Sixth Amendment off-limits to people accused of sexual offense

By Sandy…..

When something I write references something read elsewhere, especially when I use direct quotes, I always link to the other piece. Due to my refusal to give the other piece or its publisher any credence or recognition, this post will be the exception to that rule.

In a major election year, one expects nasty, attack campaign ads. The last few years the level of sleaze has deepened and this year threatens, like a spewing volcano, to engulf the entire political process in its roiling, broiling morass.

Interesting parallel — each year the level of sleaze leveled at the entire class of those who are required to be on a sex offender registry deepens, with the list of “cannots” against them growing and spreading, much like the deadly lava of a volcano.

They cannot live where they wish or, often, be where they wish.
They often cannot get/keep employment.
They cannot assume their normal rights as parents or as citizens.
They cannot assume the right to travel freely.
They cannot live free of fear and anxiety for their own and their family’s safety.
Some cannot hide their infamy from anyone viewing their drivers’ licenses or, soon and for all, their passports.
Most importantly, they cannot — ever — be forgiven.

And now, due to an interesting convergence of both political and sex offender sleaze, it seems a new cannot has been added.

In a political ad pretending to be actual journalism, one designed not to directly promote a specific candidate but to destroy one, a candidate was linked with an organization renowned for fighting for unpopular causes in matters of civil rights.

It seems that this organization is “an organization that has an appalling history of providing legal support for sex offenders throughout the nation.”

And the candidate? “Shockingly…like the ACLU, has a history of defending sex offenders as well.”

Appalling history? Shocking? The inference here is that those facing charges for sexual offenses should not be allowed legal support, and that anyone who dares provide it is doing something unconscionable and beyond the pale.

So a new cannot joins the others: Those accused of sexual offenses even though, like everyone accused of any crime, considered innocent until proven guilty, CANNOT be represented by counsel because no attorney worth the name would represent such a person.

Much about the public registry and all that it has spawned plays fast and loose with many of our constitutional protections. Now, with this, the Sixth Amendment is not just biting the dust but being stomped, ground, and broken upon the cold, hard earth.

Help us reach more people by Sharing or Liking this post.

51 Thoughts to “Sixth Amendment off-limits to people accused of sexual offense”

Comments are closed.

  1. Depressed

    Sandy you forgot one thing, the politicians are in this for one thing and one thing only. POWER and MONEY they are not there to follow the constitution. You can’t forget it’s a living document in their eyes to be manipulated and twisted and perverted for their own gain at the ballot box and their SAFETY deposit box. Oops almost forgot their wallet also.

  2. Art S

    Just yesterday I called an organization in my state that is supposed to give legal help to people that are low income. Prior to this I asked the public defenders office if they would help and was told they can only help if I was currently involved in a criminal case (eg. arrested etc.). Technically I’m not because I finished my probation. They referred me to yesterday’s organization. They in turn gave me a # to a lawyer which would only give me a half hour of free advice.
    I wanted to find representation to help me get removed from the registry and or get my record expunged. There is a law in my state that states I have a right to a hearing before a panel that would hear my facts and other information that would support my case. The outcome is determined by certain criteria that is met that they are supposed to follow. I was first told by probation that there was no such thing and then by an officer at the parole office and they said that the only way I could get off would be by having the legislation law changed. The lawyer I spoke to said that I do in fact have the right to a hearing but I’d be wasting my time because they’re not going to give it to me and he’s never heard of anyone getting it.. He told me even if he took the case it would cost a minimum of $20,000 and I’d be wasting my money. He said he understands my plight and even teaches constitutional law.
    Even though I know I meet the criteria it seems as if this “panel” has their mind closed, even though this is supposed to be what their job is. The attorney general is dead against it too and he has a voice on the panel.
    Thank God for Janice and other organizations who are trying to help out, at least there’s a glimmer of hope.
    I have a question for anyone who would know. If the court has decided the registry is not criminal and they have placed it in the civil arena can’t I sue them civilly?

  3. Echo

    excellent point. i’ve seen the ad/article slandering the ACLU and Bernie.

    it will never cease to amaze me the depths that some will go to stir up muck!

  4. Paul

    The ACLU defends all kinds of unpopular positions. They defended Fred Phelps’s right to free speech when he said “G*d hates f*g*”. One thing you have to admire about them is that they are consistent in their views. While it is impossible to always agree with the ACLU’s position in defending a person or a group, they are on the right side of history.

