyone to do that. I believe that over 90% of us in this position simply cower in fear. This accounts for the lack of participation. Those who stand up for us as regular citizens often find themselves blacklisted as well. It must STOP!
    tl;dr My father (God bless the old Tyrant. May he Rest in Peace) used to say: “Every politician is rotten from the ass up.” That rings true now more than ever. Everything sexual in nature has been weaponized, and accusers are laughing all the way to the bank! There’s your crass human moral degeneration!
    Illegitimati non carboraundum! In dubio pro reo.
    Svejk

  • #46990 Reply

    Janet Marriott

    When you say “just going off what women say” you reveal your bias against believing women when it comes to reports of sexual assault in any form. Of course women (and male survivors too) wait years to report or do not report at all. Look what they face when they do report. This is not a man who received effective treatment or intervention for either alcoholism or his sexual proclivities but instead counted on class, education and social connections in a world of male privilege to ensure that he would never be held accountable in the same way that people who commit the same acts are held accountable (Once a sex offender always a sex offender)
    There seems to be an invisible line below which the same acts too often result in irrational “forever punishment” while above the same line money, position and male gender too often result in (hysterical?) belief in whatever the person committing the assault says/ whoever they choose to label liar/ blame for the actions they themselves committed, no matter how ridiculous their protestations. The person I feel sorry for is his wife who must sit there, fulfill her role as “nice wife” and smile as he tells the world he was a “virgin” as women he messed over are further humiliated and punished for daring to come forward to “tell” what the ‘virgin’ did to them.
    The irony in all this is that in insisting on their own innocence in the face of reality, they bar themselves from growing up, finding intervention or effective treatment to grow up, grow past troubling sexual proclivities and become a trustworthy adult in an adult world not a forever member of the “Boys will be boys” club.

    • #47011 Reply

      Glen

      Janet,

      I respect what you stated, and to a degree, agree in part, and truly sypathize. Still, we cannot escape the question of timing in this case. 30 years later and one week before confirmation. Meanwhile, Kavanaugh has sat on many cases and decided already as a judge?

      I understand there are many reasons why a victim may not come forward. I do. What many (Perhaps even yourself)may not realize is that many here were victims at one time too…long before they were offenders. The cycle of abuse is real, i assure you. Many here too failed to come foward, and instead made inexplicably stupid, wrong, and hurtful decisions for which they regret and carried forward more hurt. Seems everyone wants to give full understanding why someone might not come forward for decades, but no attempts at understanding how the cycle could continue…But, that’s an aspect that many in the public simply don’t want to hear much less try and understand how it’s possible. That’s not an excuse for offending another, nor in any way justification for causing pain to another human. It’s simply a truth that few want to hear. But if we are ever going to have hope to fix this insanity, both sides are going to have to want to understand how this happens. And, believe it or not we, our families and close ones bleed and hurt just like everyone else.

      The point that I feel we are now, especially in this Kavanaugh situation is no different than the Salem witch trials of the 17th century, where an accusation alone ensures a public bonfire; the registry itself is but the same scarlet letter approach from the very same era of ignorance.

      My issue with the Kavanaugh situation isn’t that I don’t believe Ford has experienced trauma. I actually do. Im just not sure what the origin or cause of, or who is responsible for that trauma. But, the timing of her coming forward is admittingly suspicious to me. Seems to me she doesn’t want him on SCOTUS but has not attepted to file charges with the police in 30 years or contacted anyone on his previous appointments to the bench. For me, it simply reeks of politics…now, I don’t pretend to understand (I want to) it all but the lack of confirmatory evidence, the lack of (and denial by) witnesses she says were present, and my own personal experiences, forbid me from strapping Kavanaugh to the stake and lighting the fire that will end him, his family and their future.

      Accusations can be true, false or partially both. But, how do we know? We just accept them? We nearly did that with the Duke lacrosse team once. Yet, here we are again…we as a society dont seem to really want to learn truth; rather, we prefer to again to strap someone to the stake and strike the match.

