Lifetime sex offender registration: NOT “light punishment”

Author Dr. Marty Klein . . . There’s currently a campaign to recall a Superior Court judge in my county.

Judge Aaron Persky presided over the 2016 trial of Stanford student Brock Turner, who was ultimately convicted of digitally penetrating an unconscious woman on campus.

With Turner a young first-timer with no previous police record, the Probation Department recommended a sentence of six months in jail and three years’ probation, focused on rehabilitation. As is typical, the judge followed this recommendation. California law also requires that Turner register as a sex offender for the rest of his life—an absolutely crucial factor that Recall proponents don’t discuss.

Many people are very upset about the sentence, thinking it way too light. Six months in jail for raping an unconscious young woman! (Again, ignoring the lifetime sex offender registration.) Outraged, hundreds of thousands of people—most of whom know nothing about the case beyond sensational headlines—want to punish the judge by revoking his job.

That is, they want to undermine judicial independence. Perhaps they misunderstand a judge’s actual mandate. It is NOT to reflect community values, and it is NOT to satisfy the bloodlust OR the sympathy of the community in a given case. No, that’s how it works in places like Russia, Iran, and Egypt, where judges implement community values (as dictated by the government) rather than the law.

A judge’s sworn job is to understand the law and apply it impartially, using the accepted tools of the judicial profession—including knowing and applying precedents, managing conflicting interests in the courtroom, being sensitive to ethical issues, and sifting through the recommendations of various officials within the justice system.

Regardless of how one feels about Judge Persky’s sentencing decision in this case, revoking his job (and destroying his career) undermines the effectiveness and impartiality of every judge in every case. Judges are human; after this recall election, which judge will NOT look over her or his shoulder when making complicated judicial decisions?

As dean of the law school at University of California Berkeley Erwin Chemerinsky says, “Justice, and all of us, will suffer when judges base their decisions on what will satisfy the voters.”

The California Commission on Judicial Performance has cleared Judge Persky of misconduct or bias. Open letters supporting Persky have been signed by 20 retired judges and almost 100 law professors across California. And several County Bar Associations (those are lawyers, not judges) have voted to defend Persky, saying that his removal would be a “threat to judicial independence.”

This Recall election isn’t about whether Aaron Persky deserves to be a judge. It’s about whether the community deserves judges who are independent. The separation of the judiciary from both government and popular opinion is a brilliant innovation of our American system, and we must protect it no matter how painful it feels on a given day.

Even legal system professionals who disagree with Turner’s sentence are against the recall campaign. “Most of the judges in California would have done the same thing as Judge Persky,” says District Attorney Jeffrey Rosen—whose office prosecuted Turner and recommended a six-year prison sentence after his conviction. “I do not believe he should be removed from his judgeship.

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In addition to his jail sentence, Brock Turner is now required to register as a sex offender for the rest of his life—some 40, 50, 60, or 70 years.

People dissatisfied with Turner’s “light” punishment apparently know very little about what lifetime sex offender registration means. These convicts face rampant, LEGAL discrimination in jobs, housing, education, and healthcare. They can’t own homes, get school loans, enter most professions, get a basic security clearance, or get police protection. With their passports stamped “registered sex offender,” they’ll be denied entry into virtually any other country on earth.

With their name and address public information—FOR LIFE—there is no such thing as paying a debt to society and living quietly. If a registered sex offender lives with his mother and a church is built next door, he has to move. Murderers literally face fewer obstacles once they leave jail.

As a lifetime registered sex offender, Brock Turner’s life is pretty much over. Months in jail, years in jail—as awful as that is, it’s most certainly LESS awful than being a registered sex offender for life. Do those criticizing Judge Persky’s decision understand or even care about this? Or do they just want a pound of flesh? That’s an ugly and dangerous position from which to sanctimoniously demand public policy.

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The Recall election campaign is underway, with rallies, legal maneuvering, and dueling letters to newspapers and websites.

Of course, that’s how democracy works. But there’s a disturbing note to it: people who oppose the recall are being painted as pro-rape. That is, Recall supporters are making this election a referendum on rape, sexual harassment, domestic violence, and women’s rights in general. They see the actual judge and this actual situation as a convenient archetype rather than parts of real life.