    It is absolutely disgusting that the ACLU is being singled out in their connection to supporting us, as if we are not deserving on any legal support?

    You know, I watched Judgment in Nuremberg the other day and found my mouth hanging wide open during certain scenes. This monologue by Burt Lancaster is particularly instructive. In this scene, Lancaster is trying to explain how he as Minister of Justice could have gone along with the Third Reich when he knew that Hitler was up to no good. His claim was that it was to keep Germany safe from within. That Hitler preached love of country, that internal panic was at fever pitched all time high levels. And while greed certainly wasn’t mentioned in the monologue (though it should have been) power was! I believe this scene illustrates a lot of what is going on today. I’d be interested if anyone else sees the parallels after watching this scene.

  5. And yet, Hillary’s hubby signed both the Jacob Wetterling Act AND Megan’s Law.

    1. Paul

      Derek, it’s kind of convenient on her part that she “feels the pain” of the overincarcerated but the 1994 Crime Bill that her husband signed has been largely responsible with respect largely to African Americans being incarcerated in record numbers (and discrimination against gays, “don’t ask, don’t tell”). I’d like to hear her say “That was a family affair. My husband got a lot of things wrong. He screwed up (no pun intended) and I intend right his wrongs.” Taking that a quantum leap further, I’d like her say she’s equally as interested in reforming the registry but that’s a pipe dream.

  6. Emil S

    I found an NPR article, but it was pretty old. I was curious if things are still the same or has gotten worse in Florida for sex offenders.

    Here’s the link to the article. –

    I felt angered and sad reading the article, especially when it said that they impose curfew at the location at night, so basically the sex offenders there have to be back under the bridge by certain time at night. Such an appalling story, I felt like crying 🙁

    1. Paul

      Yeah, that area is messed up. So messed up that author Russell Banks wrote a novel about it. Miami Dade is probably the worst place in the country to live if you are on the registry.

      Does anyone else see Eugenics being a goal here on the way to rounding us up and sending us to a penal colony? The Buck case from 1927 was never formally overturned or redressed by the Supreme Court. The implication of that is staggering. Sterilizing us would be perfectly legal. We already (in effect) cannot contribute much to the gene pool because of our offender status. I don’t think too many of us our married, last I checked. And I don’t want to give some troll of a lawmaker who comes to this website any ideas but I worry we are headed in that direction and I think the American people would wholeheartedly support it. In fact, there are a couple of presidential candidates (whose names I won’t mention to stay apolitical) who I could see issuing executive orders to implement it. Think of it: Being forced to surrender ourselves to hospitals. It’s not so far fetched given what just happened with our passports.

      This is something I rarely see talked about among our community so I am wondering if what other people think. Should we be worried or am I being an alarmist?

      1. Paul

        I mean, in some cases, mandatory chemical castration already exists. Could that be applied to all of us someday? I wonder, I just wonder.

      2. JR

        Funny you should mention “sterilization.” A Hillsborough County Commissioner (Victor Crist) just offered this solution at a BOCC meeting in Tampa last week

      3. Emil S

        Sex offender registry and the laws surrounding it are slow eugenics, and there is no denying in that, no matter how much someone would sugarcoat it otherwise.

        I have seen many comments online where if you voice for the human rights of sex offenders and the gross injustice in this country against them, you are threatened in return and they start calling you names and what not. The general level of the consciousness of the American society is sadly not that high, which is readily reflected.

        In the old days, they made people, whom the society declared undesirables, sterile immediately by using medical procedures. Now in the twenty-first century, they use these draconian laws to deprive people of human dignity and a means to function as a member in a society; just like the Lethal Injection has taken the place of guillotines of the old days, sex offender registry has taken the place of the old eugenics tools.

      4. Paul

        Emil, J.R and David, thanks for your comments. They all ring true for me. From a strictly Freudian point of view, maybe the public thinks that by eliminating sex offenders from the gene pool, POOF, no more sex offenders. Why else did Oliver Wendell Holmes say “Three generations of imbeciles is enough” as justification for sterilization. We haven’t evolved that much since then, folks. More pragmatically, the ignoramuses probably don’t want us to be around children and if we have children of our own, that’s a problem. They are wrong on both counts. Most of us do NOT repeat our offenses. We recidivate less than a garden variety bugler, about 70% to 80% less.

        Whether it’s conscious or unconscious, I definitely think eugenics is driving this campaign. Get rid of “anyone” with the potential for a bad thought and we’ll have citizens with no more bad impulses. It’s a Brave New World.