    • #47012 Reply

      Carol

      Janet:
      I have worked with many a trauma victim. I endured trauma in the Army, so I respect your position. But you are kind of proving the point of the article. What leads you to assume that Dr. Ford is providing a 100% factually accurate account and that Mr. Kavanaugh is alcoholic and has/had sexual problems in need of intervention? It is primarily emotion, not facts. And this is exactly what drives the prosecution and lifelong punishment of some 50 so-called “sexual offenses.” His binge drinking was rather normative for that era, especially in Catholic schools. Whatever issues you assert Judge Kavanaugh may have had, he clearly got past them decades ago as he became a top performer at Yale and thereafter, going on to become a highly respected jurist. But, his life provides a great example. Had these laws been in existence in 1982, would it be reasonable to destroy this 17 year old’s potential at that point based on an uncorroborated allegation? Even with my suspicions about parts of Dr. Ford’s testimony, all I can say is “I do not know what happened.” I wasn’t there; I have not heard from anyone else who was there.

  • #46993 Reply

    Carol Salacka

    Thank you for this sadly accurate post. I posted a similar message to Kavanaugh’s Facebook page a day or two ago asking him to remember how this feels and to consider that this is, in part, the result of 20 plus years of increasingly onerous laws about all manner of sexual behavior. The emotional intensity feels similar to a lynch mob and I am sure Kavanaugh and his entire family are now seriously traumatized. I posted to my PARSOL board members that we must take this opportunity to contact our state representatives to ask how they feel about this process. I wrote to at least 5 senators about the science of memory, including long ago and recovered memories. As you correctly said, none of us can know the facts. Now anyone who doesn’t say “I believe her/them” is attacked as being against women or is denying that these things happen?? This hysteria should frighten the daylights out of everyone. This is the Me2 movement gone out of control with “news” casters mentioning Cosby and Kavanaugh in the same sentence. It feels sickening to me. Who among us is safe? There are many ways to assess the veracity of claims. These latest accusations (I was 20 and attended these high school gang rape parties ten times where the punch was spiked to make women/girls vulnerable (insinuating they didn’t know it had alcohol in it) and I was eventually ganged raped and no one ever said a word ever to the police or anyone; but Ford was in the house so he should be blamed, seems incredulous. Her refusal to talk to any committee members or testify is telling. This is horrible, but we can make it a teachable moment for our lawmakers.

    • #47008 Reply

      Glen

      Well said Carol. You nailed it.

    • #47075 Reply

      Ed

      Carol, perhaps it is time for a #WeToo movement. We, those on the registry, their families, and their communities are victimized by hysterical sex offense laws. Not only are offenders incarcerated for unnecessarily long periods of time, they are sentenced to irrationally long (5 years to life) periods of supervised release, and similarly extreme periods on the registry.

      Such a movement will require offenders and registrants to be willing to “come out of the closet,” to attempt rational discussions on the subject. The public has been rendered ignorant and terrorized by propaganda from politicians and others who gain from maintaining fear and loathing. When, just yesterday, I mentioned to a neighbor that, of all genres of criminals, sex offenders were the LEAST likely to re-offend (DOJ says 5.3%), he said he’d heard they were the most likely.

      By being vocal enough, and public enough, we just might be able to have our “Stonewall” moment. I have intentionally used comparisons to the gay rights movement. They were vilified, incarcerated, physically assaulted, estranged from friends and family, lost jobs, were blacklisted, and marginalized. Sound familiar?

  • #47007 Reply

    Glen

    So…I just watched Dr. Fords testimony before the SJC. My take on it is, she feels something tragic happened to her and Kavanaugh was the “100%” primary perpetrator.

    Yet, a girlfriend of hers that Dr Ford stated was present at the gathering states that she was not at the gathering and she does not even know Kavanaugh. Again, what we are left with is an, admittingly heartbreaking, accusation. There is at this time no physical evidence, no evidence of exactly when this may have occured, no corrobating witness – in fact the witnesses Dr Ford states were present either state no such thing happpened, or that they weren’t even there and do not even know Kavanaugh…

    Yet, still…for many there is the presumption Kavanaugh sexually assaulted Dr Ford when she was 15. I truley hate it for anyone who has ever been sexually assaulted, but if we are going to execute another humans reputation for life, or subject them to imprisonment, justice should require convincing evidence beyond a reasonable doubt…not, “I just think he’s guilty because she says so”. Before I join the bandwagon to destroy this man’s life, I need some evidence it’s warranted. Call me crazy…Truth is, I don’t even like Kavanaugh as a potential SCOTUS judge because I feel he has shown he typically sides with government rather than people, and I don’t think he will be sypathetic to our cause. But, what if he is truley innocent?

    What If the accusation against Kavanaugh were instead, for example, murder?…would we then give him the presumption of innocent until proven guilty? Or would we convict based soley on an uncorrobarated – in fact disputed by many-accusation only? Why is this different? Yet, the consequences are not so different.