For example, Recall campaign leader (and victim family friend) Professor Michele Dauber, says “This historic [Recall] campaign is part of a national social movement to end impunity for athletes and other privileged perpetrators of sexual assault and violence against women.” She stresses the recall campaign is focused specifically on ensuring that “white, privileged men” are held accountable.

According to The New York Times, the case is being described as “symbolizing the barriers to justice often faced by women and assault victims in the courts.” But this case is more accurately described as a triumph for the justice system: even though unconscious, the woman was rescued by passersby, and the perpetrator was quickly arrested, quickly tried, quickly convicted, and quickly sentenced. And is now required to register as a sex offender for life.

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Hanging Brock Turner—or making sure he rots in jail until he dies—will not make our planet safer. Getting rid of Judge Aaron Persky will not make anyone safer. (In fact, by eliminating judicial discretion, it will disproportionately harm poor people and people of color.)

Oversimplifying this situation as black and white—either you’re for hanging Turner or you trivialize rape—will not make anyone safer. It will instead keep the progressive movement divided, and discourage men and women from working together to change society.

Recall supporters who can’t make a decent argument call anyone with whom they disagree a rape apologist, or accuse others of being brainwashed by the patriarchy, or say their privilege prevents them from thinking clearly. This doesn’t make a Recall supporter right, or even smart. It just makes him or her a bully.

And by pretending that lifetime sex offender registration is a light sentence or a trivial detail, we continue to dehumanize those whose lives are ruined by it. While three years in prison may feel like a lifetime, it’s absolutely nothing in comparison to spending an actual lifetime as a registered sex offender.

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      Reinhold Schlieper

      I agree with the article. Any sentence should not be a lifetime sentence, particularly not for sex offenders where the recidivism rate is tiny. Sweden, e.g., forbids a registry for any offenders. The view is that people deserve an opportunity to rebuild their lives.

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      Kathy saine

      I do not believe there should be a registery period ! If they keep the registery, there should be one for every type of crime commited. Its not fair for people who have already been punished, to receive a lifetime punilifetime punishment on top of incarceration. If they keep the registery for Sex offenders, they need one for murderers, assaults, embezzlers, the list goes on. I am more afraid of a murderer than I am a sex offender. Sex offenders are not all on the same level. They should be treated individually and given a second chance like anyone else. The judges need to pay attention and take into consideration what the Pshchological report says about the person and NOT over sentence them merely because they can !

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        misdemeanor offender

        Kathy,

        You are absolutely correct that there shouldn’t be a sex offense registry. I would argue that if a registry is supposedly in the public interest of public safety then why isn’t the ‘terror do not fly’ list not public or published? Afterall the greatest issue of vigilance and circumspection is to quickly identify threats to the public. Instead, sex offender registries supposedly serve the purpose that sexual issues are far more important than issues of terror and mass destruction.

        Additionally, the media has its hands in the proverbial pie. If there is a sex offender that violates conditions of the registry then be ready for an exclusive segment on “hidden dangers in your neighborhood.” It is nothing more than fear-based rhetoric and the equivalency of a modern-day Nazi-style propaganda machine that carries many similarities on how to identify a sex offender, force them into ghettos, take away abilities to be a part of society, and strip away basic human rights long after the trial has ended.

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          Michael Kuehl

          Women teachers who have sex with young men under statutory age -even a single act of coitus or fellatio or “sexual contact” -are forced to register for life as uniquely deviant and dangerous criminals albeit they’ve never committed a violent or other mala in se crime in their lives and never will and are not “threat to society” or to anyone nor even a “danger” to “re-offend” by having sex with another biological man under statutory age. Conversely, myriads of low-IQ brutes and savages with histories of crime and violence beginning at age 13 or 14 who’ve committed dozens of violent and other mala in se crimes but have never been convicted of a sexual offense don’t have to register for life or even a day as uniquely deviant and dangerous criminals. I suggest readers visit my website, google free Abigail Simon, and read my post on the recidivism rates of sex offenders, particularly those of women who have affairs and trysts with young men under statutory age.

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        WC_TN

        Not only should there be a registry for every single crime in the book, there should be a commensurate number of life-crippling restrictions appropriate for each crime. Murderers can’t live within 1500 feet of another human being; can’t ever tell when he or she might get the urge to kill again!

        A bank robber can never go to the bank again or have any sort of bank account.