      5. Paul

        This book is coming out on Tuesday. They had a copy available at Barnes and Noble today. Many of you probably don’t know about it. It’s about the 1927 Buck case which made forced sterilization legal. Skimmed through it. We were not taught this s**t in history class. This is crackerjack history, let me tell you. Truly eye opening. And this subject is extremely, EXTREMELY relevant today. Please pass along to those you know. And if you can get it, it might make for a good (albeit scary) read.

      6. Paul

        I just have to add this. What determined that Carrie Buck was feeble-minded? Her promiscuity. It’s true.

      7. John W.

        Hey Paul, I don’t think you’re being an alarmist at all. I plead no contest in 1985 for something I was accused of doing in 1981. I received a 10 yr SES, but I was officially released from probation after 5 years and was returned all of my rights of being a citizen in 1990. But it wasn’t until 1998 that my rights started to dwindle away and subsequently each and every year after that even though I had never committed any kind of crime since. I do have horror stories just like everyone else, but those are for another time.
        In 2013, when I was allowed to travel the world as a free man, I went to Dachau, Germany and visited one of the first concentration camps in Germany, and in fact it was the model of all camps and the training site for the Nazi SS. The tour guide was a German Historian who’s opening statement was to say that the German government allows these tours to inform the rest of the world of the horrors that were committed by their own hands, in the hope that it would never happen again. He went on to say that there are no embellishments of the things that are said about the camps, because of whatever you can dream of in being the worst of mankind, you will see proof that it was far worse than that.
        I have always believed the holocaust happened, but for some strange reason, i thought it was done neat the end of the war. Even if I thought it was at the beginning of US involvement, I am wrong. It actually started Feb. 27, 1933 when the law was written to arrest and hold anyone, without due process, that the government felt was a enemy of the state. They didn’t start with the Jews. They started with communists, gypsies, homosexuals, ex-convicts, mentally and physically handicapped, and anyone else they felt was a enemy or an economic drain to their country. They also used the reasoning of protecting the children. Sound familiar yet?
        I only told you that, so I can tell you this. Our tour group was visibly moved by what they were witnessing. Some were even sobbing out loud as we stood in front of a sculpted memorial for the 33,000 plus people who were murdered there. I didn’t cry. I was sixty years old. I am ex Viet Nam war vet. I’ve buried best friends. I even buried my parents with the ability to hide my sorrow. But something did happen after the majority of the group walked away that made me sit down and weep. It was the craziest thing and it was probably the most insignificant thing that other people didn’t even notice. I saw a young couple, maybe in their mid 20’s, certainly old enough to know better, ask another young couple to take their picture in front of this memorial . I watched them as they took turns smiling, laughing and posing in front of that memorial. I realized that I was probably looking at the generation that would order the next Dachau. I really don’t know that. But that’s the day I became an alarmist.
        I have watched our politicians, and I watch how our laws are being written and changed to meet the criteria of “protecting the children”. I don’t want to ever hear the nonsense of which party did this or that. They are all part of the “sex offender scare”. I believe we will be rounded up as soon as the people are convinced that there is a cost savings in it for them.
        By the way, there is a 37 minute video of Dachau on You Tube. It was posted 3 yrs ago. In a country of 300 million people with a 200 million capability of internet service, it only has 114,000 hits with 175 likes and 39 dislikes. That could be a warning too!

      8. Paul

        I’d like to hear your story too, John. Your post was one of the most eloquent ones I’ve read in a long time. I’m Jewish and have been watching my share of Holocaust movies lately. It’s a self-defeating strategy since every time I do it, I scare the hell outta myself. But I do it anyone. I certainly have met holocaust survivors and have seen the tatoos on their arms. I get more scared by the day.

        I’m going to say something here that may make me unpopular. I don’t care. This is my statement and it doesn’t represent RSOL or anyone associated with it. I’ve held this in for months on this board and I can’t any longer. We cannot elect Donald Trump as president. (too bad many of us can’t vote) You think he hates Latinos and refugees? Wait until he gets his hands on us. This is a guy who thinks he can rewrite Supreme Court precedent. Rewriting libel laws? WTF? He can’t do that, there’s a Supreme Court precedent for that.

        To be honest, a lot of my fear at the present time is because of this man. The damage that he could do. We think Obama’s bad? He’ll seem like Santa Claus next to this guy. I really am scared.