    ” Its a hell of a thing, killing a man. You take away everything he’s got and everything he’s ever gonna have.”
    -Unforgiven

    • #47021 Reply

      Seth Hodges

      @Glen Actually she said she doesn’t recall being at the gathering. Why would she? Nothing significant happened to her. She wasn’t pushed into a bedroom and pinned on her back.

      • #47025 Reply

        Glen

        Seth, I’ll concede that point. But didn’t she also state she doesn’t know Kavanaugh?

        Seth, I’m not saying it didn’t happen. What I’m saying is there is a discrepancy with a potential witness Dr Ford specifically named-whom Dr. Ford states in her recollection was present at the gathering . Meanwhile that person states she wasnt present and further…doesn’t even know Kavanaugh. If you agree that’s we know at this time, what we seem to be left with at this hearing is an accusation from Dr Ford stating Kavanaugh sexually assaulted her, and Judge Kavanaugh stating he didnt.

        Admittingly, both-from my view-have offered emotional testimony…but, what are we to do with this? Destroy a man’s life, career, family etc? At the same time, I also understand we need to be sensitive to Dr. Ford as well….

        • #47034 Reply

          Seth Hodges

          @Glen
          Let’s not lose site of what this is. It is not a trial. Kavanaugh is not being charged with any offense and will not be. He is not going to be placed on the registry. This is a confirmation hearing for a seat on the United States Supreme Court; the highest court in the land. The issue isn’t so much that the offenses may had happened, as that he may be lying to the American people about it.
          Dr. Ford has nothing to gain by coming forward, but much hardship to face in doing so. For a position this prestigious a full investigation is warranted. My fight is for fact based and reasonable laws, and abolishing the registry. If Kavanaugh is guilty of sexual assault, I believe he should be held accountable.

        • #47046 Reply

          Glen

          Seth,

          I understand this isn’t a trial. The fact that there hasn’t been one, muchless police involved at all- no report filed, etc – is one reason this bothers me in particular. I don’t know what happened to Mrs. Ford. I don’t know of Kavanaugh is guilty, but I’m going to give him the benefit of doubt until evidence or corraborating testimony is presented. I refuse to assume guilt based on an unproven accusation that could imprison another human or destroy their career. Whether this be a trial, or a well publicized job interview, I’m just not going to do that.

          Frankly, I’m no fan of Kavanaugh. I would prefer a different nominee. But, the constitution gives the president the power to nominate; it’s not my choice.

          I would support a police investigation and i feel Dr. Ford should request one at this point. And, I would support a delay of Kavanaugh’s confirmation while an investigation was being conducted. If police find evidence of a crime, he should be withdrawn and prosecuted. If not, he should immediately be confirmed. It amazes me still at this point, that this isn’t happening. Dr Ford is willing to go before the nation to accuse Judge Kavanaugh but hasnt filed a police report?

          Instead, some on the SJC are urging Kavanaugh to request the investigation. Such a request is the very essence of guilty until proven innocent. Can you imagine? You’ve been accused of a crime, and you’re being asked to contact LE yourself, to investigate you to prove your innocence? Who does that, and isnt that onus still on the alleged victim?

          The whole thing reeks of partisan politics in my view. I’m aware of the Metoo movement and the believe survivors motto. But, I don’t agree with, nor am I going to go along with that blanket belief in every case. Im sorry, but I just dont and wont. As unpopluar as my feeling on tgat may be right now, I realize there are men and women who do evil things and should be punished. But I also know there are vindictive men and women who falsely accuse (Duke Lacrosse?). I respect your opinion Seth and agree in part but I’m affraid we just have to disagree on this point.

          Regardless, I do sympathize with Dr Ford if her allegation is true, but I’ve yet to see evidence or anyone come forward to say there was even the opportunity. On the contrary, even her friend can’t recall and further states she doesn’t know Kavanaugh. I understand it’s been almost 4 decades and her friend may simply just not remember. I get that too. But ultimately, unless something changes, I have no way to know what happened or if Kavanaugh is to blame. She says yes; he and those supposedly present at the gathering say no. Trial, or job interview….at this point, Kavanaugh moves forward.

        • #47051 Reply

          Seth Hodges

          Dr. Ford did request an investigation several times. She also understands that lying to the FBI is crime. When Cory Booker asked Kavanaugh if he too would welcome an investigation, Kavanaugh deflected the question several times and never gave a straight answer.