        Drug offenders should not be allowed to live within 1500 feet of any pharmacy and cannot possess any products from a pharmacy.

        Those who commit phone fraud can never again live within 1500 feet of anyone who possesses a telephone and can never use one to make or receive phone calls ever again.

        Those who commit mail fraud can’t live within 1500 feet of any post office or any other business involved in the mailing or shipping of packages. They can never send or receive mail.

        See how asinine it can get?

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          allie

          I love what you wrote. You are so right and I totally agree with every thing you said. I’d rather live next door to a sex offender than a drug dealer or murderer any day. A drug dealer might try to get my children hooked on drugs and a murderer might kill my whole family. An arsonist might burn my house to the ground with my family in it. So many reasons why it’s not right to put people on a registry for sex offences and nothing else. When will it ever end? Why don’t people wake up and to the right thing and abolish the registry and stop destroying the lives of good people and their families.

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            WC_TN

            Allie, thanks for your support of my comment. I’d be willing to bet the farm that (1) No politicians would even sponsor such legislation and (2) the courts would not uphold such additional registries or restrictions. They would claim we’re a unique type of offender and only we warrant such tight restrictions and close supervision. They’d rationalize and mealy-mouth their way around doing that.

            I don’t think that even child molesters should have to register for life; in fact, not at all. The registry does nothing to protect little kids and teens from sexual abuse and exploitation. Most offenses committed against kids are perpetrated by those the child and the child’s parents know, trust, and like/love. It’s social proximity and not geographical proximity. An overwhelming majority of newly reported/prosecuted cases of child molestation are committed by someone with no prior history as a sex offender. Most don’t have a criminal record of any kind which means they’re not on Nanny Big Government’s registry.

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      Michael Miller

      I can relate to this article because I am on lifetime registration as well. I was under the influence of Alcohol at the time of my “Lewd act” conviction and although I agree it is not a valid excuse for what I did, it was a mistake, a poor judgement call while intoxicated. For me it will not be that long on the Registry since I am now already in my mid 60’s, a time when I should be celebrating life, being retired and enjoying all I worked hard for. But a mistake in judgement 10 years ago ended that. No problems prior to my conviction, worked with kids all my life with no problems what so ever. Then one night while drunk some one said blow me (Im Gay) and I said ok. turns out the guy was 16. I had no idea, I was wasted.

      In 8 months I will be off of probation(5 years) and a little more free to move about but with every state having different laws, its still going to be tough traveling like I had planned.I love camping and bought a camper so that I can travel and see the US. Now I will have to secure an Attorney to check prior to leaving to make sure that I do not get in trouble by violating some random states law while traveling though.

      It would have been better had I murdered someone, or sold drugs to minors or been a domestic abuser, at least once my jail time and probation were over I could get back to a semi normal life. But not a sex offender or as I like to be called a Registered Citizen. Unlike most Registered Citizens I am retired so work is not a problem and I rent a house from Family. So I am better off than most.

      I wish the public could see how the registry affect people, families and households. I cant drive for Uber, I can have a Facebook account, I can even have a Match.com account. All of these have nothing to do with being on Probation. Each of these things are restricted by the organizations them selves. I am no more of a threat than anyone else and statistics prove that but lawmakers bend the truth so that fear is instilled in people.

      I wish the guy luck, keep the faith, keep going and dont let anyone or anything get you down!

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      Forrest Skaine

      The piece of not being able to get a home, school loans, enter most professions, get police protection varies from state to state and local situations. I guess I am having a difficult time absorbed such a blanket statement. I am always grateful for those who fight for us who are on lifetime registration and I mean absolutely no disrespect to Marty Klein. I comment because I would like to know how Marty Klein plans to execute the stifling regulations that Marty mentioned, and the ones he did not mention, like social status, working at a place where everyone is under the awareness of my offense and the stigma and creating unnecessary fear. There is so much more but it has been discussed in previous forums. Thank you so much NARSOL for this forum.

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      Wearethepeople

      The Registry is so much like what was going on prior to the 70’s with African Americans. Segregation, having to live in a certain area, just not having the same privileges as the whites. This effected their Jobs, Education, Housing and Travel. It was Martin Luther King and Malcolm X who changed History for the this segregated group of people. It also occurred in the 90’s with Aids, and the men that were gay and infected by a Disease called HIV that was not understood. I think there is Hope, that someday the many that are put on this list everyday, will stand up with there families and say, this is wrong. I question everyday how is this right???