      9. Paul

        I do it “anyway” not anyone

      10. Fred

        That isn’t going to make you unpopular Paul as you are correct and I have the same concern. Have you ben able to join RSOL yet? If so maybe we could start a discussion on the members only forum.

      11. John W.

        Hey Paul and David. Thank you for understanding what I said about Dachau. I had shared that story with a couple of friends of mine and both had said that they didn’t understand what I was getting at. I thought I was just being stupid.

        As far as my story goes, I would only say publicly, that my wife and I have raised 8 children. Six of them have one or more college degrees and have careers that any parent would be proud of. The thing is, is that my daughters had name changes as they got married. Their careers have excelled far beyond my dreams for them. My sons, didn’t do so well. I’ve talked to them about it. Two will agree with me, but two are stubborn and will not admit to the fact that our last name and address had closed the doors to their careers. After all, if you google my unusual last name, I pop up as a registered sex offender. If you google my address, a registered sex offender map pops up in 2d or 3d satellite view, complete with my current photo, place of employment, my vehicles with license plate numbers, age of the victim, my crime (but not the year because it doesn’t matter that it was 35 years ago), and there is an icon you can click that will give you directions to my house from your current location.
        I believe if I went public with my story, the haters will make the connection to my daughters and their careers would be over. I cannot live with that.
        I also live in constant fear that my grandchildren’s schoolmates will make the connection. They live with me, and a new bill for a law was introduced last week to prevent school buses from dropping students off within 500 ft of a sex offender’s home. I live in an area where people live within 500 ft of a dead end road, and absolutely no one can drive or walk to their homes without passing my property line. For 20 yrs., my neighbors haven’t been afraid of me, but the government will make sure to let them know that they should be, even though I’m the same guy.

        One last thing! I am a Republican. I have always been a Republican. I am so much a republican that I am one of the only Americans that will admit to voting for Richard Nixon. George W. Bush did me wrong with the signing into law the National SOR, but worse than that, he established a means for the DOJ to have the power to set up laws, rules, and policies complete with penalties without congressional approval. After all, name the politician who would reject “protecting children”.
        Then I watched Ann Wagner, of who I voted for, who told me in every E-mail for the last 2 yrs that she wants to put a stop to the child prostitution slave trade. My God! Who wouldn’t want to stop that. But she stood and testified to congress, that I, (minus my name), am the guy going to foreign countries and seeking out the innocent, beautiful children to deliver to the evil people like myself solely because I am a Registered Sex Offender with a passport. That’s not even close to a logical assumption. But then, Obama, the savior of known terrorist in Cuba, the rescuer of army deserters in Irag, the forgiver of convicts in Federal prisons who actually committed crimes that were already on the books, just signed off on one more thing to help people forget that I was one of the guys that pledged to die and fight for my country in 1971 when the military were the most hated and disrespected people in our country. Never mind that I was one of those guys who got up every single day and provided for my family, my church, my community, while being one of the hands on guys for 42 yrs that ensured that our Military Aircraft was the best that our Navy and Air Force could ever have. Get that! 42 yrs. Every single day. All erased because of one thing done 35 years ago and politicians wanting our vote.

        Yesterday, I looked at the laws in Missouri, and found out after only about 4 hours of research on the website. Since 1999, I have found a total of 252 bills, that were proposed to be made laws and/or constitutional amendments in the state of Missouri. The writers of these law? 68-Democrats 184-Republicans It isn’t just the federal government attacking us. It is our own states and their doing it with an unprecedented vengeance. Another slight observation I made was that 199 of those 252 bills were written after the supreme court ruled that it was my civil duty to register and not a expo facto punishment. 199 bills were written after the supreme court ruled that there is nothing in federal law that said they have to honor my plea deal. In fact, there’s nothing in state law that makes a plea deal legal or binding. But just to make sure Mo. legislatures had written HJR 52, which doesn’t change the Mo. Constitution that deals with expo facto, but It adds the words, “however, a law may be retrospective in its operation with
        respect to a new obligation, duty, or disability imposed upon sex offenders.” Wow! That speaks volumes!