          Dr. Ford came forward amid all the backlash she and her family are going to receive from rightwingers. She literally has nothing to gain from this. Kavanaugh is going to be just fine. He has tons of connections, and lots of money. Not getting a seat on the Supreme Court is hardly ruining his life or even his career. At the most it’s a bruise to his ego. That doesn’t elicit pity from me, no matter how much he tries to come off as a victim.

          The smartest thing Kavanaugh could do is acknowledge any wrongdoing and apologize for any harm he has caused. Unfortunately he is too arrogant and self-centered to do that.

          You are correct, it is the President’s constitutional duty to nominate Supreme Court justices, and it’s the Senate’s duty to fully vet that nominee,  or it was until Senate Republicans refused to even consider Merrick Garland after Obama nominated him, and the court had to function with only eight justices for a year.

        • #47067 Reply

          Glen

          Seth, I think we can agree that further investigation would benefit both sides given their positions. Again, I don’t know what happened. But one way to be sure it isn’t political only, might be that both sides agree if after an investigation, no evidence or corraboration of Kavanaugh assaulting Dr Ford is found, then both sides agree to confirm him. If, however, evidence of guilt is found, he is withdrawn and hopefully prosecuted and another Republican chosen nominee would take his place. Seems, if this is truly about the allegations it would be a reasonable compromise.

          But, I suspect neither side is really interested in such a compromise. Many on the left frankly just do not want him on the bench no matter what. And, many on the right want him on the bench no matter what. As for me, I would prefer a different candidate. But, seems if people really cared about the truth, a deal could easily be reached.

        • #47071 Reply

          Seth Hodges

          I completely agree with all that. Unfortunately, for them it’s not about finding the truth.
          For the Democrats, it’s about making the Republicans look bad before the midterm election in four weeks. That’s why Sen. Feinstein sat on this information for two months. Well played by her.
          For the Republicans, it’s about gaining control over the court before they lose control over Congress. If it was earlier in the year, I have no doubt they would deny Kavanagh and wait for the next nominee. But, because it’s so late in the year, they are desperate to push this nominee through before the next congress takes over in January.

        • #47073 Reply

          Glen

          Ha…looks like Sen. FLake surprised me.

  • #47009 Reply

    Timothy

    @Ford, Kananaugh Senate committee meeting with prosecutor.

    Grandstanding at its finest. Whatever it takes to appear concerned about the welfare and well-being of a nation. Whatever it takes to shake off the SWAMP label slapped upon D.C. by THE DON.
    Ms. Ford asked for anonymity in her letter to Feinstein, but did she get a modicum of decency for her wishes? NO!
    We have become an ugly and distracted people. There are only two possible outcomes,1) Approval 2) Disapproval for the court seat.

    • #47304 Reply

      Timothy

      Approval!
      But the winner is the ultra-right. I suspect absolutely zero headway toward ending sexual aggression was made. Crying wolf has drawbacks, and Congress got to appear concerned. The press ate it up and IMHO abetted the illusion to maintain political security. Just plain ugly.

  • #47010 Reply

    Lorraine

    Sandy, I truly wish I could write as eloquently as you. Every word you write is what I (and probably most) think about. Our society as a whole is on a massive witch hunt. How do you stop an entire country from banning together to destroy as many people as they can? It IS mass hysteria. The devil is certainly at work here. Your writings are one of the best ways to help alleviate so much incorrect information. With words of faith, hope, trust in ourselves, following what we believe and know to be real and true have to be our foundation. With that said, hopefully we can guide the general public and public leaders to see the terrible harm that is being done to a huge number of human beings. God bless you for all you do.
    Lorraine

    • #47045 Reply
      Sandy Rozek
      Sandy Rozek
      Admin

      Wow, Lorraine, thank you; you do me great honor.

      • #47092 Reply

        Glen

        Seriously Sandy, both you and Robin did an outstanding job on this piece. Anyway possible we could send copys to legislators in DC? This article begs to be seen by the nation.

  • #47013 Reply

    d

    If He gets on the supreme court now this will be in our favor for sure when the registration constitutionality question gets to the supreme court again.

    • #47023 Reply

      Seth Hodges

      So you think a narcissist self-serving entitled rich boy who is a tough on crime conservative is going to have a heart for registrants? Don’t you think more likely he will want to prove that he is not one of us by going against us every chance he gets?