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      Phys Ed

      Americans love their witch hunts and autos-de-fe. I have seen quite a few just in my own lifetime. Not long after my birth, they came for the Japanese American citizen and destroyed their lives and businesses. Then they came for supposed Communists in Hollywood and New York and destroyed the lives and careers of many prominent show business names. Then they came for the dope dealers. I knew people in New York City who were sentenced to twenty years in prison for possession of an ounce of marijuana. Now it’s legal in three states. Now they come after the “sex offenders” for metaphorical burning at the stake. Most of the people on the registry were arrested for the newly minted crime of curiosity and looking at pictures involving underage women having sex. That happened because Congress and the SCOTUS ignored completely the First and Fourth Amendments of the Constitution. Winston Churchill once said that “Americans will always do the right thing; but only after they have tried all the wrong ways first.” How right he was…

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      freedomwriter

      Try being on the list for life for a MISDEMEANOR that didn’t involve a minor or a child. The effects 100% ruined life, joy, jobs, relationships, and possibilities. Nary a felony in my life.

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      Jason

      I live in Michigan.

      When I was convicted and sentenced I was told I would be on the list for 25 years. Michigan law makers changed the laws in 2006 and 2011 so I now have to register for the rest of my life.

      Recent court cases have successfully proved that retroactively forcing those already sentenced to a lifetime of registering to be unconstitutional. I can only hope that the rest of these laws are faught and deemed unconstitutional as well.

      It has been hard to find housing, work, and have a normal life when I am not allowed to move, travel, and visit the same places everyone else is.

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        josh

        Jason, I understand exactly where you are coming from. I was originally told I would have to register 10 years, then 25, now life. This has been challenged in Kansas but the challenge failed in the Kansas Supreme Court. I’m hoping that this will be challenged again and with recent decisions in Michigan and Pennsylvania it will be overturned.

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      JEV

      The digital rape of a woman in my State he would of gotten a 30 year sentence. Any rapist in any form should be considered a violent act. Therefore we are talking about a Sexual Predator. This is not a light offense. Although I do not agree with a Life Registrant Sentence, in this case it must be the max. Any Rapist need deep therapy and rehab.

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        George In Texas

        JEV,

        what — exactly — are you basing this view of yours on? Do you have empirical evidence that points to the facts that you have made? Making remarks that aren’t based in fact is EXACTLY what the politicians do when they pass these insane laws.

        I say treat each case as an individual and not as a blanket system like we have now. All crimes of any type should be treated as such and no discrimination should be awarded simply because it is a sex crime or not, violent or not. Murder is a violent crime, is it not? Yet there’s not much of a spotlight on murderers once they are released.

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      obvious answers

      Sadly it is the people who know the least that scream the most. And those that scream the most get the most attention.. Our country was designed to be a republic NOT a democracy for exactly that reason.. Unfortunately we are shifting more towards the democracy or bully by majority direction.

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        WC_TN

        A point that needs to be part of any brief (amicus curiae) to the courts should be the fact that we live in a democratic republic and that it is the solemn duty of the government to protect disfavored populations from the tyranny of the majority. That’s why this nation was not set up as a direct democracy.

        They tyrannical majority has full sway on this issue and such is in direct contravention of our forefathers’ founding principles.

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      Mac Taucer

      Thank you for this valuable publication.
      I think that the first step forward for the legal system as far as SOX’s are concerned is to establish a new category system. The existing system basically throws all sex offenders in the same bucket.
      My categorization will go like this:
      I. Violent Rapist
      II. Repeated Offender
      III. Minor ( under age) offender
      IV. Child Offender
      a) non-consensual
      b) consensual
      NONE of the above categories should carry a life-time registration. Once the jail term (counseling) is over it should be just a state registration NOT to be made public.
      The LIFE-TIME registration must be eliminated.
      Even more, the black- listing on passports is beyond my comprehension.
      We are here as a nation to create a better world… instead, we are making it worse by leaving no other choice to SOX’s but to commit other crimes.

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        Henry

        We don’t need categories. period. What is needed is to abolish the registry. LEO eyes only.