        I know this is long but the last thing I want to say is, in all fairness, Mo. legislatures proposed and passed a bill to remove names of people who committed crimes when they were juveniles. The Democratic Governor Jay Nixon vetoed it. But this is the funny part. He used the excuse of a guy who was involved in rape and murder of 2 girls when he was under 17 yrs. old. He got out of jail early because he testified against the others who were with him, who were subsequently sentenced to death. Jay Nixon stated he would always want to know where this “sex offender” lived. I’m just a normal guy, but I think I would want to know where a guy lived that took two teenage girls, raped them. then threw them 100 ft off a bridge into the Mississippi River. His address should be Prison, but it is not. But Jay Nixon is going to compare a murdering sociopath to the guy that showed his dick in a text message? Really? By the way, he made his veto speech in the front of the Hospital/Prison in Fulton, Mo. which has 450 prisoners who were committed after serving their sentences in prison for sex crimes. They were placed there by a judge and, get ready for this, a panel of prosecutors, who believe that they are a danger to the state. The Mo. supreme court said it’s okay. In fact, they don’t need a lawyer, so they don’t get a lawyer. Scary!!! The St. Louis newspaper said no one had ever been released from there since they opened in 1998. Of course we can’t believe what anyone says because the government can hide behind HEPA laws and the fact that, “Who cares? These guys aren’t regular bad guys! It’s not like they just killed a few people or blew up a building, These people are Registered Sex Offenders”!

      12. Fred

        John W.
        I recently posted this on another blog post on this site.

        The reality is we are literally only one step away from being rounded up and imprisoned or even killed. If you follow the patterns that were imposed on Jews in Nazi Germany, you will see how very similar they are to what is happening to sex offenders.

        The first stage is getting the general population to hate and fear the group deemed undesirable.

        The second stage is forcing that group deemed undesirable to provide all information on where they can be found.

        The third stage is confining that group deemed undesirable to specific locations.

        The final step is rounding up that group deemed undesirable and transporting them to a location for extermination.

        I don’t think it is too far out of reality to consider the possibility that we are being used as the stepping stone to create more ethic cleansing laws for other groups deemed undesirable.

        As an experiment I had my brother post a question on social media to an audience of 5000 people. The question was “If you became president tomorrow what is the first thing you would do.”

        I was shocked by how many people said they would make the death penalty mandatory for anyone convicted of a sex crime. My heart literally jumped every time I read one of those comments.

        This situation is very bad. Make no mistake about that.


        A lot of us share that perspective. I really hope we can all unite with our friends and families and be one loud voice. The legal and civil rights teams who are currently fighting for us can only do so much. We as a whole need to rise up and make ourselves heard.

        I am hoping that more of us will official Join RSOLs so that we can have constructive conversations in the private forum restricted to only members. My opinion is we are running out of time and we need to ponder our options and make plans for action.

      13. Paul

        John, I know you wouldn’t want to do this (most of us wouldn’t, including me) but you are incredibly articulate and insightful. I wish you could go public with your story. But yet I understand how your ordeal how already effected loved one’s. That’s an “intended consequence” of these laws (notice the quotations).

        I think what we need is a book written by someone with credentials published by a group like Penguin, Random House or Norton. There are lots of these books but they are all published be academic publishers. Very few people read them. Hence they get little publicity and few chances for the author to do a media blitz. I’ve often thought Janice Belluci would be the perfect lawyer to write this book. I’m sure many people would be interested in someone who chooses to represent sex offenders, just for the shock value alone. Hopefully along the way, they would become enlightened.

      14. John W.

        Hey Paul! John Grisham is a well respected author, with a law degree, who has a well respected publisher, who made one inconsequential comment (at least in my mind) about a good friend of his being a RSO, and I believe the media moved to destroy him before he finished his sentence.

  7. Martin

    Curiously, Justice Thomas asked a very poignant question from the Supreme Court bench today. Should we in fact lose a constitutional right if we are convicted of a crime.

    1. Welcome to the machine...

      It goes to show we are really becoming a one strike country and redemption is not possible to regain rights provided by the Constitution as I see it. Welcome to the machine…..

  8. John W.

    I’m only bringing this up here because I have nowhere else to sound off. I just read a tweet from the RSOL web page and this is a statement from that article:

    “Justice Anthony Kennedy, who was known as the court’s swing vote before the death of Justice Antonin Scalia last month, noted that the defendant in the case moved to a country not covered under the Sex Offender Registration and Notifications Act (SORNA). The law requires sex offenders to inform “at least one jurisdiction involved” of any change of address.”

    I realize that the supreme court only deals with the question put in front of them, but do journalists purposely write things in such a manner as to marginalize the rights of US Citizens solely because they’re a RSO? Do people really believe any one would have a problem with SORNA if I, as a RSO, had to tell my CLEO where I’m moving too?