      • #47026 Reply

        Glen

        I tend to agree with you Seth. I’m not sure we gain any future support with Kavanaugh.

        Interesting point…also, the Clarence Thomas and Anita Hill hearing. I’ll have to look back and see his rulings and comments regarding the registry.

      • #47137 Reply

        d

        I think when cases come before this man and the evidence is only someone else’s word that he will shoot it down. I think that he will follow the constitution to the letter which would benefit us as well. They have to twist the constitution around to do any of the things they have been doing to RSOs. So… yes I think we need more constitutional judges in office and one that now knows first hand how the witch hunt works will be better for us in the long run. Being tough on crime has nothing to do with people who have severed their time. Being rich and narcissistic is just your opinion of his character. You probably think the way he dresses is a factor too LOL!

    • #47027 Reply

      Linda

      I am not attempting to determine which side is being truthful here. However, I do expect that Dr. Ford felt that a lifetime appointment to the Supreme Court required her to step forward with her story. And, Judge Kavanaugh is defending himself as any man claiming innocence would. We can empathize with both sides and certainly we can carry our own personal prejudices into the fray. I think the stakes are high enough to warrant a more thoughtful period of investigation here. I do not agree that if Judge Kavanaugh is confirmed, he may be more sympathetic to the plight of registrants. He is not one of “us” and is unlikely to feel any kinship as someone unfairly brought into this ugly reality.
      The Partisanship in Washington is at a fever pitch, each side putting their agenda forward as the citizens walk the middle ground everyday next to those that hold opposing views. We learned how to work together to achieve fairness to all in our communities. We need to elect those that have demonstrated the same ability. And we need to appoint judges that do not sit in an ivory tower insulated from real life as we know it. It isn’t always pretty out here. People can change but only if they recognize the need for change.

  • #47032 Reply

    Saddles

    Seems everybody is looking for the benefits in this sorted ordeal that is being presented with the kavanaugh issue. Sure I hope it helps a lot of those on this appauling registry we all are going thru and one should look on the bright side. Sure this whole govermental thing is sickening.

    Some women would rather forget their sexual behavior and some women would rather stand up for this high steaks ordeal. One lady said this is like a scarlet letter, Carla says it feels similar to a lynching mob. Even janet saysot feels a it bias against believing women and Cricket up there says its about time. I guess Hell has no furry than a woman scorned. There is only one thing I can see in all this.. The rape or attempt is gonna be their no matter what.

    Sure women can play the little miss prissy pants in high school but rape can come in many forms and some don’t even realize it until their morrning after pill gets in-sinc with their brain. While this ordeal with this government thing is like a hurricane that hit the USA it does have its meaning. I’m not saying this is the way to go about it after 20 yrs or so but it tells us all a bit about people. Now whether people have pre-material sex or what thats their business and they have to deal with their own conscious while putting a smile on their face at the same time.

    In everything one should look for the good in others instead of the bad and what man doesn’t want to have the company of a woman and if it gets too out of line this is what can happen. Who is guilty the one that didn’t speak up or the one that finely spoke up

  • #47033 Reply

    Donna

    In agreement with you d. After knowing first hand how these cases play out, there is no doubt he will be able to find the registry unconstitutional. We could go on and on with this, maybe NARSOL can schedule a call when its concluded.

  • #47076 Reply

    Saddles

    Who cares about people playing a footsy game of political hop scotch. Isn’t all this about people and justice. Sure this woman was hurt and also this man. Isn’t human digitny worth anything anymore? Isn’t that what NARSOL is all about bringing back a bit of dignity to the people and also helping others. I am ashamed of America to even go this far with this history of two people and over what some political party wants to control some controling factor in this so called sociaty of moral ethics and political justice. All this goes to show you how people get along today. Dog eat dog. I really wonder who cares about the rape?

    One never thinks about the woman that was hurt or ashamed, enbarrssed or should we all just say our peace and go home and say their are no winners. Well in a physical sex ordeal their are no winners only shame. I wonder were consenting adults come in. Look at all of us on here. Is this one big happy family or grass roots effort to get some court understanding of American justice, or to be heard, or have a voice, for some of this dumb antics that are overshaddowed by those with these dumb antics of American Government. Should we all say that hoodwinking and sabotage or conspiring the key to law and justice today in a lot of these internet confidence games. Should we all cry rape both men and woman if thats the case.