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      Wearethepeople

      It is sad that we now consider all sex offenders as rapist. Not at all true! I would like to know the percent of actual true rapes that have occurred in my State, but this is hard to find out. The Laws now have an age factor, this is what dictates most of the arrest, not so much as the act. This young man was intoxicated at the time, and the young women was as well. She passed out. That is all I know about this case, and that someone reported it. My first question is how did they both get intoxicated and end up where they did. It was near or behind a dumpster that was something else that I remembered. My next question is why is she not responsible for her actions, why is it all on him? Passing out is not common when getting drunk, most people do not let them self go that far. Now who need rehab or deep therapy. I forgive him and his actions. I understand that he made a mistake, and so did she. I forgive her as well for putting herself in that condition, and turning this young mans life upside down. I agree with the Judge who sentenced him. I do not agree with the Registry, this should not be a life time sentence.

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        Michael Kuehl

        The ultimate absurdity is defining and vilifying women as “rapists” and “pedophiles” for allowing biological men under age 16 or even 18 to penetrate them in factually consensual relationships in which their “victims” either knowingly and willingly consent or are the aggressors who initiate their phantasmal and theoretical victimization.

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      Roger Fenton

      I was arrested in 2000 for sexually touching an underage female. My sentence was 15 do 3. When I got out of prison, with my professional license revoked, I had no way to make a living. I tried applying for various jobs, even as a motorcycle mechanic, but no one would hire me. I was in counseling for 12 years and found most of it to be worthless, that is except for one phase, videos of how unwanted sexual abuse can affect the victim. One woman might enjoy being raped as long as the guy was good looking and didn’t hurt her, while another woman might find the experience so traumatic that she would be institutionalized for years, if not for the rest of her life. I can honestly say I would NEVER sexually touch another underage female, but I am now under a lifetime sex offender list which is geared to stranger-on-stranger crimes when over 90% of the cases the victim knew the person who victimized them. The sex offender list is a product of mass hysteria led by the media and politicians who want to get in the spotlight. The “list” needs to go!

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      totally against public registry

      Yes, Merica always needs a group to hate! We hated the people who lived on this land when we arrived so we killed them and re-arranged their culture, language, and livelihood. Then we had to find other people to hate and destroy. All along our history it is apparent that any little deviation from the center lands you in the hate group. We’ve seen it with foreigners, communists, gays, LGBT, sex offenders, and now with this #metoo movement, which will backfire eventually.
      It’s as if our society is constantly after happiness by destroying other people’s lives. What is this called in psychology, sadist? I don’t know, but I think our society is sick! We need help from a higher power……HELP!

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      TS

      One error I see is the passport fact. The victim was 22 at the time and he was 20; thus, a stamp in or on his passport isn’t going to happen because a minor wasn’t involved, which is a key point in the law to receiving the stamp. The good doctor leaves that in for dramatics, I believe.

      Additionally, USMS will issue RC travel notifications to those parties, INTERPOL, who they feel need to know it through the proper channels, who will in-turn notify the destination countries, who will determine entry or not into their country. It has yet to be seen whether a stamp is a denial determining factor.

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      Chris Harvey

      I am encouraged by this discussion and agree unequivocally with Dr. Klein’s excellent article about the recall effort in California. But my positive feelings are tempered by the reality of our age.

      There is much to be concerned about in the United States in this currently divisive political climate. Little real conversation is occurring between sides holding different points of view. Destructive acts occur because emotion overtakes reason at critical times, and I fear that the same is occurring in this instance. Leaders with wise moral authority who can argue for quiet reflection about what’s best for all parties in the long view of time (especially society and its institutions) are drowned out by the hysteria of vengeful masses and the convenient misapplication of truth that fuels hatred and division. The hypocrisy of those arguing for the judge’s removal and their lack of concern for facts and the larger well-being of communities and societies is disheartening, but sadly all too common.

      I am from a family (and lets never forget that such events affect families, not just individuals) with a talented young man who was caught with photos of underage women on his computer. He served 3 years behind bars at a critical time in his life, and now faces ten years of mandatory probation requiring 100 mile trips to outsourced (profit-driven) psychological “group therapy” as well as lifetime punishment on the registry. He had no contact with anyone during his “sex crime”; yet on discharge he has faced insurmountable barriers in all facets of life- employment, career choice, travel, housing, etc. His story and the stories of thousands of others like him make “The Scarlet Letter” seem contemporary.