    I want to tell the author of how I felt about that ridiculous over simplification of SORNA. But I can’t. Do you want to know why?
    First of all, the small thing of being a Facebook member, by their own rules, disqualifies a RSO from signing up. A US attorney had a woman from the state of Mo., extradited to Ca., and had her charged and tried for committing Fraud for signing up under an assumed name. Even though the Judge threw it out, it was after she was found guilty. What do you think that cost her?
    2nd thing. Is a tweet account considered a social media? Because of SORNA, i’ve been told by the my CLEO that I have to adhere to all state laws regarding RSO’s This includes the 3 day notification to my CLEO before entering a social media website, complete with name to be used and what the sight is. There is a five dollar charge for that new piece of information that goes into the paperwork. Now get this!!!! If I sign into that media with my “new name”, but it gets rejected because someone already has it. I get to start the 3 day process all over again, for the low cost of only five dollars. Penalty? Try 10 years in prison with a 2 year mandatory.
    So, to the author: You may be the smartest person in the world, but that statement didn’t prove it to me.

    There is a Mo. county sheriff that was on the news a couple of years ago doing RSO compliance checks. He had an American Flag Patch sewn on his uniform as he told the news cameraman, that he didn’t care what time he shows up at a sex offenders house, day or night! if he knocks on that door for the third time and he doesn’t get a answer, he’ll have an arrest warrant put on his ass.
    That’s another little insignificant thing thanks, to SORNA.

    1. Dave the RSO

      I’m a RSO to John i signed up to Facebook and then went to the sheriff and registered the user name it went smooth with no problems. It is important you get signed up and your voice gets heard. You may want to have a second look at the RSO rules in your state i think it is probably you have to tell them 3 days after signing up for a Facebook account like mine. I am going to make a second Face book account for my advocacy postings this way I wont be announcing who I am in the posts if people know you are a RSO they don’t listen to your words. Whenever possible i post as a alias citizen instead of a marked outcast of society.

      1. Joe

        I’m glad to see you use an alias for posting on Facebook. Not that I advocate breaking well intended rules, but rather I applaud efforts to get the truth about all the anti-intellectual bull that drives this countries efforts to create modern day lepers out there.

        Being kicked off of fb after having an account for well over 15 years without a single problem or anything that could possibly be twisted to an abuse of a social media site, simply because a friend of a friend I was having an argument with reported my so status from a non-felony charge from over 20 years ago is appalling.

        The United States Supreme Court ruled via an Eastern District ruling, that rsos could not be restricted from using a computer because they had become as intricate in Americans’ ability to communicate as the telephone had. Facebook needs to back away from it’s hard judge all policy and investigate complaints instead of pandering to uneducated hyperbole for the sake of political correct idiots.

        Apple should be nominated for a Peace Prize for service to humanity by standing up for the privacy rights of people the world over by doing the right thing and not giving the government the tools to go into anyone’s Iphone via a back door to look at their private communications.

        Facebook should grow a set, and maybe start setting a new concept in this country that once you make a mistake, pay your price you get a new chance. Oh wait a sec, thats an old concept this country used to believe in. Sorry fb.

      2. John W.

        Hey Dave! I took your advice and looked up the laws in my state about on-line identifiers. I’m thinking that maybe you should look into your state law too. In my state, an “alias” name is still an on-line identifier. Doesn’t matter that you have a real name on another account.

        Mo.rev.statute 589.414.1 says if I create or change my identifier, that I have 3 days to report it, in person, for $5.00 per each change or new name. BUT, it must be done before using the “identifier”.

        Mo.rev.statute 589.425.1 says if I don’t report a change within 3 days that it is a Class D or E felony which is 0-7 yrs and/or $4,000-$20,000 fine. BUT, if i had already messed up 2 times before on my registry paperwork, which I have, than the penalty is 10-30 yrs, must serve 2 yrs min., than life time GPS monitoring.upon release.

        At least I found out I can apply with the “online entity” before I go to my CLEO and report and not have to sweat loosing 5 bucks. (sarcasm with a smile)

        By the way, MoRevstatute 43.651.1 gives immunity of liability to any entity (such as Facebook) of investigating and/or refusing an RSO service and it also. with immunity of liability, REQUIRES the state police to give the RSO’s information to whatever entity, that requested the information, as long as they were requesting it in “good faith”. Whatever the hell that means.