    Sure I’m sure we are all pretty pissed about the whole registry ordeal. Glen is pissed, Robin’s pissed, the woman are pissed, even Sandy is pissed I’m sure, not to mentioned parents are pissed plus most all that comment on here are pissed. Some of us didn’t even have physical encounters and some did. Did we all lose in this whole ordeal. Yes, some lost jobs over this and are sort of discriminated with a black stain over their chest.

    Are all these parlor tricks that government or law enforcement uses to defraud others in this political confidence game of internet justice or should one have to see how controling factors play out on screen where the democrats and republicians want to be overall the best for one’s interest. I would guess one is a democrat they are number one and if your a republican your even greater in America today. I wonder who thinks today in America Justice or is the nation as a whole going downhill and setting up people in the best interest of the people Were is the warning signs or is playing the sex offender game is better than the dating game.

  • #47091 Reply

    Glen

    The accusations made against Judge Kavanaugh regarding sexual assault are, if true, alarming. If the allegations are true, prosecution and punishment are warranted. As, one commenter here noted, this isn’t a trial; this is a job interview. While technically true, this is a nationally televised job interview that doesn’t simply come with the possibility of being turned down by a potential employer. In addition, questions being asked of the potential employee are questions that are not typically asked employers. The answers provided by this potential emploee (Kavanaugh) are subject to criminal prosecution. This job interview also comes with serious-perhaps life long -consequences for the potential employee, their reputation, their legacy, their livlihood, their family, and perhaps even the potential employee’s freedom. It’s not a typical job interview, nor is it a typical job. It’s a secured lifelong appointment unless later impeached.

    Allegations of sexual assault occuring almost 4 decades ago have been made against Judge Kavanaugh. The allegations are criminal. So far, however, these are still allegations…so far, just unproven accusations. No witnesses yet have been interviewed that can corroborate the allegation, nor has any direct evidence been presented. Perhaps, those may arrive with the latest presidential ordered FBI investigation.

    This situation begs the question, “Who has the burden of proof?” Until recently, the burden of proof has always been the accusers responsibilty – or by their legal representative. By evidence of their motto, “Believe Survivors”, the Metoo movement suggests that we no longer use the same element of due process when it comes to the rights of the accused; not for all acusations, but only when an allegation of a sex offense is made against another person. They argue that it takes extrordinary courage for a person to come forward and make such a allegation. No doubt, that’s true. And, that courage should be taken as confirmation of truth. On the surface, that makes sense. But, the problem with submitting to that line of thinking also throws out the possibility of false accusations. And, false accussations, with regard to even sex offenses, happen.

    A historic case occured in 2006, in which several members of the Duke Lacrosse case were indcited for rape. It was a national story, fanned and flamed by the media, an unethical prosecuter, and a lying accuser which resulted in mass rushes to judgement by the public. Fortunately, the truth of that case came to light, but not before innocent people, their reputations, their families and their futures were impacted.

    Sex crimes are terrible. Victims of sex crimes often state it can have lifelong affects. They should be encouraged to come forward, and offenders should be punished. However, it is important to both real victims and innocent people that the onus of the burden of proof remain the responsibility of the accuser. We already have too many innocent people who have served long sentences for crimes later we found they did not commit; and, those happened all under the notion of innocent until proven guilty. Yet, we read about these kind of travestys of justice almost everyday.

    The burden of proof shifts only to the accused when a legitamate degree of evidence is presented against the accused. We cannot afford to go back to the method used in Salem of accusing witches, who were unable to prove they werent witches..no matter what the allegation may be.

    We must refrain from rushes to judgement based on accusations alone. The burden of proof must remain with the accuser, and we still must be morally bound to contunue giving the accused the presumption of innocence until evidence to the contrary is presented. Otherwise we risk minimizing real victims, unjustly jeapardize the reputation and freedom of innocent people, and further harm our already imperfect system of justice.

    Allegations of sexual assault should be taken seriously. Just as offenders should be punished, so should false accusers equally. I’m sorry, as it may be unpopluar under the current climate, and it may seem insensitive to the current metoo movement and their supporters, but we need more than allegations if we are going justifiably prosecute and punish – while still being fair to real victims and innocent people.

  • #47093 Reply

    Obvious answers

    well on the bright side …Hopefully when he gets confirmed he will have a new opinion on the registry and the abuse of the rule of law that has been allowed. I hope every supreme court nomination gets a taste of false accusations and I could only wish every member of congress that used tax money to cover their sexual crimes gets to spend time in prison and joins the sex offender registry’s.. ONLY when all of these clowns who have created this have had an opportunity to taste it will they decide it is not a good idea..
    This is a beautiful time.