      Sadly, the wave of vengeful hysteria fueling the recall election is symptomatic of the larger state of our society. Until we elect wise leaders who care about people and just laws, we are all condemned to live in the gulag we now occupy.

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        WC_TN

        As a Christian, I know I shouldn’t wish ill on another human being, however, it seems to me that the only way people will learn is when someone they love more than life itself – a son or a daughter- gets caught up in this mess and lands on the public registry for life with all the life-crippling restrictions attached thereto. I truly think the best medicine for the rabid haters that infest our nation like so many intestinal parasitic worms is a good healthy dose of the empathy. They’d be the first one’s crying like little babies over how unfair the laws are and how their precious child, who has so much good in them, can’t get a fair shot at starting over. I’d want to be the first one to leer and gloat and tell them, “Sorry, cupcake!! You’re getting exactly what you’ve always supported and demanded be imposed on others, so lay down and shut your pie hole and live with it like all the rest of us have to!!! You wanted these laws and you got ’em, so shut up and live with it!!”

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          Carmelo

          You mean someone like former Congressman Anthony Weiner!!? ….humm…if he ever sees placement on the registry for he is “special”. All in power are “special”! (or think they are) Allow me to remind you, they protect themselves, “their own” and shield themselves from the laws they create. Remember that and never forget that reality. Maybe then once such acknowledgement is made people will be willing to flood en masse the Local, State and Federal legislators to demand, “not ask”, but demand by peaceful force change in the laws and removal of those officials in violation of the laws and the welfare of all residents/citizens (and that includes Registered Citizens/RSO’s). A pipe dream if you ask me! (but one can dream can’t one?, I think it is still legal)

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            WC_TN

            Oh there’s plenty of dirty laundry in the highest circles of power and wealth! Follow the link and watch this video. You’ll be shaking your head in dismay how the powerful in Washington, DC and elsewhere in the U.S. are up to their eyeballs in molesting little boys all the while passing ultra-cruel laws for the same crime against everyone else. I don’t care how rich and powerful you are. No one has the right to

            https://topdocumentaryfilms.com/the-franklin-cov

            Conspiracy of Silence, a documentary listed for viewing in TV Guide Magazine was to be aired on the Discovery Channel, on May 3 1994. This documentary exposed a network of religious leaders and Washington politicians who flew children to Washington D.C. for sex orgies. Many children suffered the indignity of wearing nothing but their underwear and a number displayed on a piece of cardboard hanging from their necks when being auctioned off to foreigners in Las Vegas, Nevada, and Toronto, Canada.

            At the last minute before airing, unknown congressmen threatened the TV Cable industry with restrictive legislation if this documentary was aired. Almost immediately, the rights to the documentary were purchased by unknown persons who ordered all copies destroyed.

            A copy of this videotape was furnished anonymously to former Nebraska state senator and attorney John De Camp who made it available to retired FBI Agent Ted L. Gunderson. While the video quality is not top grade, this tape is a blockbuster in what is revealed by its participants involved.

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      Rajendra

      The Registry is clearly unconstitutional and hence criminal.

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      Jay Raskin

      I have not studied the Brock Turner case in any detail. However, I know there are some disturbing questions about what actually occurred. I think that there was a massive media campaign against him before and during the trial that makes me doubt that he did get a fair trial.
      I agree that he did get an extraordinarily heavy sentence in being required to register as a sex offender for the rest of his life, but I would not say this was any kind of model for justice.
      Here is a relevant article – https://www.theodysseyonline.com/3-reasons-brock-turner-shouldnt-jail.

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      Saddles

      Actually these internet encounters are a violent perverting of justicement and justice. It si a two wrongs don’t make a right type of situation. Christians should expose some of this ordeal that man is laying on people. Its like betraying the Ordainment of Government today. Its like offenses do come but woo to those from who the offense comes. Its our duty to expose them. Sure you might want to brush up on your Christian faith and we all have a certain measure of faith, How one works out his or her own salvation that is up to the individual, but we all have a learning curve.
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      If we are not one nation under God than someone is trying to be over God in all this sex registry stuff so its like a fox hole that one has to draw them out of the hole as they are doing wrong. Drawing you out with the opportunity of sex is wrong and all advocates and even the individual needs to take action. All this is in the bible. Look guys dont’ be ashamed to step up as government is just as much the enemy when they don’t promote their wrongfull acts. If its a real girl situation than that can be a hard call but these basic standard prostutition set ups or the fictitous 14 year old girl one has to call them out or who know’s the thoughts of man or who know’s man’s intent. See those police can’t read people’s minds Sex is the all time tempter and so devilish at times with these ordeals.