      3. Tara

        I had 3yrs parole after 3 1/2 yr in prison. A short time before I got off, they told me it was lifetime. And I had to wear a gps ankle monitor. For someone who had NO previous run-ins with law, this absurd! Or maybe I just think that. I go from being higly motivated to just not caring. I mean, why. I have lost all 3 of my children, I have this stuff for life. Bogus!

    2. Fred

      For me in Michigan I have also been deprived of the ability to use Facebook. There are no laws that say I can’t, but the law does say that I have to report any new internet identifiers within 3 business days of their creation. However they share that information with Facebook and other social media sites and then Facebook will delete my account. The only way I could get around this would be to NOT report the identifier, but that would be a 4 year felony for me (which is crazy because my conviction is considered a Misdemeanor). All I have to do is fail to register something and I go from Misdemeanor to Felon. The fear is very real.
      About 5 years ago I tried to join a social media site (not Facebook) with the email address that they already have on file, but before I could get to the State Police to register the new user name, that Web site sent me an email explaining that because I am Registered Sex Offender I can not be on their website and then they deleted my account. How did they know so fast? I can only think that they have a database with Sex Offenders emails that they obtained fro m Law Enforcement and check all new accounts against it. We have no freedom of speech.

      1. Fred

        I want to add I have been Using Google+, which is a form of social media for years with ZERO problems. I haven’t checked, but I am fairly confident that they do not have any policy against Sex Offenders. Often I can use my Google+ Account to comment on articles.

      2. Thom

        I have been fortunate on the Facebook end of things but barely. My 3rd probation officer told me that he was told by the computer police I have Facebook and told me I couldn’t have it. I told him that wasn’t the case and that was the end of that. Even when I have to report every 3 months for the registry, they know all about the names I use and never say anything…

  9. Daniel

    I’m an rso, I have been one since 93. I was 13. Now I have to register for lifetime in Michigan. I can’t find work, it has destroyed my life… As it stands, an so has no civil rights. Allow us to leave the US… 23 yrs and not one sex crime… but I do get targeted for everything else that happens.. I went 10 yrs once I moved with no issues. I got into an accident, since then the cops know me and my car and I get pulled over and cited for every little infraction…

    1. Ron

      You have the right to leave and move from that state entirely. You ever thought about getting a dashcam?

      1. Paul

        Sorry to tell you Ron, but Michigan isn’t the worst state. I don’t think leaving a state would help. It could be worse in other states. I do empathize with Daniel though.

        Daniel, sorry to hear how rough it has been.

      2. Fred

        That sounds like a cop out to me. With every state increasing restrictions where can he really go and not have to face this? Maybe we could find people to donate dash cams, because a lot of us are struggling just to find work and can not waste money on that kind of luxury.

    2. Fred

      I am in Michigan too and I am hoping to united with other Michigan registrants, family and friends to take the fight to Senator Rick Jones.

      1. Martin

        I am also an RSO in Michigan. While I have not experienced any harassment, I have suffered from being watched, asked to drop college classes due to someone’s discomfort with my presence, no longer able to travel internationally, limit my ability to participate in my children’s extracurricular activities, and social isolation. I am not able to qualify for Phi Beta Kappa due to the registry. My 4.0 GPA in college should qualify me for grants and scholarships. It does not due to the registry. Business loans are laughable. The deeper and more ingrained these ridiculous laws become, the less I am able to imagine a day when we can work to return our battered reputation to an socially acceptable level. Is there no end to this? My life has been completely destroyed due to a forensic review of my hard drive finding 6 deleted photo thumbnails. I am open to participate in any kind of grassroots movement in Michigan to try and get the state to see reason.

      2. Fred

        Thank you for your reply Martin. Please keep an eye on the comments on this site. I am putting together a way that we can communicate securely and legally about starting a movement focused on MSOR.

      3. Ron

        There are places that have more lenient restrictions, especially for those off of probation. The key is to find a place and a job that doesn’t overall infringe on your relative freedom of movement. You have to be willing to pack up and that involves research, whatever resources you can grab and structures of support.

      4. JR

        Fred: Here is the link to the Michigan affiliate of RSOL

      5. Fred

        Thank you. I am aware of it, but dont see anyway for members to have private discussions among themselves. I personally would like to know how strong these groups are. I had joined some groups thinking there would be a membership in the 1000s only to be disappointed that its more like 100. That tells me we are not reaching enough people. So I want to have discussions with members on ways we could strengthen our movement more rapidly. I think its important that we have these discussions privately and on a platform that does not require identifiers we would have to report as that is the primary reason so many of us remain silent.