  • #47087 Reply

    WearethePeople

    So who is footing the bills for this parade?????

  • #47114 Reply

    Ed

    I just heard on the news that the White House gave the FBI a list of persons it was allowed to interview in the Kavanaugh investigation. Huh? Is it cynical of me to say that I smell a rat?

  • #47139 Reply

    Saddles

    One last thing I would like to say about these events or this ordeal from everyone’s vantage point is that there is a reason for all season One has justice gone by the wayside to prove in this sex type ordeal brought by congress and those accusers. You have women wanting to stand up, you have selfish government on both sides of the playing fields. So is true justice in the minds of those accused or the accusers? What does that tell one about libertry today that plea deals are ok and just keep ones mouth shut as that is the way to victory. Its almost like who’s raping someone in the courtroom or should we all just murder true justice. I wonder who talks about forgiveness in this prize fight for honor and justice today in one’s sex offender battle.

  • #47180 Reply

    Saddles

    A lot of these comments are good, I believe we all can see the woman’s point in all this plus some of the men get hoodwinked in this. Even Ed said I smell a rat Is our justice system becoming so preverted that they assume the role of teenage hookers on an internet and give or snag one in this bicurious justice if one takes the bate. Talk about the bible and honor or truth and justice in today’s America. And all over this supreme court nominee and this hijinks. So where is justice today. This is a good move for NARSOL and the people on the registry to voice their opinion.

  • #47172 Reply

    d

    Why are false allegations not a crime? This country will never be free until false allegations are a punishable crime.

    • #47184 Reply
      Fred
      Fred
      Admin

      Filing a false police report, lying to the FBI and committing perjury are all punishable crimes.

  • #47226 Reply

    Saddles

    Fred, hate to chime in again but, this ordeal that is playing out today in America with this judlcial hearing with this woman can be looked at as a thief on the cross type senairo or proceding, just like some of this sex offender issues if you would like to look at it that way. Its not whats on the outside but whats from the heart so who’s the thief today, Man or justice? Remember untill proven guilty.

  • #47268 Reply

    Richard

    I would think, this would be a good time to lobby Congress. To start putting statute limitations on accusations. I understand that some victims wont speak out, for years but there should be a statute to keep these kinda of accusations from ruining lives. Congress, should take a close look now , especially at the stigma, that a simple accusation of sexual assault can do to destroy ones creditably. Giving a life of stigma and guilty rulings from juries, as well as prosecutors, neighbors, colleagues, anyone that hears the statement against the accused. Then after prison you are marked for life, with the registry and all the restrictions ever after. I just believe if enough noise is made about this now, there may be hope getting constitutional reform!

  • #47375 Reply

    Obvious answers

    Pretty much every rationale non-troll called this scenerio to a tee… Does not matter who was nominated thier were three women to make sexual allegations.could have nominated a nuetered saint bernard and the cnn dolls would have been milking fake tears.. It is the new norm..expect it… Why earn money when gofudgeme drops a mill a week.. Its better then prostitution and requires less work and no evidence. The 35 year old “i dont remember anything” he/she/it raped me so please fill my gofundme and sign my book deal is the New normal. Was it real?… Give it a break already.. 35 years later, i dont remember anything, im acsusing a man that has been in the public eye for forever, all my witnesses say im a pathological liar, i completly bypass due process and the criminal justice system..yea its as real as that ocean front property your selling in arizona..

  • #47457 Reply

    Saddles

    I guess a thief needs an explination in any type of hearing judicial or civil . The women weren’t believed, the man or supreme court judge nonimee wasn’t believed of being a lush even though his roomate and people associated with him testified to his character, but leave it up to the powers, if one wants to call darkness that. One wonders who’s the thief and who’s the character assassin for truth today.

    So who is a thief today in a sex offender ordeal, the one that plays the harlot role. or the one that is the harlot in government today. So if anything who draws true principals in todays government. Should we all look on the outside or inside of man for this shameful judicial evalutation hearing or is whole thing a lesson in true understanding. Could it be that none of us are squeeky clean except government power.

    Narsol this is a big step and I’m glad all this came out in this governmental way. I wonder who is pervereted and who’s the pervert today or do principals even matter. Press on.

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