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      Leann DeHart

      I am involved with prisoner support and I write many prisoners across the country and some of them are charged with sex offenses. Many will face a lifetime registry for non contact “sex” offenses like child pornography. Some were sent pictures of their girlfriends and they sit in Federal Prisons accused of CP.
      I write one young man who was charged with CP based only on a chat log manipulated by a law enforcement officer. He will be on supervised release for 10 years and lifetime registry.
      What happens to the innocent people who are charged with crimes they did not commit and will have their lives further destroyed by being on a registry?

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      Maestro

      “the Probation Department recommended a sentence of six months in jail….”

      Then why aren’t the angry villagers going after the Probation Dept instead of the judge?
      People are, unfortunately stupid.

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        WC_TN

        The public is rabidly angry with the judge because, in their opinion, he should have rejected the parole department’s recommendation and sentenced him to the maximum allowed under current law AND THEN registered him for life.

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      Saddles

      Leann I have to agree with you on that one. Even my sister told me any messages I get like this to just store them and not open them. I have been doing that for 5 years. I would say I have 45 or more of these are on my computer I just put them all in a separate folder. Some say, hot and sexy looking for a hot time. Ms. sweet, or (I wish to talk my Honey:) or GOOD DAY) My HON:) in caps of course. One of them said Hi! Hope your free to talk MY OLD BUDDY:) and GOOD MORNING) what are you up to ?Dear: Sure these are all come on’s and people should be aware of those people that clown around to trap or re entrap those into all this. They will show you know mercy when it is actually government that sets these things up.

      I’m sure a lot of you all have these on your computer. I can just present these to authorities or congress and I’m sure we can all get to the bottom of all this sex trappings. It really gets to be a pain but I’m sure there is a reason when they come four and more at a time. Each month its more some its less its all a bait game with this sex ordeal.

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      T

      The registry and all of its ordinances should be should be abolished to teach people a lesson about humanity.

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      Saddles

      While these sex stings and this brock turner thing are a bit much it is still a sin issue but punishing for the rest of one’s life is hardship. Jobs are sort of off limits to the sex offender because the word sex offender is so degrading and offensive and it conjours up vain images that the general public picture disgusting. Sure a potty mouth can be disgusting just as much as someone that’s drunk and trying to engage in some type of sex satisfaction with an unconsicious gal.

      Sure this turner guy was sent to jail for a while and than has a lifetime of sex registry. Discrimination, hunting jobs, housing and all the other nine yards. While two wrongs don’t make a right how does law enforcement and courts justify themself. Well its very shallow area to take sin and use it for sin. Don’t we sin daily. Who forgives who I wonder. In the long run. 25 yrs. on the registy and now its changed to life. God’s law never changes so their playing a devils war and just a sorted game to them without warning. And thru the internet how cheap si that..

      Yes, I’m sure church is out of the question or is man above the ethical morals of man. Doesn’t God hold that position and doesn’t the individual have a right to redemption. It seems Government today wants to uphold the sin issue by compounding it more. A bit of punishment is all that was necessary not some lifetime condemnation that does is no good. Of course people may look at all of this brock turner as some preppy boy example but God is no respecter of person but I just wonder if man’s Government is mighter than the sword of the spirit. Human Government has failed in many ways and these things show the errors and its no longer man loving thy neighbor.Its more like political power rules the world. I would have to say Morality is a one shot deal in all this blind justice. Protection from an evil attack is good but when someone gives you a, Talk dirty to me, or a lets get naughty…. what government are you gonna trust.

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      Pam

      This is all a money making system!! It’s not fair to the husband whose exwife got pissed for something & told their 18yr old that her daddy touched her inappropriately 7yrs prior! Really? He spent 3yrs in prison & is now on Parole until Jan 2019. He has to register for LIFE and is a tier 1 offender. I have read so many stories, & I’m not offending everybody, but there are some unfair situations. Prayers for our system to get better.