      6. Paul

        Rick Jones. Feh! Don’t even get me started on him!

      7. Jonathan Dell Merritt

        There are registrants I know who work for trucking companies out of Michigan.
        These registrants live in South Carolina. I am a registrant who has been fortunate to become successful and get married and have a home.
        The trucking industry offers hope to many registrants looking for a career change.

      8. aaron

        I’m an rso in sc. I have tried to get into the trucking industry and have been told that being an rso is “a kiss of death” with getting a trucking job… any links to company’s that would give me a chance? I was 15 when I was charged for csc and I am now 28. Finding a job has been hell. My wife and I want me to get off but I’m registered for life in sc… even as a minor. I’d love to drive a truck. I love to travel… any help and advice would be amazing.

    3. Tara

      I live in Kansas. My son is in Michigan with my father. My dad said, Tara, come home. The crap I go through, I sure don’t want Kyle affected by. I have learned that Michigan is tough on offenders. I am an rso. And you don’t see many females with my charge! But I want bo reporcussions to involve my son. I have asked my father to keep him, so he is away from all that happens to me. I can take it. He can’t! He’s not suppose to!

      1. aaron

        Been an rso for 13 years. I was 15 when I got charged. I have a wonderfully understanding wife and beautiful children who are negatively affected as well. Finding a job has been next to impossible. I feel for you there.

      2. Tara

        Aaron while the rules differ in sc, in Kansas there are several trucking companies who would take you, im sure. Someone a while back says they have no right to ask have you EVER been convicted of a felony. Again, idk, but I would think you can say legally that you have not in the past seven years. Good luck!

  10. Thom

    I’ve just recently been looking around for support groups because as a RSO have no where else to go.

    My story – person at the time I was dating back in 1999 ran a file sharing program that shared adult porn automatically so you didn’t have to do anything or be there to run it. A sting operation at the time was going on ( still to this day we think the Pa. Police uploaded the files ). 2001 rolls around and the police knock on the door with a warrant with the words “sexual abuse of children”
    Out of 20K+ of adult porn only about 200 were questionable. So after that I got 14 years probation and 10 years on the registry. 10 years rolls around and a new law shows up that turns me from 10 years to life. Been let go from a job at a university when the paper ran a story on sex offenders at the workplace. 10 mins after I left work, the paper ran in to my office with a camera I was told and informed them I was an offender.
    Now learning about new laws coming like now how we can’t really even leave the country, what is the point of letting us be around. Modern day concentration for sex offenders. I could go on and on with this but I’m sure everyone’s eyes hurt by now…

  11. Kay

    The United States Supreme Court ruled via an Eastern District ruling, that rsos could not be restricted from using a computer because they had become as intricate in Americans’ ability to communicate as the telephone had. Facebook needs to back away from it’s hard judge all policy and investigate complaints instead of pandering to uneducated hyperbole for the sake of political correct idiots.

    Can anyone tell me where to find this Supreme Court ruling?

  12. There was a song that came out in the Sixties called Silence is Golden and were the phrase came from I don’t know but all of us on here can’t sit around and its time to stand up… I wrote a commit on Derek’s post in Tales and I think its appropriate to share with you all on here…………………

    I have to agree with Derek up there and I also have to agree with you all as well but all this is a form of unjust justice. The sex registry is composed of many different people from the lesser to the greater of two evils. While I have personally talked to Derek on the phone it seems that everybody that want to fight this thing are going in entirely different directions.
    All of this boils down to control to put it bluntly
    Sure I hate the sex registry and I also hate a sinner and believe it or not we are all sinners even the one’s in authority are sinners (wait maybe I should not say that as that may be considered out of character)
    Do we all wrestle with flesh and blood? or do we as humans sort things out and correct when people need correcting ?
    Does one give the sex offender a life sentence on the registry? Is there any redemption in that?
    Now I have given everyone on here food for thought and I hope the RSOL, Woman against Registry and others that are advocates against the sex registry read this and yes sin is sin. Render to Cesar what is Cesar but to God what is Gods…. or are we allowed to say God in public forms anymore.
    This whole issue is not only a wake up call for the sex offender on the registry but for all Christians to stand up weather weak or strong. Churches can climb aboard if they would like.