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      david

      Many people don’t pay attention to non-sensationalized news. Everybody consumes whatever headlines suite their taste…some people seem to enjoy feeling a rush of emotion as opposed to reading balanced and nuanced articles.

      It’s puzzling why anyone would think lifetime registration is a light sentence. We can probably thank facebook for a good share of the crap news and divisiveness that’s happening.

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      Kurt Martin

      Brock Turner was a spoiled rich kid and star athlete who thought he could do anything he wanted. Notice that he didn’t cut a plea bargain. He went to trial. He tried to get away with it. He was hoping that finger-raping a college girl would bring him NO criminal sanctions at all. He didn’t admit his guilt. The jury found that he concocted a lie about “consent” after the fact, when there never was any consent and couldn’t have been.

      A rapist that tries to lie his way out of the consequences of his crime– does he deserve the same sentence as the guy who admits doing it, apologizes to the victim, to the community, and asks the Court for mercy?

      I’m outraged that he only served 6 months. I think he should have served 3 full years in prison, THEN gone on probation for several more. Instead of having to start his life over as a more mature adult who got a serious slap down that he well and truly deserved, he got what the victim called a “soft time out” with a short stint in jail followed by probation. And that’s entirely due to the judge’s sentence. It’s not like the judge gave Turner 3 years and he made parole after just 6 months (which is common for youthful offenders).

      Anyhow, since the judge imposed the sentence that was recommended by the probation department following a pre-sentence investigation, and that’s very common for judges to follow those recommendations of the parole department, there’s no reason to recall Judge Persky. But it’s perfectly appropriate for the people to elect judges that reflect their values and morals and will hand down a sentence that fits the community’s sense of outrage at the crime, as long as that sentence is within the statutory range and is constitutional.

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      Randy

      In ’99 I was sentenced with the pre-sentence investigation specifically mentioning that I was not a predator. My plea agreement only listed registration for the duration of my 3 yr probation after my 7 yr (ended up being 3yrs & 3 months) bit. Mandatory sex offense class therapist informed me that the law changed to 5 yrs of registry then it became 10 yrs and finally Indiana made me an SVP by law and added registration for life. My life suddenly spiraled downward, major depression led to poor eating which gave me type 2 diabetes. I’ve been unemployed for almost 10 years and have had my civil rights violated by law enforcement, including 2 false arrests for failing to register (beaten in court with the Judge repremanding sheriff). My life is hell 80 percent of the time with only my wife and kids alleviating the anguish and despair. My life essentially ended at 19 yrs old but with me barely holding on since.

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      Larry Warnack

      I took a best interest no contest plea to statutory rape in TN 2005. 2006 I moved to Indiana and did my 10 years on the sex offender registry as required my my plea. I fulfilled that reguirement August 2016. I have been off of it for 2 years .Now the county I just moved to to put me back on it reclassified me from a sexual offender to a sexual violent offender and required for life how is this possible?

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      Ricki Lewis

      Well everyone im a registered sex offender and all i can say is, coach the young folks educate them in whats wrong and whats right. I have coached and mentored many youth from 16-24 as a lifetime sex offender. I have been given a chance to work in a school for which the registry is aware and has been there over 10 years.

      I held many male to male meetings to talk about myself and my past. There is always mixed emotions however in the end i earn their respect and trust.
      Its not easy being me i tell them.
      Im a positive person however now you know why i smile and am happy everyday.
      I am a very popular and well respected guy at work. I tell them everyday that i am thankful even through the major barriers i have .

      Im still cautious of female students who all respect me however i deny them any sort of body contact, some staff tell me “ oh go ahead she wants a hug “. I say to the student privately that i do not agree with anything they just said so please hand shakes only. My life is on the line.

      Its a wonderful place. My life isn’t so while i can i will try my best to steer someone else from the path i have taken.

      Even though i was cohered into this situation its my fault for listening. I believe in god and thats gods doing, my ability to gain jobs, 1.5. Is the work of god cause god knows i wouldn’t hurt a fly, and was the true witness of the crime that really didn’t happen. Just a black man with no record that has to be stopped from being to successful. Oh by the way at the time i was a registered nurse. Oh well, thats a done deal.

      But im thankful for what i was able to find, which is steady employment.

      Well thats all folks.

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